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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:28 am

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BlueBloodedToffee wrote:This feels like grasping at straws and I don't like it. Are you seriously suggesting that Monkey thought it was possible that Jester would be quick-lynched because of his trolling?

Because, if you're not suggesting that, I fail to see the scum motivation behind what Monkey did.

it's not about whether someone will get lynched or not, it's about whether he ~actually~ believes what he's saying. he supposedly had a serious reason for me being scum, but then decided "lol nope I'll RVS instead", which doesn't make sense from a town POV. the scum motivation here is that he's trying to keep his vote on what he perceives as the least objectionable target. do you disagree?

what is your opinion on the Ghostlin x Kise shitstorm that's going on right now? it looks like you're reading both of them as scum and have not yet commented on it.

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pieguyn wrote:also Ank's Ghost/Kise reads are like backwards from mine. I think Ghostlin is prob town and am not liking Kise. more on this later once I get back home


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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:31 am

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pieguyn wrote:
it's not about whether someone will get lynched or not, it's about whether he ~actually~ believes what he's saying. he supposedly had a serious reason for me being scum, but then decided "lol nope I'll RVS instead", which doesn't make sense from a town POV. the scum motivation here is that he's trying to keep his vote on what he perceives as the least objectionable target. do you disagree?

what is your opinion on the Ghostlin x Kise shitstorm that's going on right now? it looks like you're reading both of them as scum and have not yet commented on it.

Well, I mean, is he supposed to sit on you guys for the whole of D1 then? I can kind of see where you're coming from but it just feels like you're reaching here, I think changing his vote in that manner is unlikely to come from scum due to the attention it would gain.

Correct, I am leaning scum on both and this is causing a problem because it doesn't feel like scum theatre to me. Should be able to develop reads a little better after engaging with them.
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:39 am

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why hydra then?

@BBT, I'm not being cheeky scum but anything is possible in these games. I would never disregard a possibility like Ghost & me being buddies.

unvote; vote: Ghostlin


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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:41 am

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Kise wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:Ghostlin, MonkeyMan & myself.

Gamora is the only townie in that block.

I don't know what this means. Can you elaborate Kise?
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:42 am

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Kise wrote:
@BBT, I'm not being cheeky scum but anything is possible in these games. I would never disregard a possibility like Ghost & me being buddies.

It hasn't been disregarded, not even close. It just doesn't feel like it is right now.
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:45 am

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BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Hate this line. Doesn't sit well with me at all.

Hate is too strong a word. You might like that I play chaotic to avoid having a meta case made against me. I get nullread a bit, so believe me when I say I'm willing to risk a townread.

If that doesn't do it for you, can you explain why you think my line is scummy?

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Kise wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:Ghostlin, MonkeyMan & myself.

Gamora is the only townie in that block.

I don't know what this means. Can you elaborate Kise?

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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:45 am

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or Ghost or Monkey
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:48 am

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Kise wrote:
Hate is too strong a word. You might like that I play chaotic to avoid having a meta case made against me. I get nullread a bit, so believe me when I say I'm willing to risk a townread.

If that doesn't do it for you, can you explain why you think my line is scummy?

Yeah, I don't care much for meta so a meta case wouldn't get any attention from me anyway.

It's just one of those lines that feels like it would come from scum. I think it's the wording of it. 'Willing to risk', why is it a risk to be town-read?

Unless this ties in with your previous statement about being null-read a lot.

Do you pride yourself on people not being able to get a read on you using meta?
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:50 am

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but neighbors are usually on the same team, right?
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:52 am

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Wrong.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:54 am

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Ghostlin wrote:
Walpurgisnacht wrote:gut-scum on monkeyman's entrance, namely the way he went about voting us.


You're right he's scum, but this isn't why...

I make it no secret I hate self-votes, and fucking loathe RVS more. And I abhor 'cute' stunts like the Jester's post before last unvote; however, Monkey stinks of opportunism.

He literally jumps on the wagon to vote
you
('you' being the hydra, not the individual parts), and then when the Jester cracks his self-vote joke, he jumps on them. Think about that for a minute. He jumps off someone who self-voted in RVS onto someone who was trying to be cute (or parodying. I wonder if Jester is one of those players who enjoys being the VI. Whatever floats your boat, I guess.).

If Monkey believed you were possibly scum for disliking self-voting, sincerely believed it, he would keep his vote on
you,
and not move it to Jester (who, at their worst is just trolling the game). He doesn't. He's just looking for easy targets, and VI/game trolling is pretty darn easy.

Unvote.
Vote: Monkey


How am I supposed to sincerely believe anything early in day 1? I just vote for who I think is the scummiest, and that can change from minute to minute, especially this early. Changing your vote is not scummy behavior.
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:55 am

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BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Wrong.


Well, that's good to know. I don't think I've played a game with neighbors on different teams.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:57 am

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Pride is the deadliest sin, no. What I mean is I'm willing to risk not being townread because of something abnormal I did or said.

pedit: masons are confirmed town to each other. Neighbors are unconfirmed and simply have private communication and must either trust or scumhunt each other.

Someone else mentioned we have flavor names to our QTs. If this is based on the movie and not the comic, then I know a lil something something. The villains would/should be Korath, Ronan, Nebula, and (least likely) Thanos. Don't wanna spoil the movie but Ronan & Nebula have ties to Gamora, but she goes good and joins the guardians.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:07 am

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Wouldn't the role pm pictures lend the roles to being movie vs. comic?
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:16 am

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MonkeyMan576 wrote:
Unvote:
Vote: Jester


I'm going with the theory that the mafia will be less likely to claim neighbors, also the self vote. 1+1=2

Actually, 1+1=3, obviously.

Besides, how does self voting make me scum?
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:35 am

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Ghostlin wrote:EBWOP: And admittedly, it's not even bugged by that much; it may be chalked up to a difference in philosphy.
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Are you stating your not aligned to town with the bolded?

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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:38 am

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BlueBloodedToffee wrote:This feels like grasping at straws and I don't like it. Are you seriously suggesting that Monkey thought it was possible that Jester would be quick-lynched because of his trolling?

Because, if you're not suggesting that, I fail to see the scum motivation behind what Monkey did.


No, I'm saying that Monkey went from Wal for double voting, to Jester for double voting, and if he actually believed double voting was scummy, why didn't he stay on Wal versus moving over to the obvious VI attention that Jester was providing? I never said quick lynch, and it's really fucking hard to quick lynch anyone on Day 1. It happens only if Town, collectively, is sitting around with fingers up their ass.

To put it another way: why would you vote a VI for being a VI when you're on someone who you accused of the same thing and already have a vote on? Plus the whole 'double posting' thing Kise pointed out eariler. If you have two reasons to vote for Person A, why the fuck would you move your vote to Person B?

I'm calling him out on his lack of sincerity in convictions; what someone who used to be here would call 'cognitive dissonance'. I'd call it talking 'out of his mouth and ass at the same time with his vote', but I don't know how close to violating the 'be nice' rule I'm skating there.

I'm more curious why you pulled the conclusion I was afraid of quick-lynching Jester out of your ass. Was that really the first conclusion you came to reading that post?
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:40 am

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ika wrote:
Ghostlin wrote:EBWOP: And admittedly, it's not even bugged by that much; it may be chalked up to a difference in philosphy.
When I'm town
, I believe there's no point in being coy and going somewhat balls to the wall with the bullshit nuts and bolts of scum hunting, so much so that I don't see the point in pretending to even be subtle.


Are you stating your not aligned to town with the bolded?

vote ghostlin


...Um, no. I'm pretty sure I'm that particularly disappointing flavor of town you get when you hope you get anyone else than the character you got.

Do
you
not have different goals when you're Town/Scum, and that you're play style chances from one to another?
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:44 am

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Please lynch Monkey, his assertions are ridiculous.
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:56 am

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MonkeyMan576 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but neighbors are usually on the same team, right?


Nope.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=28572

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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:57 am

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Ghostlin wrote:
I'm more curious why you pulled the conclusion I was afraid of quick-lynching Jester out of your ass. Was that really the first conclusion you came to reading that post?

Not sure whether you're intentionally misrepping me so I'm going to give you the opportunity to show me how you came to the conclusion that I thought you was afraid of quick-lynching Jester.
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:58 am

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The_Trolling_Jester wrote:
MonkeyMan576 wrote:
Unvote:
Vote: Jester


I'm going with the theory that the mafia will be less likely to claim neighbors, also the self vote. 1+1=2

Actually, 1+1=3, obviously.

Besides, how does self voting make me scum?


Because it brings you one vote closer to being lynched, and if you are town, lynching a townie is not good for the town.
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:00 am

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Albert B. Rampage wrote:Please lynch Monkey, his assertions are ridiculous.


As far as I know, I've only made two assertions, self voting is anti town, and PM role pics are indicative of the comic vs. film nature of the game. I don't see either assertion as rediculous.
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:01 am

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BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
This feels like grasping at straws and I don't like it. Are you seriously suggesting that Monkey thought it was possible that Jester would be quick-lynched because of his trolling?


Because, if you're not suggesting that, I fail to see the scum motivation behind what Monkey did.


Does that answer your question, BBT?
You literally said exactly that.
I didn't fabricate it. I didn't add anything to it (except the bolded emphasis above). This is YOUR post.
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:04 am

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OK, so you either fail at reading, or you are intentionally misrepping me.

I'm asking if you thought Monkey switched his vote in the hopes of getting a quick-lynch on Jester for his trolling.

Like, nowhere do I say anything about you 'being scared' of Jester getting lynched. I'm asking you for the
motivation
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