Mini Normal 2139: No Flavor Allowed - Game Over

Ircher · Post Post #75 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 12:42 pm

Day 1 VC #3

Umlaut (1): valoneast (23)
clidd (1): LuckyLuciano (32)
Hoctac (1): Persivul (24)
Persivul (2): SirCakez (9), Hoctac (10)[/b]
Atarashi Hajimari (0):
LuckyLuciano (3): Umlaut (15), Zulfy (38), Klick (59)
farside22 (0):
Klick (1): farside22 (65)
Not Voting (4): Reundo, Ragman Saul Rima, Atarashi Hajimari, clidd (46)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch a player.

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clidd · Post Post #76 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 12:56 pm

In post 73, Klick wrote:It's not about being reactionary - it's about what Lucky is reacting against.

At this point it has been well-established that clidd's initial claim about Lucky's early play wasn't accurate. Lucky reacted against that.
The question now is, was that reaction from Lucky-town who knows clidd used bad reasoning to come to an incorrect conclusion, or was it from Lucky-scum who knows clidd used bad reasoning to come to a
correct
conclusion?
I believe the evidence makes the latter likely. He's going 'what? this looks just like my town game!' That level of awareness of how you're playing like your town game would definitely come from scum. It wouldn't necessarily happen if one were town. Hence, I think leaves Lucky as >rand scum for the time being.

Hum, I don't think I used bad reasoning to arrive at the inference I used to observe Luciano's attitude. Regarding his reaction, I think there may be an external factor that is damaging his mood about being suspected, which may have caused frustration and temporary detachment from the topic. But, of course, I do not rule out the possibility that he may be scum, but evaluating what we saw in isolation, I believe that we need more resolutive engagement from him with the game before we try to distinguish if, in fact, there was a malicious intention during the period in which he defended himself.

Hoctac · Post Post #77 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 12:57 pm

Umlaut is scummy for trying to again redirect attention back on me for attacking his scum buddy. Decent odds of scum.

clidd is very scummy for saying his concerned pool is 2 main wagons, and ME - which is unacceptable. Likely scum.

clidd · Post Post #78 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 1:06 pm

In post 77, Hoctac wrote:Umlaut is scummy for trying to again redirect attention back on me for attacking his scum buddy. Decent odds of scum.

clidd is very scummy for saying his concerned pool is 2 main wagons, and ME - which is unacceptable. Likely scum.

Are you N_M alt ?

Atarashi Hajimari · Post Post #79 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 1:09 pm

Coming from the perspective of knowing Lucky for years outside of Mafia, his frustration reads to me as null-leaning town. He doesn't reach to insulting people unless theres something outside of the game that's bothering him.

Klick's push seems pretty opportunistic though.

VOTE: klick

Hoctac · Post Post #80 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 1:12 pm

In post 78, clidd wrote:
In post 77, Hoctac wrote:Umlaut is scummy for trying to again redirect attention back on me for attacking his scum buddy. Decent odds of scum.

clidd is very scummy for saying his concerned pool is 2 main wagons, and ME - which is unacceptable. Likely scum.
Are you N_M alt ?

No. I am a Hoctac alt.

Klick · Post Post #81 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 1:26 pm

'Opportunistic' is a fun buzzword, especially early-game. I appreciate the insight on Lucky, though.
VOTE: Umlaut

ISO · Post Post #82 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 1:46 pm

VOTE: lucky
Hate his page 2

Clidd is trying way too hard

clidd · Post Post #83 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 1:53 pm

In post 10, Hoctac wrote:VOTE: Persivul

Happy to bookend this day.

In post 16, Hoctac wrote:Umlaut already trying to derail the quickly growing wagon on his scum buddy.

Page 1 solve: Persivul + Umlaut

In post 31, Hoctac wrote:Persivul is narrow-minded. SCUM is narrow-minded.

In post 62, Hoctac wrote:Defensiveness and frustration isn't an alignment-indicative trait.

Persivul is still a scummy boy.

I still don't understand your tunnel on Persivul. You are forcing a character there.

clidd · Post Post #84 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 1:55 pm

In post 82, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: lucky
Hate his page 2

Clidd is trying way too hard

Actually, I haven't even come close to trying yet lol.

farside22 · Post Post #85 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 1:56 pm

In post 74, clidd wrote:Farside, do you see any features that catch your eye in Persival's scum/town game or does he always play to the same standard ?

Most current game is ongoing. Game before that was 2 years ago. I cant say im a fan of his thought process on hotoc and i dont recall how he felt about that in the past.
I do remember it was a peeve of some plays in the past when player fake claim shit.

In post 77, Hoctac wrote:Umlaut is scummy for trying to again redirect attention back on me for attacking his scum buddy. Decent odds of scum.

clidd is very scummy for saying his concerned pool is 2 main wagons, and ME - which is unacceptable. Likely scum.

You seem really sure about something this early.

In post 82, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: lucky
Hate his page 2

Clidd is trying way too hard

VOTE: cakez

clidd · Post Post #86 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 1:58 pm

I'll follow this for a while:

VOTE: Hoctac

Atarashi Hajimari · Post Post #87 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 2:02 pm

In post 81, Klick wrote:'Opportunistic' is a fun buzzword, especially early-game. I appreciate the insight on Lucky, though.
VOTE: Umlaut

Why umlaut?

ISO · Post Post #88 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 2:10 pm

talk to me farside

ISO · Post Post #89 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 2:10 pm

not crazy about Klick's ISO. three "serious" vote hops already.

clidd · Post Post #90 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 2:11 pm

In post 85, farside22 wrote:
In post 74, clidd wrote:Farside, do you see any features that catch your eye in Persival's scum/town game or does he always play to the same standard ?
Most current game is ongoing. Game before that was 2 years ago. I cant say im a fan of his thought process on hotoc and i dont recall how he felt about that in the past.
I do remember it was a peeve of some plays in the past when player fake claim shit.

Well, it would be more interesting with recent games, but I appreciate the help. I'll take a look at his meta when I have more time available.

Umlaut · Post Post #91 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 2:13 pm

In post 73, Klick wrote:It's not about being reactionary - it's about what Lucky is reacting against.

At this point it has been well-established that clidd's initial claim about Lucky's early play wasn't accurate. Lucky reacted against that.
The question now is, was that reaction from Lucky-town who knows clidd used bad reasoning to come to an incorrect conclusion, or was it from Lucky-scum who knows clidd used bad reasoning to come to a
correct
conclusion?
I believe the evidence makes the latter likely. He's going 'what? this looks just like my town game!' That level of awareness of how you're playing like your town game would definitely come from scum. It wouldn't necessarily happen if one were town. Hence, I think leaves Lucky as >rand scum for the time being.

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Umlaut · Post Post #92 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 2:14 pm

Er, was going to say: I'm not sure I buy this case but I buy it as coming from town.

clidd · Post Post #93 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 2:14 pm

Now, back to the subject of post 83: Hoctac, why do you think Persival is scum ?

I assume you have some experience with him in your main account by the way you spoke.

ISO · Post Post #94 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 2:16 pm

hoctac related to Hectic?

Umlaut · Post Post #95 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 2:18 pm

In post 77, Hoctac wrote:Umlaut is scummy for trying to again redirect attention back on me for attacking his scum buddy. Decent odds of scum.

This is hypersensitive at best. I asked you a question and instead of answering it you are trying to say I'm scummy for asking it. It's also the first time I've interacted with you at all so I'm not doing anything "again."

How about you tell me why you think Persy is scum?

clidd · Post Post #96 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 2:21 pm

In post 94, SirCakez wrote:hoctac related to Hectic?

I've played with Hectic, I don't think he would create a character like Hoctac. Very sporadic to offer fun to him.

farside22 · Post Post #97 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 2:28 pm

In post 88, SirCakez wrote:talk to me farside

How about less vague stuff. Other scum reads? Why multi votes look scummy?

Umlaut · Post Post #98 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 2:32 pm

In post 82, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: lucky
Hate his page 2

Clidd is trying way too hard

SirCakez probably town (though I'm maybe too eager sometimes to townread people because their thoughts match up with mine)

ISO · Post Post #99 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2020 2:43 pm

In post 19, Umlaut wrote:
In post 16, Hoctac wrote:Umlaut already trying to derail the quickly growing wagon on his scum buddy.

Page 1 solve: Persivul + Umlaut
Damn you're good, game over folks.

In post 97, farside22 wrote:
In post 88, SirCakez wrote:talk to me farside
How about less vague stuff. Other scum reads? Why multi votes look scummy?

It's page 4 I don't have too much yet
Persivul has not posted anything AI yet
Clidd's posts were difficult to read tbh so I need more.
Jury is out on Hoctac
Etc

Only things I have seem that pinged are what I have pointed out on Lucky and Klick