Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:45 am
Because I see it as scummy also, and I know I'm town, therefore I understand why town might see it as scummy? This day one is going to be insufferable, isn't it?
In post 31, ObviousScum wrote:Time for OBVIOUSCSCUM thoughts
"how to play scum"
maybe play scum by being nice? your goal is to get into the townblock and endgame, right, and it will be easier to do that if people like you. plus the game will be more pleasant for everyone if the scum are nice
"how to play town"
even though I just said scum should try to be nice (i.e. "pocket" townies), I don't think it's healthy for a game if you get too paranoid about every pleasant interaction. it can be hard to fake niceness; hell it can be harder to fake niceness and solving than it can be to fake aggression. plus if everyone is calmer then you will be able to think about the thought processes of players easier
these have been obviouscum thoughts, thank you for your time
Exclusively talking to the mod in a game where people are saying things is a bit scummyIn post 34, Aloratom wrote:Damn. I'm gonna get mod killed Day 1.
don't like this postIn post 42, HoldenGolden wrote:Rather, it feels oddly constructed as if you are scum trying to generate content. The fact that you soft push Monkey for it when nothing has push the game out of RVS is scummy as hell.
I said I wasn't sure about two things so this post is really confusing? what logic do you mean?In post 67, Yooh wrote:By your logic, isn't Monkey scummier than Who22?In post 48, Kirari Momobami wrote:There actually could be scum in holden ll, I just don't know which is scummier between self meta and the push
Hmm, I feel a bit better over the second instance I cited upon rereading. I think I be better able to judge you later after more posts in terms of what happen.In post 54, LuckyLuciano wrote:Lol. I wasn't casting shade on his alignment. Look through my meta and you will see me consistently arguing bad town play and incorrect reads are not alignment indicative. I was being a jerk because I hadn't had my morning coffee yet and was already dealing with obtuse play elsewhere, so I ended up taking it out on Monkey. On that note, I'd like to apologize to Monkey, because nobody has fun in mafia when people are being rude and making ad hominem attacks.In post 46, HoldenGolden wrote:LuckyLuciano wrote:instead of letting a non-voting player come in and decide the leading wagon. Wouldn't the latter be reasonably AI once flips start coming out?Really bad play if you are town to break a 3-way tie in which your are one of the wagons,Is this not a manner of which to discredit and cast doubt on a player? That's the issue I have is the tonal. The first directly casts shade onto HEM alignment. The second is a bit more distant, but is still implying that town!hem should understand and strengths the first shade attempt through making it seem is a logically reasonable point.If you can't see how the new gamestate doesn't lend itself to an AI vote, then good username.
I agree that LYLO is town's best chance. I think that the logic you are using is flawed due to the nature of the stage of the game at the point it happen. I would overlook both if you weren't simultaneously seeemilgy discrediting HEM
You are more than welcome to expand the central idea of this postIn post 78, Kirari Momobami wrote:don't like this postIn post 42, HoldenGolden wrote:Rather, it feels oddly constructed as if you are scum trying to generate content. The fact that you soft push Monkey for it when nothing has push the game out of RVS is scummy as hell.
Fallacies are in the eyes of the beholderIn post 75, LuckyLuciano wrote:Because I see it as scummy also, and I know I'm town, therefore I understand why town might see it as scummy? This day one is going to be insufferable, isn't it?
Side question,In post 36, 3bounty wrote:LL v HEM screams scum vs scum to me. Thoughts?
So what do you think about post #36?In post 73, LuckyLuciano wrote:Not much, since most players didn't actually react to it.
I disagree here. Town can townread - scumread someone with many reasons, with or without agreement the other, regardless their alignment. So, do you scumream Who22 here? What is the reason? In your PoV, have you thought about Kirari as mafia and you have agreement with her?In post 75, LuckyLuciano wrote:Because I see it as scummy also, and I know I'm town, therefore I understand why town might see it as scummy? This day one is going to be insufferable, isn't it?
I'm sure self-meta you talked about is Lucky's, while the push is from Who22's post?In post 79, Kirari Momobami wrote:I said I wasn't sure about two things so this post is really confusing? what logic do you mean?In post 67, Yooh wrote:By your logic, isn't Monkey scummier than Who22?In post 48, Kirari Momobami wrote:There actually could be scum in holden ll, I just don't know which is scummier between self meta and the push
So you're confident she is town? And I still don't get why you or her saw it as scummy. This post didn't answer.In post 75, LuckyLuciano wrote:Because I see it as scummy also, and I know I'm town, therefore I understand why town might see it as scummy? This day one is going to be insufferable, isn't it?
Oh it is just SE duties. My bad. I thought she just want to get "nice score" in there.HoldenGolden wrote:Are you sure you meant to quote 76 Yooh?
I clicked on it expecting to see something but all I saw was SE responsibilities and remark about avis
Seemed like distancing. There was also something thrown in there about how scum would never vote eachother in that scenario, and they were voting eachother.In post 83, HoldenGolden wrote:Side question,In post 36, 3bounty wrote:LL v HEM screams scum vs scum to me. Thoughts?
What gave you the idea that was SVS over something like TvS?
Can you show me in HEM posts during the exchange where you see that?In post 89, 3bounty wrote:In post 83, HoldenGolden wrote:Side question,In post 36, 3bounty wrote:LL v HEM screams scum vs scum to me. Thoughts?
What gave you the idea that was SVS over something like TvS?Seemed like distancing.There was also something thrown in there about how scum would never vote eachother in that scenario, and they were voting eachother.
Nothing has to be a final read? If you are town, Town has little to go off of and your initial comment has provided scum no ways really to lurk super well. In other words, if your town, you succeed in moving the game past RVS.In post 90, LuckyLuciano wrote:I don't understand why I'm not allowed to have gut pings day one and everything has to be a final read, but this day phase illustrates everything I hate about day one so I'm probably going to mostly peace out until day two.
I think that it is harder for scum to have valid points than town, therefore I think making valid points deserves small town cred. The inverse is not true. Players making invalid points aren't scummier in my eyes.
I think town is more likely to miss the fact that their RVS vote was never counted. Their vote was meaningless and without intention, it's not something they really care about. Playing as scum, I think by design, requires more deliberate play. I don't think mafia doesn't realize their vote isn't being counted.In post 91, Yooh wrote:Also, can you tell us the reason why you town read Holden?
I would have thought the push was more from holden?In post 85, Yooh wrote:I'm sure self-meta you talked about is Lucky's, while the push is from Who22's post?In post 79, Kirari Momobami wrote:I said I wasn't sure about two things so this post is really confusing? what logic do you mean?In post 67, Yooh wrote:By your logic, isn't Monkey scummier than Who22?In post 48, Kirari Momobami wrote:There actually could be scum in holden ll, I just don't know which is scummier between self meta and the push
Also, I don't get the point in your post #76 posting here. I don't think we have that heated condition.
RelaxIn post 90, LuckyLuciano wrote:I don't understand why I'm not allowed to have gut pings day one and everything has to be a final read, but this day phase illustrates everything I hate about day one so I'm probably going to mostly peace out until day two.
I feel like thinking 'what if the person reading the game the same way as me is scum' is just about the least efficient way to play day 1In post 84, Yooh wrote:So what do you think about post #36?In post 73, LuckyLuciano wrote:Not much, since most players didn't actually react to it.
I disagree here. Town can townread - scumread someone with many reasons, with or without agreement the other, regardless their alignment. So, do you scumream Who22 here? What is the reason? In your PoV, have you thought about Kirari as mafia and you have agreement with her?In post 75, LuckyLuciano wrote:Because I see it as scummy also, and I know I'm town, therefore I understand why town might see it as scummy? This day one is going to be insufferable, isn't it?
@the first part directed to me.In post 92, HoldenGolden wrote:Can you show me in HEM posts during the exchange where you see that?In post 89, 3bounty wrote:In post 83, HoldenGolden wrote:Side question,In post 36, 3bounty wrote:LL v HEM screams scum vs scum to me. Thoughts?
What gave you the idea that was SVS over something like TvS?Seemed like distancing.There was also something thrown in there about how scum would never vote eachother in that scenario, and they were voting eachother.
To me regardless of TVT, TVS, or SVS, HEM seem to be genuinely confused over what LL was proposing rather than knowing about it ahead of time as some sort of SVS distancing.Nothing has to be a final read? If you are town, Town has little to go off of and your initial comment has provided scum no ways really to lurk super well. In other words, if your town, you succeed in moving the game past RVS.In post 90, LuckyLuciano wrote:I don't understand why I'm not allowed to have gut pings day one and everything has to be a final read, but this day phase illustrates everything I hate about day one so I'm probably going to mostly peace out until day two.
Aka: Town is going to be more skeptical to get more info out of people
Scum has to keep up as well and proposing statements too, even if it isn't super strong.
I sure as hell don't have final reads on anybody, nor expect anybody too. Deadline is quite long, and more abilities to get better reads will come like what I am doing to your slot now.