LOST: Kissing Siblings?

[Bell]

No, I mean, it's a general policy for me to ask for people's death reaads I usually half-listen to them.

[Bell]

I think Pooky didn't like T-bone making light and having insuffcient analysis for the game state along with in general not making hard pushes and in some cases, just being dishonest in their statements, for example their regret that they didn't push harder, but there wasn't much like any push to T-bone.

I do deal almost exclusively with raging Pooky scum though. I'm a little surprised he didn't call me out for not instantly scum reading them for their outburst.

[Bell]

T-bone is to Pooky what Johnny Farrar is to me.
In terms of "players that are here intentionally avoiding taking stances, asking innocuous questions and largely doing nothing with them"

[Bell]

Is one possible explanation anyway. my automatic unthinking reaction is raging Pooky = Pooky scum.
But to be honest, it only really makes sense if you're scum with them.

[Bell]

I'm not sure how voting Cephrir would incriminate you more given people were largely fed up and there were some critically dead slots that weren't voting.

[Bell]

I don't think Nancy's stances are unusual for them.
Titus's Roden vote post mason claim appears genuinely anti-town

[Taly]

No, I mean, it's a general policy for me to ask for people's death reaads I usually half-listen to them.

tbh idk, i just remember

ceph

saying they identified with my frustration at the idea that i utilize AtE as a playstyle because emotional manipulation isnt my thing

in retrospect that that post had no agenda, it further sours the realization that i was wrong about him X_X

I think Pooky didn't like T-bone making light and having insuffcient analysis for the game state along with in general not making hard pushes and in some cases, just being dishonest in their statements, for example their regret that they didn't push harder, but there wasn't much like any push to T-bone.

I do deal almost exclusively with raging Pooky scum though. I'm a little surprised he didn't call me out for not instantly scum reading them for their outburst.

ive been wrongfully tunneled and mislimmed D1 being on the other side of

pooky's

ire before... but he was town.

have you only seen

pooky

like this as scum? its an unfortunate playstyle approach but im still wondering if thats scum-indicative.

the regret not to push on

tbone

harder does feel a bit out-of-nowhere given that

tbone

was hardly the subject for an elimination prior to the gladiate.

im trying not to doubt every single person i originally townread though D:

T-bone is to Pooky what Johnny Farrar is to me.
In terms of "players that are here intentionally avoiding taking stances, asking innocuous questions and largely doing nothing with them"

so you think i was pocketed by

johnny

early D1?

Is one possible explanation anyway. my automatic unthinking reaction is raging Pooky = Pooky scum.
But to be honest, it only really makes sense if you're scum with them.

what's the likelihood that

pooky/tbone

were just S/S theatre? i doubt it especially off individual reads but i want to rule out S/S, T/S or T/T between those two specifically.

they seemed to ignore my posts about

ceph's

recent voting in-thread as the rage fight from

pooky

happened, is why the thought crossed my mind.

I'm not sure how voting Cephrir would incriminate you more given people were largely fed up and there were some critically dead slots that weren't voting.

i dont think the suspicion on me is going to die pretty much. people can look at my wagon and say that

taly

was one of the longest D1 wagons that was never resolved.

there's few games where ive seen dynamics like that go unresolved, and especially less so where scum try to chain another mislim out of it.

even though

ceph/I

were TvT, it was very much not a clear-cut take on who would survive the later discussion went on yesterday. especially around the time

OTH/tbone/pooky

voted.

pedit

I don't think Nancy's stances are unusual for them. <br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Titus's Roden vote post mason claim appears genuinely anti-town

yeah i dont get what was up with that.

honestly, it amazes me that

dunn/klick slot/luke

didnt get as much pushback on the desire for outing both masons.

i always believe that it's the optimal play to believe mason claims D1 regardless of previous input from the slot.

outside of that, and as someone who has hydra'd with

titus

before, i think her leaning on

nancy

is a good sign for town.

titus

trusts her partner as town even with dissonance.

[Taly]

hey

bell

sorry for not getting to this ASAP, my mental health dipped today and im on VLA for several IRL reasons.

i read

ceph's

townflip ill have to rethink my whole solve, i feel bad and disappointed that my presence this game has been a far cry from productive for town.

can you compile any questions you got so when i get to this tomorrow, i can share input on any and everything?

Would you apologize like this if you were scum?

ooof my quote save didn't go through

consider my reply to 75 the answer to your question here.

[Bell]

I find it pretty common for Gamma to dive tackle random people when there are wagons happening but not really engage much with the wagon itself.
It could be Shade tho. You've probably played with them more than me, but I find what Gamma did here relatively in line with them. This doesn't make them town. It just means they're in character.

[Bell]

I've seen hydra partners with Nancy lean on them significantly as scum too tho.

[Bell]

I've been linked one game where Pooky had a Meltdown as town before. It honestly seemed fairly similar.

[Bell]

I agree that the suspicion on you won't die if you don't go out there and do what you're doing in here. Grass is always greener etc.

When Johnny said you were obvtown after a fairly benign post, I pretty much did a triple take and have been weighing whether it was sarcastic, meant to piss off the crowded that was triggered by Nancy calling you obvtown with the thinnest of rationales and an unwillingness to repeat them. Whether it was a snipe at Nancy because they is agreed, they were informed and just creating ambiguity for later if you flipped town or scum etc.

[Bell]

I was fairly frustrated so I stopped myself from writing multiple variations of are you kidding me? But I should have investigated their post and forced them to answer.

[Taly]

I find it pretty common for Gamma to dive tackle random people when there are wagons happening but not really engage much with the wagon itself.
It could be Shade tho. You've probably played with them more than me, but I find what Gamma did here relatively in line with them. This doesn't make them town. It just means they're in character.

ill pull their teeth, like i plan to with several more people.

I've seen hydra partners with Nancy lean on them significantly as scum too tho.

hmmm,

nancy

certainly isnt afraid to bloat the thread as scum. but the thought alone isnt strong enough to give me doubt.

I've been linked one game where Pooky had a Meltdown as town before. It honestly seemed fairly similar.

dont bother if its inconvenient but a link would be helpful

I agree that the suspicion on you won't die if you don't go out there and do what you're doing in here. Grass is always greener etc.

When Johnny said you were obvtown after a fairly benign post, I pretty much did a triple take and have been weighing whether it was sarcastic, meant to piss off the crowded that was triggered by Nancy calling you obvtown with the thinnest of rationales and an unwillingness to repeat them. Whether it was a snipe at Nancy because they is agreed, they were informed and just creating ambiguity for later if you flipped town or scum etc.

hmmm...

johnny

was the quickest player to give me a pass and the least vocal in my defense.

yeah good to note.

I was fairly frustrated so I stopped myself from writing multiple variations of are you kidding me? But I should have investigated their post and forced them to answer.

what was most frustrating about it?

[Taly]

Taly must sleep. She will be around tomorrow.

And for reference, Taly's pronouns are he/him/she/her.

He has had fun messaging you tonight, Bell. Please get your due rest.

Sol

[Bell]

Super inconvenient I'd have to go find the game and then go find the post where it was linked.
I meant similar to their scum melt downs. I still reserve the right to try to spot the difference between their scum and town melt downs.

[Bell]

I lean town on this one, but it's not as strong as I would like.

[Bell]

I mean, it was situation in which my preferred elim got derailed as a minority exerted thread control through spam, AtE and "Taly is obv town" and largely argued for a sub optimal outcome of a no lim in an ambiguous situation
Like, Nancy didn't even know if you aTe'd as scum but felt confident enough to advocate for you making every page a battle for control of the narrative. They campaigned for you and ignored unwritten rules of general discourse.
That can be frustrating.

[Bell]

I don't really think Mathblade is genuine when they hesitated to reveal that scum might role block Dunn/Frog and kill the other. It's too simple for them. They can come up with some very convoluted hypotheses about games, roles, and player behaviors esp as town.
This isn't that.

[Taly]

Super inconvenient I'd have to go find the game and then go find the post where it was linked.
I meant similar to their scum melt downs. I still reserve the right to try to spot the difference between their scum and town melt downs.

I lean town on this one, but it's not as strong as I would like.

I'll leave that to you, my PoE is still larger than there are scum in this game, but pretty different from D1's PoE.

{Math/RCE/OTH/Tbone (eh)/BBT/Frogs/Johnny}

with honestly a few more I want to press.

I mean, it was situation in which my preferred elim got derailed as a minority exerted thread control through spam, AtE and "Taly is obv town" and largely argued for a sub optimal outcome of a no lim in an ambiguous situation
Like, Nancy didn't even know if you aTe'd as scum but felt confident enough to advocate for you making every page a battle for control of the narrative. They campaigned for you and ignored unwritten rules of general discourse.
That can be frustrating.

its a gripe i often see with

nancy

independent of her alignment, it isnt constructive to gamesolving. im going to toy around and see if she keeps up with the same rhetoric and vibe, my hope is that town!

nancy

fleshes out her POV better.

I don't really think Mathblade is genuine when they hesitated to reveal that scum might role block Dunn/Frog and kill the other. It's too simple for them. They can come up with some very convoluted hypotheses about games, roles, and player behaviors esp as town.
This isn't that.

you think that was a red herring or a prophecy?

its very much a scumping to me to lay out a specific scum plan and be afraid of it, it reeks of

"you're thinking of that plan"

[Taly]

was there any discussion of a roleblocker prior to

math's

statement of it EoD1?

mech isnt my strong suit so i dont know if its feasible to assume a scum!RB is at play or not.

[Bell]

Some. I don't think it's unusual for people to consider role blockers/strongmans/other measures etc. I just find it implausible that if the scum team had the tools on hand they wouldn't have considered it because it makes the assumption that the scum team are a bunch of 10 year olds playing mafia for the first time and even they would likely figure it out after a little discussion and prompting from a teacher. or 11 year old.

I'm aware of Nancy's general history on the site. I've spent some time and been careful to side step the pitfalls that most players fall in when interacting with her. Lukewarm fell into one or two.

Mathblade usually brings up the "I think I know the scum team's plan or the possibility of one, but I can't talk about it least I do the work for them"
Almost every game I've been in with them actually. This one just seems off because the scale is totally different

[Taly]

Elaborate on the difference in scale?

[Bell]

Most of the time their arguments are hyper complex and very unlikely. in this vein, especially. Every-time they do the "I dunno guys what if scum do this, but I'm afraid to say more" people pester them for an answer and everytime when they reveal the reasoning most players roll their eyes and are like "Yeah, that's super unlikely though." and I've never actually seen them be right on these reveals. So I dunno why they keep doing that as either alignment really.

Like in one game Mathblade hypothesized that Spiffeh and I were scum partners because I was a *MASON INVENTOR* with ANOTHER MASON that was outted already. It was impressive in its convolution.

Here they warn us that there's no knowing what damage could be done if we give scum the answer that 2+2 = 4.

[Taly]

i can see the lack of complexity being one of two things
1. they're sick and

Taly V Ceph

all occurred within 36 hrs which was a wild trip, so they're tired and weren't thinking optimally, which is understandable imo.
2. they're informed and know something else in play that makes what 2+2=4 mean to us, be like 2+(2*0)=2

1 is NAI and likelier a town interpretation.
2 is more likely scum-indicative, town-PR possible, but based on play, i lean the former of the two assessments. but i havent ruled 1 out, and i dont think rolefishing is pro-town here.