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We don't really seem to be getting anywhere with this and I got what I wanted out of Town looter.
Despite the fact he was defending me, I find @brassherald's last post scummy:

brassherald wrote:Before we get in this fight, let's remember that tone is hard to read on the internet. Because it's text. Which is why Mark Twain could report on a caveman being discovered in the mountains and people didn't get the joke.

The reason I find that scummy is that he's been inactive for so far, then jumps out with this neutral, peace keeping post. Gives me the impression of a scum who wants to keep his head down and keep things chill.
Anything to say about it?

In post 76, ArthurConyl wrote:We don't really seem to be getting anywhere with this and I got what I wanted out of Town looter.
Despite the fact he was defending me, I find @brassherald's last post scummy:

brassherald wrote:Before we get in this fight, let's remember that tone is hard to read on the internet. Because it's text. Which is why Mark Twain could report on a caveman being discovered in the mountains and people didn't get the joke.

The reason I find that scummy is that he's been inactive for so far, then jumps out with this neutral, peace keeping post. Gives me the impression of a scum who wants to keep his head down and keep things chill.
Anything to say about it?

I would agree with this fully if it were not a begginer game. People that try to mediate stuff are typically scummy but it's the same reason I'm temporarily giving votato a pass for that long post at the start

It's hard to discern whether it's in genuine interest in making the game friendly for new players or a tactic to seem towny.

I agree with that, but forgive me for keeping an eye on him. And my question to @brassherald still stands.

Going to repost so people can see it:
All your "good reasoning" is me voting and unvoting Mikul. As for scum not picking up on jokes thats bullshit, I'll bet you're making that up. Cmon, give me at least two examples of that.
FOS'ing brass for noting a well known fact is unreasonable.
To clarify on the lurking, I thought it would be anti-town if you did that. I made a mistake missing the joke and I admit to it.
So really all you have to go on me is:
1) Me not picking up on a joke
2) Me unvoting because I realised I'd put Mikul on L-2. If he only had one vote on him, I would not have unvoted.

Just re read the dp in iso. Posting my notes thus far

I have a slight to pretty good town read on town looter.

Post 36 - This seems like something town would do. I don't think he would try to make that logic as scum because it would get him fosed. I actually believe he thought what I was doing was against my meta. It seems genuine reading back in iso.

Post 58 - I read both the logic to this and the tone of the post as town

Slight Scum read on Arthur.

After reading back and looking for what people mentioned I do consider post 31 weird. I would encourage people to read his posts in iso. I don't think town would have unvoted here because I was not at risk of being hammered or lynched. In iso this especially seems nervous.

The other thing I've noticed with Arthur is he is parroting people

In 68, he tells me to calm down which seems like he copied bras. In 49 he tells me to spam away and agrees with town looter and posts what he says nearly verbatim after telling me to slow down and put a vote on me for it.


The only thing in his favor imo, is logic vs herald in 76. I do agree that peacekeeping seems to be a good thing to do as scum to fight for town cred. It also can be anti scum to break up a fight because scum would want the fight to go on and clutter the dp more. As I'm typing this I'm actually starting to disagree with my initial assessment. I don't think this was anti town of herald.

So yeah , Arthur is where I'm landing now. TL summed this up pretty well, it's very weird posting in iso. "nooby scum" as he called it and I think I agree with that. Will stick my vote there unless something else comes of this dp as this does stick out the most to me in iso

UNVOTE: Votato

VOTE: Arthur

In post 68, ArthurConyl wrote:@mikul:
Calm down, spamming is subjective. He might see it as spam while you don't. And I disagree with you calling that lazy, excessively flooding makes it hard even for active players to keep up. And flooding *is* a legit strat used by scum, so no need to get offended by mutesea.

@town looter:
All your "good reasoning" is me voting and unvoting Mikul. As for scum not picking up on jokes thats bullshit, I'll bet you're making that up. Cmon, give me at least two examples of that.
FOS'ing brass for noting a well known fact is unreasonable.
To clarify on the lurking, I thought it would be anti-town if you did that. I made a mistake missing the joke and I admit to it.
So really all you have to go on me is:
1) Me not picking up on a joke
2) Me unvoting because I realised I'd put Mikul on L-2. If he only had one vote on him, I would not have unvoted.

its not simply that you unvoted. its the way you went about it. although scum often unvote RVS wagons that approach a lynch out of fear of being on such a bad wagon.
not picking up on humor is actually a very useful tell. Because scum are lying, their brains have a hard time picking up on humor. it could be that you just are incapable of sarcasm/humor, but for your sake i prefer to think that youre scum

In post 82, Mikul wrote:Just re read the dp in iso. Posting my notes thus far

The bickering was getting nowhere and I didn't feel like I had a lot to contribute. I like that you decided to just give your reads and try to move on. UNVOTE: Mikul. I voted for Mikul as well for the same reason that mutesa noted, I just don't like spam. I agree with Mikul's defense though which is why I'm unvoting. Mikul seems to want to continue with the game just fine and I don't think being fluffy at the start is a reason to vote right now.

I'm hesitant to L-2 Arthur for only one reason (and if someone wants to show me why this is meaningless, then I have no problem voting), does him trying to make sure the vote against him is counted seem anti scum? I guess a scum could see this as an easy opportunity to show that they are townie; "Look guys, I wanted to make sure the vote against me is counted!" (especially because he did it in forum vs. a pm to the mod).

Missing Town Looters joke reads pretty scummy to me. Even in his defense he says

In post 62, ArthurConyl wrote:I probably missed the joke? Even if it was a joke, its still anti-town to lurk.

He isn't capable of fully accepting that it was (obviously now as Town Looter is posting) a joke an tacks on that lurking is scum? Nobody said they would be lurking now though. If you are really against lurking then get on the people who haven't posted yet.

I also noticed Arthur parroting people as Mikul did, that is pretty odd. It looks to me like Arthur wants to show he agrees with the "group." Maybe a play to create a town-bloc including himself in it. Arthur, no vote yet.

its not simply that you unvoted. its the way you went about it. although scum often unvote RVS wagons that approach a lynch out of fear of being on such a bad wagon.
not picking up on humor is actually a very useful tell. Because scum are lying, their brains have a hard time picking up on humor. it could be that you just are incapable of sarcasm/humor, but for your sake i prefer to think that youre scum

I disagree with this somewhat even if it lands us on the same vote. I think he knew it was a joke.

I don't think he wants able to process that because I agree the only way he wouldn't be able to where if he was incapable as a person to pick up humour in text.

I think this goes back to noob scum. And him looking for a reason to fos something to appear like he's contributing

Fucking phone.


*I don't think it wasn't because he was not able to process it because only someone incapable of humour would have that reason.

On my phone I'll have major typos because of auto correct and having a hard time spell checking the auto corrects. Ill clarify if a post is worded to weird to interpret

In post 85, Anthony87 wrote:

In post 82, Mikul wrote:Just re read the dp in iso. Posting my notes thus far

The bickering was getting nowhere and I didn't feel like I had a lot to contribute. I like that you decided to just give your reads and try to move on. UNVOTE: Mikul. I voted for Mikul as well for the same reason that mutesa noted, I just don't like spam. I agree with Mikul's defense though which is why I'm unvoting. Mikul seems to want to continue with the game just fine and I don't think being fluffy at the start is a reason to vote right now.

I'm hesitant to L-2 Arthur for only one reason (and if someone wants to show me why this is meaningless, then I have no problem voting), does him trying to make sure the vote against him is counted seem anti scum? I guess a scum could see this as an easy opportunity to show that they are townie; "Look guys, I wanted to make sure the vote against me is counted!" (especially because he did it in forum vs. a pm to the mod).

Missing Town Looters joke reads pretty scummy to me. Even in his defense he says

In post 62, ArthurConyl wrote:I probably missed the joke? Even if it was a joke, its still anti-town to lurk.

He isn't capable of fully accepting that it was (obviously now as Town Looter is posting) a joke an tacks on that lurking is scum? Nobody said they would be lurking now though. If you are really against lurking then get on the people who haven't posted yet.

I also noticed Arthur parroting people as Mikul did, that is pretty odd. It looks to me like Arthur wants to show he agrees with the "group." Maybe a play to create a town-bloc including himself in it.

FoS

Arthur, no vote yet.

you should vote someone if you think they're scum. so long as you state that its L-2 or L-1 its probably ok. if someone else lolhammers then that person will face the consequences, not you. the exception is if you plan on hammering you should state intent first so the person can claim and give a final defense/state a few last things

Mikul seems to want to continue with the game just fine and I don't think being fluffy at the start is a reason to vote right now.

Why would this be a reason to vote at all if I explained the intent is to bait votes. It's literally why we are discussing Arthur at the moment. As i mentioned it's a very easy way for scum to push a mislynch

His vote landed on me with the wagon and then he second guessed himself. Not to talk myself up, but that was because I baited the votes

why is it that everyone who comes from epicmafia is super cocky?

In post 91, votato wrote:why is it that everyone who comes from epicmafia is super cocky?

I'm not from epic mafia, I'm just generally an asshole in forum games. Because it's easier to get reactions from people.

In post 84, votato wrote:

In post 68, ArthurConyl wrote:@mikul:
Calm down, spamming is subjective. He might see it as spam while you don't. And I disagree with you calling that lazy, excessively flooding makes it hard even for active players to keep up. And flooding *is* a legit strat used by scum, so no need to get offended by mutesea.

@town looter:
All your "good reasoning" is me voting and unvoting Mikul. As for scum not picking up on jokes thats bullshit, I'll bet you're making that up. Cmon, give me at least two examples of that.
FOS'ing brass for noting a well known fact is unreasonable.
To clarify on the lurking, I thought it would be anti-town if you did that. I made a mistake missing the joke and I admit to it.
So really all you have to go on me is:
1) Me not picking up on a joke
2) Me unvoting because I realised I'd put Mikul on L-2. If he only had one vote on him, I would not have unvoted.

its not simply that you unvoted. its the way you went about it. although scum often unvote RVS wagons that approach a lynch out of fear of being on such a bad wagon.
not picking up on humor is actually a very useful tell. Because scum are lying, their brains have a hard time picking up on humor. it could be that you just are incapable of sarcasm/humor, but for your sake i prefer to think that youre scum

Are you scum in USPol? You can tell me here, it's a safe space.

In post 92, Mikul wrote:

In post 91, votato wrote:why is it that everyone who comes from epicmafia is super cocky?

I'm not from epic mafia, I'm just generally an asshole in forum games. Because it's easier to get reactions from people.

I'm generally an asshole in real life, not for any real reason, though.

In post 94, brassherald wrote:

In post 92, Mikul wrote:

In post 91, votato wrote:why is it that everyone who comes from epicmafia is super cocky?

I'm not from epic mafia, I'm just generally an asshole in forum games. Because it's easier to get reactions from people.

I'm generally an asshole in real life, not for any real reason, though.

Heard

I just want to clarify, I wasn't coming in to defend whatever person didn't get the joke, I just didn't want to read fucking 4 pages about how someone is joking and someone else didn't get it and then its resolved as "Well, that was a waste of time"

I literally can't be bothered to look up the two of their names, but it's not going to be useful content to me for the two of them to bicker about a fucking joke.

In post 96, brassherald wrote:I just want to clarify, I wasn't coming in to defend whatever person didn't get the joke, I just didn't want to read fucking 4 pages about how someone is joking and someone else didn't get it and then its resolved as "Well, that was a waste of time"

I literally can't be bothered to look up the two of their names, but it's not going to be useful content to me for the two of them to bicker about a fucking joke.

Do you actually think their is no value in the fact that he either didn't read it as a joke or acknowledge it as one ?

In post 97, Mikul wrote:

In post 96, brassherald wrote:I just want to clarify, I wasn't coming in to defend whatever person didn't get the joke, I just didn't want to read fucking 4 pages about how someone is joking and someone else didn't get it and then its resolved as "Well, that was a waste of time"

I literally can't be bothered to look up the two of their names, but it's not going to be useful content to me for the two of them to bicker about a fucking joke.

Do you actually think their is no value in the fact that he either didn't read it as a joke or acknowledge it as one ?

I do actually think it's not a valuable discussion to have past the first attempt to say he didn't think it was a joke. Either you believe him or not, nothing that's said after that is going to be him saying "Yeah, it's an obvious joke." or the other saying "Yeah, it wasn't an obvious joke." people don't change their minds in these dumb arguments.

Do you actually think their is no value in the fact that he either didn't read it as a joke or acknowledge it as one ?

I do actually think it's not a valuable discussion to have past the first attempt to say he didn't think it was a joke. Either you believe him or not, nothing that's said after that is going to be him saying "Yeah, it's an obvious joke." or the other saying "Yeah, it wasn't an obvious joke." people don't change their minds in these dumb arguments.
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I disagree and agree. I get that it's fluffy and stupid but I also think it has merit when you look at obvious it was. While I'm not fully in agreement with votato as to why, I do think it's telling.

But for the record , i townread you because of that. Initially it was more scum read, but I think breaking up stuff to stop clutter has it's town merits and it's consistent with you not wanting to clutter the dp