Newbie 1700 - GAME OVER

[Hoppic]

Yeah I do still consider him. I'm considering everyone.

[Ghostwheel]

Due to the nature of this game the best strategy for finding mafia is the one the mafia don't expect.

Why choose a favorite color of orange? Didn't you know that like nothing rhymes with orange, nothing rhymes with mafia?

Do you think the pressure on thatguy is deserved? Is the small amount of discussion he started over Karnos worth more than his lack of an RVS vote?

If you are having trouble scumhunting, you can always support posts you agree with, as long as you offer your own perspective on why you agree.

[Rob14]

Vote Count #1.3:

thatguy:

karnos, cytheflyguy, BTD6_maker (3)

Huntress:

RadiantCowbells, Ghostwheel (2)

Ghostwheel:

Huntress, tojam2 (2)

cytheflyguy:

Hoppic (1)

Not Voting:

thatguy

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

V/LA:

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-05-03 19:00:00)

[Huntress]

Sorry I haven't been able to look at this today. I'll catch up tomorrow.

[Hoppic]

Due to the nature of this game the best strategy for finding mafia is the one the mafia don't expect.

Why choose a favorite color of orange? Didn't you know that like nothing rhymes with orange, nothing rhymes with mafia?

Do you think the pressure on thatguy is deserved? Is the small amount of discussion he started over Karnos worth more than his lack of an RVS vote?

If you are having trouble scumhunting, you can always support posts you agree with, as long as you offer your own perspective on why you agree.

Rafia, a dumb blorange, found an orange sporange at the top of Mt Blorenge.

I'm not sure what you mean by deserved? Everything should be considered, and it's difficult to read people when you don't know them well.

[Hoppic]

I mean, I'm gonna stick to my vote too, mainly because there's no one else to go for xD

What do you mean by no one else to go for? There's seven other people to go for.

[Hoppic]

Karnos is now a nulltell of mine. I'm not sure of the reasoning behind the Ghostwheel wagon; if anything, he's a weak townread of mine. I don't get the cytheflyguy wagon, as it's clear that any bad play or mistakes are because he's new, not because he's scum. I also can't see the Huntress wagon. Could someone please explain their reads? I'm not sure who to vote of in this case as I have no actual scumreads. It's clear that the Karnos wagon has collapsed and my vote is not doing much on it so UNVOTE: Karnos. I'll vote when I think someone has a scumread.

In fact, if anyone has reads on me, please give them, provided you can explain the reasons. I'm wondering why no one is reading me. Do people generally only read the wagons?

VOTE: vote BTD6_maker

Why do you want to know if anyone has reads on you? I think that if you were town, you would just assume that people could see that about you.

The other thing that seems strange is your certainty: "it's clear that any bad play or mistakes are because he's new". I don't think a townie could be so sure of that.

[cytheflyguy]

I mean, I'm gonna stick to my vote too, mainly because there's no one else to go for xD

What do you mean by no one else to go for? There's seven other people to go for.

I mean in a statistical sense. It's like wakamole...a messed up game of wakamole, but wakamole nevertheless. If you're trying to hit all of the bad ones, shouldn't you try to hit the ones that stand out the most? Idk if that made sense, but what I mean is that yes there is 7 other people, but he seems the most sus, by process of elimination.

[thatguy]

Spoiler:

To be honest I got really triggered when BTD made the comment about lynching our most helpful player, I just saw that that wasn't going anywhere but nonalignment indicative drivel where people discuss to what extent the IC was helpful, or an RVS was intended to get someone lynched, or BTD's vote meant anything, and I really did not want to go through that. Eventually we'd be "out" of RVS, but over stuff that would be concluded to not actually mean anything. This is also the tone meant to be conveyed in the word apparently.

Liking Guy's entry into the game except for the color choice (Gray being the color of the suits the Mafia wear and all), and curious what RC has to say about that post.

On the subject of thatguy, he has a cool avatar. Can the people without avatars choose something so it's easier to differentiate them?

Mafia wear flamboyant gay pride suits. I should know. :^)

Avis would be wonderful, by the by.

Spoiler:

If we're going by that logic (of watching out for the quiet ones), then thatguy would be the most sus (susp? suspicious? Idk some of your lingo besides what I read on the wiki), as he is (to my knowledge) the only person that has not cast a vote.

I think you make a great point.

VOTE: thatguy

As a townie, your vote is your only power, why aren't you using it? Are you actually scum?

Not that I am convinced he is a bad guy... I just want to see some more discussion, a vote from him preferably. Besides, I was already planning to change my vote to

someone

.

He townplugs unnecessarily in the questionnaire responses. He has somewhat of an appeaser mentality when responding to questions. The RVS logic could stem from a newer mindset, but almost seems like scum setting themselves up early to dismiss low-velocity pressure vote wagons. Out of near everything I've read on these two surprisingly productive last two pages, Karnos pings me the most, Ghost a bit. Nothing else in particular thus far.

Interesting. So if I was less pro-town, maybe if I sounded more like scum, then you would read me as a town player?

I think a lot of that "appeaser" tone to my post comes from the fact that I am a newbie, this is my second game.

I'm not super sure about how people play on these boards,

so I am just spelling everything out in detail rather than being terse and abrupt. In my (brief) experience playing here, I've noticed scum are often the quiet players who post the minimum amount to keep suspicion off, without trying to draw attention to themselves.

Oh, Karnos, nice and feisty and resilient. You do realize that emojis don't dismiss points though. That's a scumtell. :^)

Do you have prior experience with forum mafia outside of this board, out of curiosity?

Hey Cy-- "He seems the most sus". Due to my vote, or rather lack thereof, or my scarcity of posts so far, or the content in them?

Who said my vote was my only power? I think that would fall to my lack of a vote. For some reason, you (Cy, Karnos, BTD) see that as a threat, otherwise such a trivial reason won't merit it a vote. As far as I gander, the wagon on me has reached L-2 simply because I'm not voting, correct? I'm not losing anything in translation there?

[karnos]

I can't speak for others, but I voted you because you haven't voted, and everyone else has. You make a good point, there are town power roles in this game, so voting may not be your only power, but it's the only one that matters during the day. Voting is typically the only way town wins, power roles can't carry the game alone. Basically everyone else around the table has offered at least one vote. It's a metric, seeing who votes for who, and someone who refuses to participate in the process looks to be trying to hide something.

I've played a lot of mafia (or werewolf variants) on another forum, but the games over there are.... different. Usually each game day is about 24 hours of real life time, so the pace is quicker, the conversations between lynches shorter, and less carefully played. They were fun, but this is a different sort of fun here.

[thatguy]

How does me not talking about voting to this point make me seem like reticent scum?

[BTD6_maker]

Karnos is now a nulltell of mine. I'm not sure of the reasoning behind the Ghostwheel wagon; if anything, he's a weak townread of mine. I don't get the cytheflyguy wagon, as it's clear that any bad play or mistakes are because he's new, not because he's scum. I also can't see the Huntress wagon. Could someone please explain their reads? I'm not sure who to vote of in this case as I have no actual scumreads. It's clear that the Karnos wagon has collapsed and my vote is not doing much on it so UNVOTE: Karnos. I'll vote when I think someone has a scumread.

In fact, if anyone has reads on me, please give them, provided you can explain the reasons. I'm wondering why no one is reading me. Do people generally only read the wagons?

VOTE: vote BTD6_maker

Why do you want to know if anyone has reads on you? I think that if you were town, you would just assume that people could see that about you.

The other thing that seems strange is your certainty: "it's clear that any bad play or mistakes are because he's new". I don't think a townie could be so sure of that.

I just want to know what people are thinking in general. Take all the players anyone had ever got scumreads on. Karnos, Ghostwheel, Huntress, Cytheflyguy, now me. There are at most 2 scum among them. That means people have scumread at least 3 town. Without generating more discussion, there is no way to tell which ones are genuine. Being town doesn't mean that I can assume people will know I'm town. I know I'm town, but town doesn't. Likewise, you may know you're town, but town doesn't.

Also, it would seem that the mistakes he made (such as not knowing the deadline) could be made regardless of whether he is town or scum if he's a newbie. Not all newbies make those mistakes, but some do, and knowing the deadline has very little to do with being scum.

[Hoppic]

Not knowing the deadline isn't a mistake. It's a question and he chose to ask the question rather than read the instructions, which is not a mistake. I just think that it would be more typical for newbs to read the instructions. Mafia have to look active so it could be a be-active question. Or a genuine question. There's no way of knowing, right?

[Hoppic]

What other mistakes did he make?

[BTD6_maker]

Not knowing the deadline isn't a mistake. It's a question and he chose to ask the question rather than read the instructions, which is not a mistake. I just think that it would be more typical for newbs to read the instructions. Mafia have to look active so it could be a be-active question. Or a genuine question. There's no way of knowing, right?

So with Mafia versus Town of Salem, is there a time limit to a day's length (maybe I

misread

it idk) or does it end only when there are enough votes for something.

He did read it. However, he was asking in order to clarify. Again, a newbie may do that regardless of alignment.
The other thing you picked up on was his defensiveness. This may be because as a newbie he thinks he needs to reinforce it in order to get town to accept it. It's probably bad play but in my opinion it's unlikely to be a scumtell.

Also, beyond asking for reads in order to generate discussion and my comments on Cytheflyguy, do you have any other reasons for your scumtell on me?

[Hoppic]

Just your certainty seems strange, as I said.

[Ghostwheel]

Yo Hoppic it's not strange to read someone clearly acting noobish as a noob (which is Not Alignment Indicative). It's also not strange to ask for rules clarifications. Newbies shouldn't be treated like porcelain, they can be scumread as much as the next guy, but if you want them to talk instead of becoming scared to post their own opinions you can't just rail on someone for wanting rules clarifications. It's a cheap shot.

What I meant when I asked if thatguy deserved pressure is whether you agreed with the people voting him or thought that pursuing this line would be useful. In my opinion thatguy could stand to get a vote out in the near future but the fact that so many people thought that that was what was worth pursuing troubles me.

Thatguy insinuates karnos is scum without voting and two people immediately jump on that wagon with a third wanting to without voting? What's worse behavior here? Huntress says I'm an extremely weak scumread and two more jump on mine with even less reasoning (I didn't like Huntress's case but at least she had one, that's why I think my vote may go somewhere.)

I said earlier that I was ignoring the wagon jumpy behavior and indeed there's so much of it that some of it has to come from town but I'll be looking more closely at it now. It seems like a lot of people are looking for someone to vote for as opposed to actively figure out the game. You press thatguy for not voting in his first post? What could he say in that situation that would make you scumread him? I can get scum motivation for laying low for a while but in the first post? Really jumpy.

[Hoppic]

I didn't mean to rail on anyone. I thought that you were just supposed to talk about what you notice. This is my first time on this site, so I've obviously got the tone here wrong. On the other site where I played, you just put pressure on people and there was nothing off limits. So my apologies. I didn't mean it to be a cheap shot...I don't really see how it was, actually, but a couple of people have told me off now, so... yeah.

I didn't press thatguy for not voting. I think you might be mixing me up with someone else, or maybe you meant the general you. Anyway...

[Hoppic]

Ugh.

[Ghostwheel]

Yeah that last paragraph was the general you. You can also feel free to press people on anything, but I'll also feel free to voice what I disagree with. I'm no expert on the tone here either and I am not perfect. Maybe I'm wrong to disagree, maybe I'm wrong about my philosophy on how to handle newbies. If so, challenge that.

[karnos]

How does me not talking about voting to this point make me seem like reticent scum?

It doesn't.

On a scale of 1-99, 1 being town and 99 being scum, you might be a 15. It just so happens that the other players are all numbers less than 15. Based on the information I have currently, I prefer my vote to be on you out of all the players.

Voting is not rocket science. You earlier said that you thought I was scummy, if you still feel the same way and nobody else has stood out to you, why don't you just vote for me? Or if you have changed your mind, for whatever reason, then why not vote for the player you think is most likely scum?

[cytheflyguy]

How does me not talking about voting to this point make me seem like reticent scum?

It doesn't.

On a scale of 1-99, 1 being town and 99 being scum, you might be a 15. It just so happens that the other players are all numbers less than 15. Based on the information I have currently, I prefer my vote to be on you out of all the players.

Voting is not rocket science. You earlier said that you thought I was scummy, if you still feel the same way and nobody else has stood out to you, why don't you just vote for me? Or if you have changed your mind, for whatever reason, then why not vote for the player you think is most likely scum?

This is generally how I feel right now with voting for you (thatguy). You seem pretty Town to me, but there isn't much to go on by day 1 xD

[tojam2]

Why RNG your random vote? That makes it literally useless.

You just answered the question (RNG =

Random

Number Generator RVS =

Random

Vote Stage).

As a townie, your vote is your only power, why aren't you using it? Are you actually scum?

Your other power is your influence, which you gain the more naturally you play (consistent towniness).

Not that I am convinced he is a bad guy... I just want to see some more discussion, a vote from him preferably. Besides, I was already planning to change my vote to

someone

.

Don't vote unless you think they're scum (except in RVS) and don't say you're oing it for pressure on someone you think is town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why RNG your random vote? That makes it literally useless.

You just answered the question (RNG =

Random

Number Generator RVS =

Random

Vote Stage).

As a townie, your vote is your only power, why aren't you using it? Are you actually scum?

Your other power is your influence, which you gain the more naturally you play (consistent towniness).

Not that I am convinced he is a bad guy... I just want to see some more discussion, a vote from him preferably. Besides, I was already planning to change my vote to

someone

.

Don't vote unless you think they're scum (except in RVS) and don't say you're oing it for pressure on someone you think is town.

What are your reads?

[tojam2]

The IC is helpful 16 in 18 times (9/9 for game structure, 7/9 for helping town).

what the hell is this?

As in, the IC is always helpful when explaining the game, but in those 2/9 times when he's scum, he won't help newbtown win.

Tojam... can explain your scumread on me.

1. Attacking me not the wagon, if you want town reads you've got to work for it, not question existing scum reads.
2. I said you were null, I just get scum vibes off you (and we all know that vibes means sh*t).

On a side note, RC hasn't been posting much, lurking yet?

Reads:
Ghostwheel - slight scum lean
Karnos - slight scum lean, though I can't remember why (don't play Mafia and work kids, it does your head in).
RC - slight scum lean
Everyone else - between null and slight town lean (waiting on a scumslip).