Open 848: Chromavalon: A Bouquet of Colors [Game Over]

[butterflies]

So of everyone who’s posted thus far, three slots have pinged me: Gamma, Umlaut and most recently furtive. Of the three, I have extensive meta on Gamma and when I compare his posting here with uPick!Anything for example, he feels different. In that game, he wasn’t really trying to solve and was basically pretty spammy.

Umlaut: Still not a fan but calling Gamma out for the unconfirmed vote, makes me a bit hesitant.

VOTE: butterflies

This "read" on me is nonsense. It's made when I have all of four one-line posts, three of which are RVS shitposts and the fourth of which is the one you like (calling out Gamma). Tell me what exactly you are not a fan of.

Until now, you hadn’t really done anything. I don’t see why you scumread me for that. And I wasn’t even the only one who felt that way, so I don’t understand what about my post bothers you in particular. I’m not even currently voting you.

~Nancyfly

[Noraa]

NANCYFLY AND BUTTERFLEA AHHHHHHH
im sorry but AHHHH why is that just so good

[butterflies]

NANCYFLY AND BUTTERFLEA AHHHHHHH
im sorry but AHHHH why is that just so good

Spoiler:

Post-game, Flea and I are going in to business as chocolateers.

[butterflies]

Spoiler:

Actually flying chocolateers, to be more specific.

[Umlaut]

Until now, you hadn’t really done anything. I don’t see why you scumread me for that. And I wasn’t even the only one who felt that way, so I don’t understand what about my post bothers you in particular. I’m not even currently voting you.
~Nancyfly

I don't care if you're voting me, I care if you're making up reasons. Galron just said I "pinged [them]" which is whatever, people ping people all the time, but you voted me in 63 which is really silly as Enchant pointed out ("if one of these exactly two people is scum I'd bet it's Umlaut" is... I don't even know what that is) and then said that my one good posts is literally the one post with content I had made.

[butterflies]

Until now, you hadn’t really done anything. I don’t see why you scumread me for that. And I wasn’t even the only one who felt that way, so I don’t understand what about my post bothers you in particular. I’m not even currently voting you.
~Nancyfly

I don't care if you're voting me, I care if you're making up reasons. Galron just said I "pinged [them]" which is whatever, people ping people all the time, but you voted me in 63 which is really silly as Enchant pointed out ("if one of these exactly two people is scum I'd bet it's Umlaut" is... I don't even know what that is) and then said that my one good posts is literally the one post with content I had made.

I stand by that vote att I made it but fwiw, 72 I like.

~Nancyfly

[numberQ]

Spoiler: Flowers

Georgia O'Keeffe,

Red Canna

(1919)

Vote Count (1.2)

butterflies

[1]

Umlaut
Dunnstral

[0]

Enchant

[0]

furtiveglance

[2]

Gamma Emerald, butterflies
Galron

[0]

Gamma Emerald

[1]

implosion
implosion

[0]

Noraa

[0]

ProgoWoshua

[0]

Titus

[1]

Enchant
Umlaut

[2]

Noraa, Galron

Not Voting:

Dunnstral, furtiveglance, ProgoWoshua, Titus

Deadline:

April 8th, 2022, 12:00 PM EST ((expired on 2022-04-08 12:00:00))

[ProgoWoshua]

Hi everyone, I'll read through, give my thoughts on players, and vote tonight when I get home. As for the strategy talk, I read a previous game of this setup and town actually lost the main game, and the mafia wouldn't have guessed the Merlins correctly. Therefore we might have slightly more wiggle room in terms of Muses influencing the game or even claiming outright than you might expect. The main thing is to ensure we at least win the main game.

This post also flagged to me so I'm supporting the vote.

We have 2 miselimimations, there's no wiggle room there.

Each game is different with different factors - the players being a big variable shift. Me, I can't guess guess crap. I'd have no chance so I would be pushing the primary goal, not the secondary.

[...]

- £!3 ButterFlea

I think you might have misunderstood furtive here. The "wiggle room" they've mentioned is about the Muses potentially giving clues about their identities in order to increase the Town's chance to catch scum. So defending against the primary goal in expense of the secondary, not the other way around.

[ProgoWoshua]

@titus, @gamma

furtive's intro was just a joke, right? What's so suspicious about it?

[Enchant]

100% unbeatable play is to be Muse, but claim Muse with Other scum. This way, mafia will most likely fuck up.


Free tip^

[butterflies]

Hi everyone, I'll read through, give my thoughts on players, and vote tonight when I get home. As for the strategy talk, I read a previous game of this setup and town actually lost the main game, and the mafia wouldn't have guessed the Merlins correctly. Therefore we might have slightly more wiggle room in terms of Muses influencing the game or even claiming outright than you might expect. The main thing is to ensure we at least win the main game.

This post also flagged to me so I'm supporting the vote.

We have 2 miselimimations, there's no wiggle room there.

Each game is different with different factors - the players being a big variable shift. Me, I can't guess guess crap. I'd have no chance so I would be pushing the primary goal, not the secondary.

[...]

- £!3 ButterFlea

I think you might have misunderstood furtive here. The "wiggle room" they've mentioned is about the Muses potentially giving clues about their identities in order to increase the Town's chance to catch scum. So defending against the primary goal in expense of the secondary, not the other way around.

Did you read the OP? Assuming we kill all three scum, they can still win if they correctly identify all three Merlins.

~Nancyfly

[ProgoWoshua]

Hi everyone, I'll read through, give my thoughts on players, and vote tonight when I get home. As for the strategy talk, I read a previous game of this setup and town actually lost the main game, and the mafia wouldn't have guessed the Merlins correctly. Therefore we might have slightly more wiggle room in terms of Muses influencing the game or even claiming outright than you might expect. The main thing is to ensure we at least win the main game.

This post also flagged to me so I'm supporting the vote.

We have 2 miselimimations, there's no wiggle room there.

Each game is different with different factors - the players being a big variable shift. Me, I can't guess guess crap. I'd have no chance so I would be pushing the primary goal, not the secondary.

[...]

- £!3 ButterFlea

I think you might have misunderstood furtive here. The "wiggle room" they've mentioned is about the Muses potentially giving clues about their identities in order to increase the Town's chance to catch scum. So defending against the primary goal in expense of the secondary, not the other way around.

Did you read the OP? Assuming we kill all three scum, they can still win if they correctly identify all three Merlins.

~Nancyfly

Yes, that's their secondary win condition.

But to do that, they'd have to guess who the Muses are and their color. For most practical purposes, only one Muse would have to claim their role (not color). In a situation where it would make the difference between eliminating Mafia and mis-eliminate Town, then one Muse should definitely claim.

[Titus]

The reason I say there's very little cost to a single merlin claiming without color is that from a pure numbers perspective, the odds of scum getting it correct shift from 1/60 (negligible) to 1/36 (also negligible) assuming no one else claims for the rest of the game. Even taking into account that scum have all of the information of all our ISOs at their disposal, I still see that cost as trivial for the benefit.

In other news: why the FoS on furtiveglance?

I think a Merlin revealing should be held off on until later
Also, I don’t rlly have the words to express my initial thought rn so I’ll just say furtive’s entrance felt awkward

On a serious note, this is correct. My claim was non serious but still possibly true to get us out of RVS and to wifom.

[Titus]

Also, I don’t rlly have the words to express my initial thought rn so I’ll just say furtive’s entrance felt awkward

This bit feels awkward.

And it's my first game with Gamma in a while, which is funny because my GE paranoia has stuck.

Anyway a suspicion, even this early, without a vote sends alarms.


VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I'm the one that didn't.

[Titus]

@titus, @gamma

furtive's intro was just a joke, right? What's so suspicious about it?

His entrance didn't feel like a joke and he didn't claim it was.

[Titus]

Deliberately not voting to keep wifom but if I wanted to vote, I'd vote butterflies to get wagon reactions.

[butterflies]

Hi everyone, I'll read through, give my thoughts on players, and vote tonight when I get home. As for the strategy talk, I read a previous game of this setup and town actually lost the main game, and the mafia wouldn't have guessed the Merlins correctly. Therefore we might have slightly more wiggle room in terms of Muses influencing the game or even claiming outright than you might expect. The main thing is to ensure we at least win the main game.

This post also flagged to me so I'm supporting the vote.

We have 2 miselimimations, there's no wiggle room there.

Each game is different with different factors - the players being a big variable shift. Me, I can't guess guess crap. I'd have no chance so I would be pushing the primary goal, not the secondary.

[...]

- £!3 ButterFlea

I think you might have misunderstood furtive here. The "wiggle room" they've mentioned is about the Muses potentially giving clues about their identities in order to increase the Town's chance to catch scum. So defending against the primary goal in expense of the secondary, not the other way around.

Absolutely freaking not. No chance nuh-uh OH HEEEEYLLLLL NAW.

no.

Muses do not out, muses do not hint. Muses know who they are as per the sample pms, Muses do what they gotta do. It's their job t make their cases, make their pushes, and if we fuck up and flip one of them we push their target.

[ProgoWoshua]

Hi everyone, I'll read through, give my thoughts on players, and vote tonight when I get home. As for the strategy talk, I read a previous game of this setup and town actually lost the main game, and the mafia wouldn't have guessed the Merlins correctly. Therefore we might have slightly more wiggle room in terms of Muses influencing the game or even claiming outright than you might expect. The main thing is to ensure we at least win the main game.

This post also flagged to me so I'm supporting the vote.

We have 2 miselimimations, there's no wiggle room there.

Each game is different with different factors - the players being a big variable shift. Me, I can't guess guess crap. I'd have no chance so I would be pushing the primary goal, not the secondary.

[...]

- £!3 ButterFlea

I think you might have misunderstood furtive here. The "wiggle room" they've mentioned is about the Muses potentially giving clues about their identities in order to increase the Town's chance to catch scum. So defending against the primary goal in expense of the secondary, not the other way around.

Absolutely freaking not. No chance nuh-uh OH HEEEEYLLLLL NAW.

no.

Muses do not out, muses do not hint. Muses know who they are as per the sample pms, Muses do what they gotta do. It's their job t make their cases, make their pushes, and if we fuck up and flip one of them we push their target.

Only alignments are revealed on flip, not their roles or colors. How would we know to push their targets?

[butterflies]

Hi everyone, I'll read through, give my thoughts on players, and vote tonight when I get home. As for the strategy talk, I read a previous game of this setup and town actually lost the main game, and the mafia wouldn't have guessed the Merlins correctly. Therefore we might have slightly more wiggle room in terms of Muses influencing the game or even claiming outright than you might expect. The main thing is to ensure we at least win the main game.

This post also flagged to me so I'm supporting the vote.

We have 2 miselimimations, there's no wiggle room there.

Each game is different with different factors - the players being a big variable shift. Me, I can't guess guess crap. I'd have no chance so I would be pushing the primary goal, not the secondary.

[...]

- £!3 ButterFlea

I think you might have misunderstood furtive here. The "wiggle room" they've mentioned is about the Muses potentially giving clues about their identities in order to increase the Town's chance to catch scum. So defending against the primary goal in expense of the secondary, not the other way around.

Absolutely freaking not. No chance nuh-uh OH HEEEEYLLLLL NAW.

no.

Muses do not out, muses do not hint. Muses know who they are as per the sample pms, Muses do what they gotta do. It's their job t make their cases, make their pushes, and if we fuck up and flip one of them we push their target.

Only alignments are revealed on flip, not their roles or colors. How would we know to push their targets?

Because the muses know the scumteam between them. They know their targets individually.
The reason they don't claim is they know their colour block. Red muse knows red block. so just as the scum are going to be watching carefully, town need to as well.

Honestly I would hope the muses don't just dive in headfirst on to their targets and frankly if any muse has already voted their target they're getting a post-game glare from me.

-ButterFlea

[ProgoWoshua]

[...]

Because the muses know the scumteam between them. They know their targets individually.
The reason they don't claim is they know their colour block. Red muse knows red block. so just as the scum are going to be watching carefully, town need to as well.

Honestly I would hope the muses don't just dive in headfirst on to their targets and frankly if any muse has already voted their target they're getting a post-game glare from me.

-ButterFlea

Ok, I'm convinced. It really would be best if the Muses stay hidden.

[ProgoWoshua]

@titus, @gamma

furtive's intro was just a joke, right? What's so suspicious about it?

His entrance didn't feel like a joke and he didn't claim it was.

Uhh...

This is my first non-Newbie game, I think this setup is magic. To everyone claiming Merlin, I am not aMused.

Titus, jokingly, claimed Merlin. This game reflavors Merlins as Muses. The post ends with a pun on "Muse".

How is this not a joke?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi everyone, I'll read through, give my thoughts on players, and vote tonight when I get home. As for the strategy talk, I read a previous game of this setup and town actually lost the main game, and the mafia wouldn't have guessed the Merlins correctly. Therefore we might have slightly more wiggle room in terms of Muses influencing the game or even claiming outright than you might expect. The main thing is to ensure we at least win the main game.

The “main” game? We’re only playing ONE game. Are you actually suggesting that they claim outright? I think I’m starting to understand why some people aren’t vibing with your posts.


So how did town lose the game? Are you planning to explain this?

This post isn’t making any sense, anyone else think this?

~Nancyfly

Pretty sure “main game” means voting out scum, with the Muse secrecy being secondary

[Gamma Emerald]

@titus, @gamma

furtive's intro was just a joke, right? What's so suspicious about it?

The integration of game terminology felt ham-fisted

[Gamma Emerald]

Progo’s defense of furtive is pretty weirdChamp

[butterflies]

At the beginning of the game,

the Mafia Goons are given a list of 5 town, including the 3 Merlins and 2 random Vanilla Townies. They will not know which is which

. The Mafia cannot nightkill any of these 5 players on the first night.

This is why muses revealing is so bad, scum already knows that in that group of 5, 3 are Merlins, so they start the game with a 60% chance of correctly guessing who the muses are. So they might not know who the Merlins are but they 100% know who they’re not. So scum start the game knowing that 3/8 players are vts.

~Nancyfly