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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Thu May 24, 2007 11:51 am

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Okay, part of that was so people would believe me. Realistically if I claim when I'm about to be hammered it is much more likely to be scrutinized.

Bob, I still don't buy it. If you didn't know how many votes would be in play, why would you risk giving all your votes to Draygn? That seems kind of, well, naive.

I see, but realistically you should distribute votes to the people who you think would be most helpful in scum hunting, no? Giving scum all the votes just to see if they're scum could easily lead to a mislynch and doesn't always work.

You draw conclusions from other players by watching them use their votes. Bob, there are two lynches per day. I think that's much more valuable than vote distribution.

Also, that would have been more plausible later, now that we know the amount of votes in the game. But I though 4 votes was a lot when Night 0 started, and I didn't want to risk giving one person that much power.

(Well, at least we're out of random voting now, LOL!)
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Thu May 24, 2007 12:52 pm

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beanbagboy wrote:Okay, part of that was so people would believe me. Realistically if I claim when I'm about to be hammered it is much more likely to be scrutinized.
So, you claim i early because you want people to be more likely to believe the lie? Because that's how this sentance reads to me.
Bob, I still don't buy it. If you didn't know how many votes would be in play, why would you risk giving all your votes to Draygn? That seems kind of, well, naive.

I see, but realistically you should distribute votes to the people who you think would be most helpful in scum hunting, no? Giving scum all the votes just to see if they're scum could easily lead to a mislynch and doesn't always work.
The very first sentance of Coppelia's reasoning mentioned picking wh oto give the votes to due to talent and experience; which would be quite useful in scumhunting, then continues with the qualifier that the results of doing that would give some insight. Not my reasoning either when I distributed my votes, but it makes some sense to me.
You draw conclusions from other players by watching them use their votes. Bob, there are two lynches per day. I think that's much more valuable than vote distribution.

Also, that would have been more plausible later, now that we know the amount of votes in the game. But I though 4 votes was a lot when Night 0 started, and I didn't want to risk giving one person that much power.

(Well, at least we're out of random voting now, LOL!)
You knew how many votes were in the game when you claimed, and that the four weren't particularly significant. In fact, I'm thinking you thought it was significant initially because you have fewer to distribute, and no other reason.

But we are out of random voting. And I don't believe the cop claim.

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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Thu May 24, 2007 1:32 pm

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The plot thickens..

lol.
But yea, we're out of random voting stage,
Unvote All



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Unvote(7): Johhan
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can we have a vote count please?
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Thu May 24, 2007 3:05 pm

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VanDamien wrote: Yes, I'm one of the vote takers. I suspect Adele is the other, having taken the ten against, because I should have taken all 22. If I'm right about that, then both takers are townie I believe, obviously the power my ability gives the town is great, and Adele's (if I have it pegged right) makes her more or less unlynchable, with correct timing.
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I find it hard to understand how you can know anything about someone who hasn't posted unless you know something outside this thread, and I'm not sure why a townie vote stealer would want to target omegas for anything.

If you were a mafia vote stealer, though, you'd know how many points he had- and you imply you know he had 22 in your post. And you'd also know if he was town, so not have to worry about whether or not you're stealing from a fellow townie.
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Thu May 24, 2007 3:21 pm

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I'm not positive, but logically, it makes sense, try and follow:

1. I know I should have taken
all
of the votes, that's what I can do.
2. I didn't, someone else got ten before I took the balance.
3. Omegas had ten votes on Adele
4. Ten votes is what I didn't get.
5. A role that takes the votes against them makes sense to be included.
johhan wrote:If you were a mafia vote stealer, though, you'd know how many points he had- and you imply you know he had 22 in your post. And you'd also know if he was town, so not have to worry about whether or not you're stealing from a fellow townie.
I know the exact number because:
[quote="M-M]Out of nowhere OmegasGiev sees that he has lost 10 votes! All his current votes are now reset to unvoted status.

Then out of nowhere again OmegasGiev sees that he has lost another 12 votes! All his current votes are now reset to unvoted status. [/quote]

Equals 22. I know it was a big number because:
OmegasGiev wrote:10 is less than half, I'll tell you that.
12 players, 76 votes. Average of 6 1/3 each. If most distributed their allotment somewhat randomly, more than twenty seems slightyl suspicious to me, and I'd rather have those in the hands of someone I know for sure to be pro-town(me).
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Fri May 25, 2007 6:08 am

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So you can take
all
the votes? cool... hoping you're on our side.
unFoS: VD


And I'd like to actually hear from Adele, actually... are they being replaced?
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Fri May 25, 2007 7:38 am

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Actually, I don't think you were meant to get all 22. You see, I got 12 votes from people, and 10 from my role. I have a vote role that allows me to collect 1 vote for each person that has more than 2 votes. This gives me reason to believe that 2 people have exactly 2 votes (I don't see people having only 1 vote)
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Fri May 25, 2007 8:13 am

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unvote: (1) Posion Ivy
unvote (1): OmegasGiev


Omegas, that might not prevent VD from taking all your votes. He doesn't say that his role only takes votes that were given to a certain character. If his role is to take all the votes from a character, regardless of how they got them, he still should have gotten all. I think his Adele theory is an interesting one, and plausible. Your explanation makes me feel slightly better about you, however- although 12 may still be a lot, it's a lot more understandable to me than 22.

Can we get a
prod
on Adele? Actually, I think there's more people than that who've only posted once or twice.
BBB wrote:Giving scum all the votes just to see if they're scum could easily lead to a mislynch and doesn't always work.

You draw conclusions from other players by watching them use their votes.
I don't understand the first sentence at all. A) How would I know was scum and B) If I did, why would I need to give them my votes? In any case, that is not what I said. You've actually stated what I said your very next sentence- I wanted to draw conclusions from players by watching how they used thier votes. Distributing them out, one by one, would make it next to impossible for me to judge how many votes that person had. Giving all my votes to one ensured that I knew that person had at least some power. I did realize I had no real way of knowing if four votes might be a significant amount, I felt safe giving away four to one person due to the amount of people in the game. Assuming we all had one vote, four alone would not be enough to create some all powerful vote god.
Realistically if I claim when I'm about to be hammered it is much more likely to be scrutinized.
You must know a role claim is scrutinized no matter where you do it. The reason people wait until the threat of hammering is that they give away a lot of their power when they roleclaim, as you've done. I'm still not seeing this.
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Fri May 25, 2007 9:12 am

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OmegasGiev wrote:Actually, I don't think you were meant to get all 22. You see, I got 12 votes from people, and 10 from my role. I have a vote role that allows me to collect 1 vote for each person that has more than 2 votes. This gives me reason to believe that 2 people have exactly 2 votes (I don't see people having only 1 vote)
I only got 1 vote, heh.
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Fri May 25, 2007 9:13 am

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and we get yet another early claim... this is weird.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Fri May 25, 2007 10:14 am

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@Omegas: The lie? You seem overly sure that I'm lying.
FOS


Also, I didn't have any reason to fake claim now, if Bob had denied the information then I would have been LaL'd. Also, why would I claim if I had found that out as scum?

@Bob: I'm saying giving someone votes to see if they're scum, is, IMO, a bad, bad, choice. Giving someone power to see if they abuse it is quite dangerous as it could very definitely lead to them taking control of the game. True, you might find out who the scum were (But it wouldn't be certain, either) but you'd probably be dead by the time they had revealed themselves. Also, if we're going by "experience is better" then you should surely realize that giving your votes to Dragyn wouldn't be very effective as he probably would have enough experience to fool us.
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Sat May 26, 2007 9:39 am

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mod?
I know you've been away for a few days, but when you get back, could you prod Adele if you haven't already?
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Sat May 26, 2007 10:55 am

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beanbagboy wrote:@Omegas: The lie? You seem overly sure that I'm lying.
FOS
I didn't understand your claim, and it came from nowhere with nothing to explain why you said it. I posted mine to post why the votes might have been split.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Sat May 26, 2007 5:47 pm

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Holy crap. I lose internet connection for a couple days and the thread goes to hell in a handbasket.

@beanbag- wow. you outed yourself over someone giving someone else all their votes? I've never played a game with you before, but that led me to thinking that either a- you're a newb or b- you are scum trying some clever plan.

I'm not usually one to speculate, but I know I gave all my votes to Adele for exactly the same reasons that cop claims to have given me all hers. I know Adele is an extremely good player and wanted to find out what she would do with my votes. Considering she is also one of if not THE only person here i've ever played with, I had to go with my gut.

I'm torn on the issue of beanbag though. His claim of being cop while correctly giving cop's vote passing and recieving makes him pretty much unlynchable today unless we have someone else who wants to claim cop (please don't). He is also slinging some serious craplogic though. Unless I read the rules wrong, you get to regive your votes every night, so giving one person a large block of votes would not let them run away with the game. In fact, on day one, that would be the town's best play. If they give their votes to a scum, the scum will have to work hard to come up with a case against a townie or risk getting vigged that night. I'll say this much though, Cop wasn't the only one who trusted me.

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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Sun May 27, 2007 7:00 am

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Just saying this right now. Mind you all I am only half way finished with day 4, but beanbag, your reasoning for voting Coppelia is complete bullshit. I did the same thing except replace dragyn_mage with Adele, and four votes with two. Actually a little disappointed that Adele has not posted yet, but if you have small amount of votes to give away, like my two and Coppelia's four, I don't find it much of a problem to give it all to one player.
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Sun May 27, 2007 7:07 am

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Yeah, I don't believe beanbags claim, but the fact that he can be cop makes this lynch so much harder. Even if his claim is true and it is cop, it does not incriminate Coppelia. So I'll place one more vote on beanbag and leave one on Omegas.

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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Sun May 27, 2007 9:30 am

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Sorry for my recent absense, a vote count is coming up shortly.
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Sun May 27, 2007 9:38 am

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It is time for the second vote count of the day!

25 - beanbagboy [DragonsofSummer(3), VanDamien(17), draygn_mage(4), scotmany12(1)]
6 - Coppélia[beanbagboy(2), draygn_mage(4)]

3 - OmegasGiev [scotmany12(1), Paradoxombie(2)]
1 - DragonsofSummer[beanbagboy(1)]

Not Voting: Adele, johhan, OmegasGiev, Poison Ivy, yeahthatguy224, Coppélia

Remember with 76 votes at large it will take 39 votes to lynch!
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Sun May 27, 2007 9:40 am

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Adele and Poison Ivy have been the most inactive thus far and have not picked up any PMs, if they do not post in the next 48 hours I will start searching for replacements.
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Sun May 27, 2007 2:35 pm

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Okay. Sheesh, I try to assert myself once and this happens. Well, now I know not to ever make a decision again... :roll:

I thought I saw a chance to out two scum. It looked suspicious to me, and I thought Bob would have more sense. Call that naive.

If and when I die, look into them. I don't think Bob would be that... well, I think it was a stupid choice. I've played with her before and normally she is very experienced.

This teaches me to make an effort... probably will take five more games before I get to be a power role...
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Sun May 27, 2007 6:32 pm

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beanbagboy wrote:Okay. Sheesh, I try to assert myself once and this happens. Well, now I know not to ever make a decision again... :roll:
Appealing to emotion.
I thought I saw a chance to out two scum. It looked suspicious to me, and I thought Bob would have more sense. Call that naive.
You saw a chance to identify 2 people you were suspicious of, instead of waiting to verify your suspicions for sure tonight and tommorow night.
This teaches me to make an effort... probably will take five more games before I get to be a power role...
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2007 2:27 am

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It's not a friggin logical fallacy. I'm frustrated and I'm trying to vent. Honestly. And this isn't one either, stop misinterpreting my posts.

If you thought you had found two scum, and everyone bit your head off about it, wouldn't you get angry?

I thought giving all your votes to someone who's alignment you didn't know when you didn't know how many votes were even in the game was pretty stupid. Call me crazy for thinking Bob had more brains.

(and how much will I bet that he's going to quote half of this as an appeal to emotion...)
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2007 5:05 am

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Beanbag, I don't see how you find that scummy. For starters, its four votes out of what, like 79. I gave my only 2 votes to Adele for basically the same reason. They are experienced players. I she nothing wrong with her giving her 4 votes to dragyn. Dragyn has also said that he gave all of his votes to Adele. So are all three of us scummy or just Dragyn and Cop?
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2007 7:03 am

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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2007 7:03 am

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Crap

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