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Well LLD is on my scum list

I'm still wondering if it's just not a stronger play for everyone BUT Merlin to attempt to claim, so that we get a BP in the mix that scum doesn't know exists.
Then if said player is ever gladiated, they can just claim Excalibur-holder, Merlin can confirm and also confirm Arthur exists.
Obviously, this falls apart if Merlin is killed, which is what we need to avoid the hardest.
This setup actually has a ton of low-percentage-chance swing which is really awkward.
Like if scum kill Merlin N1, town is fucked sideways from a role perspective.
Whereas if Arthur gets the sword, town has two ICs, one of which is a Bulletproof Vig.

In post 70, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:

In post 47, Auro wrote:

In post 42, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 39, Auro wrote:Throwing out a thought:
If scum claims Excalibur, they die immediately.
Town can vote on someone to claim Excalibur for the day. ONLY that person claims at night. If they're scum it remains unclaimed, lynch next day. If there's a claim treat them like an IC the next day.

Sure. Give me Excalibur.

Town should probably vote for a consensus scumread to claim Excalibur, for maximum benefit. If they're scum they can't claim and we get a confirmation in the night. If they're not scum and claim we know they're IC -- they're gonna either contribute the next day and kill themselves, or Merlin confirms they're Arthur and we move on.

Yeah, I was thinking that too. Anyone who is scumread can prove they’re town by claiming the sword and attempting to vig another consensus scumread. So then, Merlin shouldn’t claim the sword.

In case we DO have a Merlin claim, we should let them claim, a fakeclaim by scum would mean suicide the next day anyway.

In post 71, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 67, Varsoon wrote:Honestly, we get more value from having a strong town leader claim the sword rather than using it as a jank cop on bad town that no one wants to keep around anyway.

But the issue I realized just now is if I say "I'm taking it" I can just be shot to prevent it.

So we need two powerful town leaders both agreeing "we're taking it" so scum can only shoot one of us.

You and I or Myself and UT or even You and UT I'd be ok with, though I obviously prefer myself.

I volunteer as tribute

In post 46, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 45, Auro wrote:Re: LL and Jay, I think it's better overall to discuss mechanics and find out a good strategy at this stage, instead of starting with the accusations already. *Shrug*

This is scumsided. Early interactions and reads are crucial and giving scum the time to hide behind mechanics talk to provide "content" is allowing them the luxury of coasting early.

FoS

I think we should do both. We do need an optimal strategy and we need to figure out who’s scum, because the two obviously go together. We can’t have an effective strategy without also having decent scumreads.

Also Vigs in a setup this large are kind of anti-town until later in the game in emergency ANYWAY, so............

We shouldn't be worried about Arthur or Merlin too much. Just focus on getting a confirmed town and lynching scummy people.

In post 75, Firebringer wrote:Well LLD is on my scum list

Cool, give me the sword. If I don't take the sword, lynch me tomorrow.

In post 79, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:

In post 46, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 45, Auro wrote:Re: LL and Jay, I think it's better overall to discuss mechanics and find out a good strategy at this stage, instead of starting with the accusations already. *Shrug*

This is scumsided. Early interactions and reads are crucial and giving scum the time to hide behind mechanics talk to provide "content" is allowing them the luxury of coasting early.

FoS

I think we should do both. We do need an optimal strategy and we need to figure out who’s scum, because the two obviously go together. We can’t have an effective strategy without also having decent scumreads.

Obviously some strategy talk is necessary. But it's used as a shield too much.

With no other form of TPR though, the fact of the matter is it means scum should only be Merlin hunting at this point. Which Firebringer was doing.

Lady jumping to follow Unipod and Firebringer shot up on my list.

In post 83, Elsa Jay wrote:With no other form of TPR though, the fact of the matter is it means scum should only be Merlin hunting at this point. Which Firebringer was doing.

Lady jumping to follow Unipod and Firebringer shot up on my list.

"Follow Fire"?

He's calling me scum, so I'm calling his bluff to give me a sword.

"Lady jumped up my scumlist for following Unipod, and Firebringer is also scummy"

So you dont try to twist my words again, Lamb.

if anything I followed LLD?

Word your things better then.

Also you're so fucking scum holy fuck....

In post 87, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Word your things better then.

Also you're so fucking scum holy fuck....

If you really thought that you'd challenge me and accept that your dying today. But you won't. Scummy.

In post 81, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 75, Firebringer wrote:Well LLD is on my scum list

Cool, give me the sword. If I don't take the sword, lynch me tomorrow.

I can’t give u a sword.
Read the setup

In post 64, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:This will never work with players who have such strong egos. I can tell you straight up if you decide to try and make two of my townreads gladiate, I will actively fight to ensure it does not happen, up to and including gladiating my own preferred target.

And your reads are how better than random?
What you're describing IMO would be anti-town. You're saying that *all* "strong ego" players would behave the same?

@Firebringer: Means let him claim for the night and no one else does.

In post 84, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 83, Elsa Jay wrote:With no other form of TPR though, the fact of the matter is it means scum should only be Merlin hunting at this point. Which Firebringer was doing.

Lady jumping to follow Unipod and Firebringer shot up on my list.

"Follow Fire"?

He's calling me scum, so I'm calling his bluff to give me a sword.

What bluff

In post 88, Elsa Jay wrote:

In post 87, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Word your things better then.

Also you're so fucking scum holy fuck....

If you really thought that you'd challenge me and accept that your dying today. But you won't. Scummy.

You're trying to provoke an early duel?
If that happens, I don't think anyone should vote till we actually get somewhere.

In post 90, Auro wrote:

In post 64, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:This will never work with players who have such strong egos. I can tell you straight up if you decide to try and make two of my townreads gladiate, I will actively fight to ensure it does not happen, up to and including gladiating my own preferred target.

And your reads are how better than random?
What you're describing IMO would be anti-town. You're saying that *all* "strong ego" players would behave the same?

@Firebringer: Means let him claim for the night and no one else does.

Makes no sense I can’t control what everyone else does

In post 51, DVa wrote:

In post 47, Auro wrote:Town should probably vote for a consensus scumread to claim Excalibur, for maximum benefit. If they're scum they can't claim and we get a confirmation in the night. If they're not scum and claim we know they're IC -- they're gonna either contribute the next day and kill themselves, or Merlin confirms they're Arthur and we move on.

I agree, if we can get the two top scumreads to gladiate each other, then the winner of the gladiation can claim the sword.

Yeah, that’s a great idea. We lynch the scummier of the two and lesser of the two scumreads either attemps to vig yet another consensus scumread and if there’s only one kill, we make them gladiate the following day and lose and so on and so on and so on, until we kill all but one scum and if the vig is actually successful, then Merlin kind of becomes irrelevant anyway.

In post 92, Auro wrote:

In post 88, Elsa Jay wrote:

In post 87, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Word your things better then.

Also you're so fucking scum holy fuck....

If you really thought that you'd challenge me and accept that your dying today. But you won't. Scummy.

You're trying to provoke an early duel?
If that happens, I don't think anyone should vote till we actually get somewhere.

I dont want it because I want to actually discuss other things, but since I'm calling her scum and she's doing the same thing, I'd assume she'd be the one to challenge me.

Just want her to try and reevaluate her choices ATM.

In post 94, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Yeah, that’s a great idea. We lynch the scummier of the two and lesser of the two scumreads either attemps to vig yet another consensus scumread and if there’s only one kill, we make them gladiate the following day and lose and so on and so on and so on, until we kill all but one scum and if the vig is actually successful, then Merlin kind of becomes irrelevant anyway.

Echoed your sentiment especially wrt the last sentence in an earlier post. Is there some way we can make this strategy better involving Merlin's role?

If we're sorting people already, I'll town you.

@Nancy: The bigger problem apparently is that a chunk of the playerbase will refuse to work with that, starting with LLD herself.

In post 83, Elsa Jay wrote:With no other form of TPR though, the fact of the matter is it means scum should only be Merlin hunting at this point. Which Firebringer was doing.

Lady jumping to follow Unipod and Firebringer shot up on my list.

Yeah, Merlin hunting serves no purpose. Merlin needs to stay hidden until the real Arthur is confirmed by vigging and not dying.

In post 98, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Yeah, Merlin hunting serves no purpose. Merlin needs to stay hidden until the real Arthur is confirmed by vigging and not dying.

Merlin can't prove he is Merlin then though -- how'd you decide? Making him gladiate a counterclaimant?