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In post 74, xRECKONERx wrote:

In post 71, Sou and Kanna wrote:

In post 70, Kmd4390 wrote:I don't agree with the sou wagon. The reads list was clearly fabricated, but it was designed to fit the order of the playerlist. I don't see reck as scum for not realizing it though. Having a problem with fabricated reads isn't scummy.

thank you for getting the joke, i suppose? i don't think "not realizing it's the playerlist order" in itself is scummy. but the huge defense that followed in 31? and accusing us of abusing hydra advantages in 66? (which btw, how am i doing that??) do you have an opinion on any of that? or like on anything that's happened so far?

~sou

what about my post 31 was defending anything about the "joke read list" debacle? at that point i still thought it was real. how am i defending it?
and yes, i stand by the hydra thing, though i don't think it makes you scum necessarily. one slot being able to have dissonant reads/behavior/etc muddies the waters too much, it's why i hate hate hate hydras. because anytime you get caught in something, your other half can just swoop in and hand wave it all away.

In post 74, xRECKONERx wrote:

In post 67, Sou and Kanna wrote:reck, i am also telling you that the readlist is a joke. i literally quoted the mod post with the playerlist order in answering your question. i called myself obvscum in it for fuck's sake. are you purposefully being dense?

at what point after your explanation of a joke have i continued to say that it's not a joke? go ahead and show me. ill wait patiently.

• you post something dumb
  
• i ask if it's serious
  
• you say yes (which isn't serious)
  
• i miss the subtle "humor" and explain why what you posted is dumb
  
• you come back and say it's just a joke wtf man
  
• i ask what the point of the joke was
  
• you ignore it
  
• i say using hydra play to defuse any pressure on the slot is scummy
  
• you respond by saying again that the readlist is a joke and ask if im being dense
  
• i ask you to explain where i've denied that it is a joke

In post 63, Bingle wrote:It served a few purposes. It pointed out the identities of the hydra heads in case Reck actually cared (I assumed he didn't, but it didn't hurt to include that), updated the thread on the fact that I think there are scummy things coming from a slot I was previously explicitly townreading (which then allowed for people to engage me over those things if they so chose, which no one has done yet), and it bumped the thread so the mod could have the pagetop for his VC. I think that the last was clearly the most important of the three.

In post 81, AGar wrote:SKit is are really trying to make something of nothing with Reck after posting a read list that felt feigned and they tried to handwave it away as a joke ex post facto when called on it.

In post 81, AGar wrote:Porkens is concerning me because of wagonomics but content is middling. I put more stock in wagonomics so Porkens gets binned as slightly scummy for now.

sou wrote: literally *sigh* at this point. i was also just going to reply to reck again, but i'm beginning to think this may be a personality/playstyle thing more than anything.

In post 87, Porkens wrote:bugspray
So Bugs claimed to scum read Souk based on a post that Souk didn't make. It seems like a genuine slip to me - I don't believe bugs had a real read, and fucked up trying to cover that.

In post 89, volxen wrote:

In post 87, Porkens wrote:bugspray
So Bugs claimed to scum read Souk based on a post that Souk didn't make. It seems like a genuine slip to me - I don't believe bugs had a real read, and fucked up trying to cover that.

What are you referring to here? Bugs mentioned (in 27 and 38) that they scumread/voted S&K over 23.


- Date Mike (Volxen)

In post 38, bugspray wrote:

In post 33, clidd wrote: Agar / Bugspray -> They ignored post 23 and voted regardless of the observations that SK (I'll use this acronym now) made.

I voted them BECAUSE of 23. Clumping two people together and making such a blanket read

also now a super tr for reconer because hes totally town

also kinda sr clidd because while its very tonally similar to the clidd~town i know im p sure this is a different one

In post 91, Porkens wrote:

In post 38, bugspray wrote:

In post 33, clidd wrote: Agar / Bugspray -> They ignored post 23 and voted regardless of the observations that SK (I'll use this acronym now) made.

I voted them BECAUSE of 23. Clumping two people together and making such a blanket read

also now a super tr for reconer because hes totally town

also kinda sr clidd because while its very tonally similar to the clidd~town i know im p sure this is a different one

What “clumping” in 23 is bugs talking about here?

In post 70, Kmd4390 wrote:That seems like a lot.

In post 84, Sou and Kanna wrote:

In post 81, AGar wrote:SKit is are really trying to make something of nothing with Reck after posting a read list that felt feigned and they tried to handwave it away as a joke ex post facto when called on it.

but it was a joke to begin with

Bingle wrote: Does it, now? I'm willing to vote in the people who I'm not townreading on a wagon I believe to have scum motivation, and you. Less so Porkens, because he's actually putting out content to engage with unprodded. Who on that list do you think I should be unwilling to vote? Why?

In post 87, Porkens wrote:

Sou and Kanna (Datisi + Kanna)

I had problems right away with the faux readslist because I didn't realize it was a joke at first. When Souk revealed it was based on the playlist, my immediate reaction was "what was the point," so I asked and in 65 I thought the answer was just fine. Turning the game towards productive discussion is a great reason to make an exaggerated readslist.

I understand the rebuttal in 67, and I like the reads in 61. I also can understand why they thought Reck was pretending not to get the joke in 53. Finally, I agree with their read on Bugs.
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xReckonerX

As with Souk above, I understand his point of view. I believe he didn't realize the joke as of 31 and I see that he was asking for a reason for the joke in 53, not still pushing the idea that it was a joke. He did seem over the top in 27.

In 64 I agree on the MS, clidd, and KMD reads, but I don't understand the hard townread of bingle and the assessment of Agar seems hypocritical. We are far apart on Bugspray.

AGar

I really like 51 and I want to really like 59 but I'm getting a whiff of something - not "LAMIST" but Look at Me I'm So ...something?

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Michael Scott (Auro + volxen)

54 is terrible, as there is plenty to actually talk about at that point but instead the choice was made to continue meming. I also do not understand the townread of Clidd in 55. NEITHER read of clidd is explained in 62.

However, I like 61 pushback on clidd, and I

love

73, but perhaps

too

much. I Vig this slot.

Kmd4390

I like 70 and I've come to agree with the read on Souk. On the other hand, the “what the fuck even is this thread” rang lurky to me.

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Bingle

I don't like the pocketing in 49, and I'm offended by the idea that I'm a fucking clown, here to amuse you? Is that what you think you motherfucker? <pulls gun>. Also the chronic focus on mod-posts is smokescreen-y

clidd

Hokay this one takes some quotes:

Spoiler:

In post 33, clidd wrote:I believe that I don't need to go into details about Michael, the charisma and role-playing he's doing seems healthy and fluid, with no indication that he's pushing himself over the limit or uncomfortable with it. It is easier to interpret something with energy and fluidity when you have a clear mind, and I imagine that the cognitive load of being scum, in this context, would affect his performance and make it all stressful and exhausting.

First: “I don’t need to go into detail…<goes into detail>.” I think this reveals a lack of confidence. Also, the read itself is

garbage

. Finally, it came

after

and seemed to be based

on

Souk’s jokelist. It weirdly apes the tone of that as well. It does not seem genuine.

In post 42, clidd wrote:You start from scratch, change the subject, then change again, change again and finally begin to vandalize your questioning. There are direct/objective playstyles that work, but yours is not one of them. I literally can't understand what's going on in your head because the verbalization of your line of thought is confusing and volatile, compromising the message you are trying to get across, which I classify in this context as a bad tone.

This is towards Reck. It seems like a stretch to me. I don’t think the progression of Recks posts show any lack of progression, Reck is literally commenting on the game as it progresses. I basically completely disagree with this analysis and don’t see how clidd reached it. So it’s not a good case to scum read Reck by.

Also in 42, clidd pressed bugspray but has yet to follow up on it at all. Despite posting 4 more times since then.

In post 42, clidd wrote:I filtered what you typed in post 23 and I don't think it was entirely a joke. There were exaggerations in the way you expressed the impressions, but the starting point of observation that you used in each of the slots did not seem random/invented but rather genuine (that is, it started from an idea you had about each one and tried to expand). It's basically what I did in my old wallpost playstyle, where I took an idea and converted it into an impression, usually being what I thought about the slot, but with an exaggeration of assumptions to reach a conclusion (as town).

I don’t know what “I filtered what you said…” is supposed to mean. The scum-town progression in the readslist was based entirely on the playerlist. So when clidd says “The starting point of the observations did not seem random or invented,” it’s patently false unless somehow the playlist did line up with Souk’s actual reads, which I doubt.

This just looks made up to me - like a cover for sheeping fake reads.

Since then, there’s just been a lot of nothing.

bugspray

So Bugs claimed to scum read Souk based on a post that Souk didn't make. It seems like a genuine slip to me - I don't believe bugs had a real read, and fucked up trying to cover that.

creature hasn't replaced in yet, so
VOTE: clidd