Open 692 - Two-fold Matrix6 (Game Over)

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

VOTE: davesaz

need the replacement to talk more

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: davesaz

need the replacement to talk more

What would a vote on that accomplish?

[BTD6_maker]

Day 1 VC 3

PMysterious: WhyMafia, Aristophanes, Realeo
Kantrip: Draynth, Rory
oldwino: lane0618, PenguinPower
Aristophanes: PMysterious
Realeo: Kantrip
PenguinPower: oldwino
Judge Joseph Dredd: Raya36
Davesaz: Judge Joseph Dredd

Not Voting: Davesaz

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-07-03 07:30:00)

I will prod Davesaz if they do not post in 48 hours from the time I announced their replacement.

With 13 players, it's 7 to lynch!

[davesaz]

Why did Realeo get worried so easily about being L-3?

[Draynth]

Just gonna wait for Kantrip to reply

[lane0168]

VOTE: oldwino too much talkie

Is this RVS or real shit? Can't tell the difference.

Yes. Yes it is.

I don't know what does yes mean. (Yes RVS or Yes, real shit) but if the latter, wouldn't Aristo is too talky by your definition? Some people are getting serious while he is still in joke mode?

No. I didn't say anything about the seriousness. And aristo had the same amount of posts. Me not calling out aristo should give you reason to believe you don't know my definition. Yet you presume to. Why? Are you trying to make something out of nothing?

[Kantrip]

My safeword is Pamplemousse

That and grenouille are two of my favourite words to say

Wait? Those thing are French? I thought Judge is having an affair with Aristo and those are some kind of safe word.

Anyway. Me gonna say something that will help us exit RVS.

Guys, please stop voting me. It's L-3

Is that the thing?

I'll unvote you if you tell me who I should put my vote on instead.

Hah! I know someone can't refuse to react to my statement. Now we can exit RVS.

If you say

I'll unvote you if you tell me

, are you saying

I'm actually scumreading you, Realeo. The only way I'm not voting you is if someone is scummier

?

I'm tempted to classify that statement as continuation of RVS, but

is that the thing?

implies you are actually serious with your statement.

My vote on you is RVS, I am not scumreading you.

However, I was serious when I said I'd vote someone else if you told me who. I thought that would get some reactions from people and help exit RVS.

The offer still stands, by the way. I'm leaning towards either PMysterious or Draynth, what do you think?

You gonna give reasons for either of these or are you happy enough to just try skate by?

I am not going to give reasons at this time but I'm certainly not happy to just skate by.

Offer me again when BTD replaces Gamma. Too early to cast vote without full team.

You aren't reading.

Oh I thought that was a reference to something else entirely haha

What did you think it was a reference to?

Oh. Gamma already replaced out? Dave replaced in.

Ok, me take the offer.

VOTE: Pymestrious

I like it.

VOTE: PMysterious

I believe that's L-3. Can everyone on this wagon so far confirm that their vote isn't RVS?

[davesaz]

Rory = RoryMK? Guessing yes by the sig...

[PMysterious]

Why did Realeo get worried so easily about being L-3?

This, is all I was wanting to know myself, especially during the RV phase, where a good majority of the votes don't really matter much, unless something is getting really out of hand.

I understand that I probably came off as scummy, as my wording probably wasn't the best, but the wagon itself seems rushed to get a lynch in early. I will not be surprised if at least 2 members of the Mafia and/or Werewolf team are on the wagon as of now.

[PMysterious]

What if he was faking being defensive to get reactions? I feel like starting a statement with "I'm going to say something to help get us out of RVS" makes his intent pretty clear. You think he is scum getting defensive from fear of being lynched and getting out of RVS is just his excuse?

Yes, I am aware he wants to get out of RVS, it's a perfectly clear message, but I just find it odd that he would seem defensive at being L-3, instead of L-2 or L-1, where a hammer draws close.

No one wants to get lynched or night killed in a game of Mafia, but being defensive at L-3 seems a bit off putting to me.

I do not see getting out of RVS as an excuse to be defensive, because once we get out of the RV phase (which we are now), then people will start to take the "stop voting me, I'm at L-3" phrasing rather seriously, like I am.

If he is scum, then he would want to stay in the RV phase for as long as possible, but he wants to get out the RV phase, so that is relatively Town.

If he is town, then being at L-3 in the first few days of the game should not be a big issue, but here, he says for people to stop voting for him, which is a little scummy.

My concern, is that I want to understand the motive for why he wants us to do both of these things. This situation has two conflicting views and only one of them is true.

Does he want people to stop voting him with the possibility that the Mafia and Werewolves could see it as a quick hammer and getting out of the RV phase could help bring in proper discussion, or does he want people to stop voting for him because he is scum, and getting out of the RV phase could help bring discussion away from him?

[Realeo]

No. I didn't say anything about the seriousness. And aristo had the same amount of posts. Me not calling out aristo should give you reason to believe you don't know my definition. Yet you presume to. Why? Are you trying to make something out of nothing?

Yes.

I have learn not to assume when it comes to RVS so I just keep clarifying.

[Realeo]

I will not be surprised if at least 2 members of the Mafia and/or Werewolf team are on the wagon as of now.

Most likely 1.

PMysterious, have you ever heard reaction test?

I think this is going to be my first (not second) serious vote.

VOTE: Aristo

I can't tell if this is scum or he is bound to scratch me the wrong way, me not feeling gud.

[Aristophanes]

I will not be surprised if at least 2 members of the Mafia and/or Werewolf team are on the wagon as of now.

Most likely 1.

PMysterious, have you ever heard reaction test?

I think this is going to be my first (not second) serious vote.

VOTE: Aristo

I can't tell if this is scum or he is bound to scratch me the wrong way, me not feeling gud.

I'll scratch you anywhere you like BB

[Realeo]

That's gross.

[Aristophanes]

That's gross.

Sorry man, prolly too far. I should take th his more seriously, eh?

What is your Mysterio read btw?

[lane0168]

Why did Realeo get worried so easily about being L-3?

This, is all I was wanting to know myself, especially during the RV phase, where a good majority of the votes don't really matter much, unless something is getting really out of hand.

I understand that I probably came off as scummy, as my wording probably wasn't the best, but the wagon itself seems rushed to get a lynch in early. I will not be surprised if at least 2 members of the Mafia and/or Werewolf team are on the wagon as of now.

What if he was faking being defensive to get reactions? I feel like starting a statement with "I'm going to say something to help get us out of RVS" makes his intent pretty clear. You think he is scum getting defensive from fear of being lynched and getting out of RVS is just his excuse?

Yes, I am aware he wants to get out of RVS, it's a perfectly clear message, but I just find it odd that he would seem defensive at being L-3, instead of L-2 or L-1, where a hammer draws close.

No one wants to get lynched or night killed in a game of Mafia, but being defensive at L-3 seems a bit off putting to me.

I do not see getting out of RVS as an excuse to be defensive, because once we get out of the RV phase (which we are now), then people will start to take the "stop voting me, I'm at L-3" phrasing rather seriously, like I am.

If he is scum, then he would want to stay in the RV phase for as long as possible, but he wants to get out the RV phase, so that is relatively Town.

If he is town, then being at L-3 in the first few days of the game should not be a big issue, but here, he says for people to stop voting for him, which is a little scummy.

My concern, is that I want to understand the motive for why he wants us to do both of these things. This situation has two conflicting views and only one of them is true.

Does he want people to stop voting him with the possibility that the Mafia and Werewolves could see it as a quick hammer and getting out of the RV phase could help bring in proper discussion, or does he want people to stop voting for him because he is scum, and getting out of the RV phase could help bring discussion away from him?

Hey pm. You said the wagon itself seems rushed to get a lynch in early. Yet question why someone would get defensive about it. There is a conflict of thought process here...

If in your own head you think it's a push to get an early lynch, then why also in your own head did you question the defensiveness?

[lane0168]

I don't see the logic in questioning the person who you think has scum on his wagon... That doesn't flow

[Realeo]

That's gross.

Sorry man, prolly too far. I should take th his more seriously, eh?

What is your Mysterio read btw?

Considering it as play style clash.

[Raya36]

Did you not see the preceding message

I did, but that's what stood out to me. Trying to get out of the RV phase is fine and dandy (as we need to eventually), but he's at L-3 at the Random Vote phase, and he seems all defensive about it. It's a little weird to me.

Agreed that it seems a bit weird but I honestly think it was town trying to get out of rvs. Scum would probably be more careful than to get defensive over L-3. Besides, I don't have much experience on this site but I doubt quick lynches right out of rvs are that common.

Oh. Gamma already replaced out? Dave replaced in.

Ok, me take the offer.

VOTE: Pymestrious

Reasons for this vote? (Same question for Kantrip)

I do not see getting out of RVS as an excuse to be defensive, because once we get out of the RV phase (which we are now), then people will start to take the "stop voting me, I'm at L-3" phrasing rather seriously, like I am.

Could be looking for reactions by being defensive to help move us out of rvs.

[Rory]

Spoiler:

Wait? Those thing are French? I thought Judge is having an affair with Aristo and those are some kind of safe word.

Anyway. Me gonna say something that will help us exit RVS.

Guys, please stop voting me. It's L-3

Is that the thing?

I'll unvote you if you tell me who I should put my vote on instead.

Hah! I know someone can't refuse to react to my statement. Now we can exit RVS.

If you say

I'll unvote you if you tell me

, are you saying

I'm actually scumreading you, Realeo. The only way I'm not voting you is if someone is scummier

?

I'm tempted to classify that statement as continuation of RVS, but

is that the thing?

implies you are actually serious with your statement.

My vote on you is RVS, I am not scumreading you.

However, I was serious when I said I'd vote someone else if you told me who. I thought that would get some reactions from people and help exit RVS.

The offer still stands, by the way. I'm leaning towards either PMysterious or Draynth, what do you think?

Did you not see the preceding message

I did, but that's what stood out to me. Trying to get out of the RV phase is fine and dandy (as we need to eventually), but he's at L-3 at the Random Vote phase, and he seems all defensive about it. It's a little weird to me.

What if he was faking being defensive to get reactions? I feel like starting a statement with "I'm going to say something to help get us out of RVS" makes his intent pretty clear. You think he is scum getting defensive from fear of being lynched and getting out of RVS is just his excuse?

What's wrong with Draynth?

Kantrip can you answer this please?

[Rory]

Rory = RoryMK? Guessing yes by the sig...

[Rory]

Hah! I know someone can't refuse to react to my statement. Now we can exit RVS.

did those questioning Realeo's motives miss this?

[Kantrip]

I'm not trying to dodge your question Rory I was just hoping Draynth would respond first.

PMysterious, have you considered the possibility that Realeo was faking his defensiveness to get reactions out of people? Also if you don't mind me asking, how many games have you played before? I mean no offense I just want to gauge your stances off of experience.

Draynth, what is your stance on my reply to you? Are you scumreading me?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

VOTE: davesaz

need the replacement to talk more

What would a vote on that accomplish?

just about a little more than your question actually.

[Draynth]

What did you think it was a reference to?

I thought he was referring to a game I recently played in that BTD was also in

I'm not trying to dodge your question Rory I was just hoping Draynth would respond first.

PMysterious, have you considered the possibility that Realeo was faking his defensiveness to get reactions out of people? Also if you don't mind me asking, how many games have you played before? I mean no offense I just want to gauge your stances off of experience.

Draynth, what is your stance on my reply to you? Are you scumreading me?

Somewhat yes. You've been asked for reasoning for your read twice and your response was just 'I'm not giving reasons at this time'