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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:40 am

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Welcome Sara!
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:45 am

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Also, I don't think froggo's scum here. Sara was the "easy" wagon, wouldn't have been suspicious to push there regardless of flip, so fighting against it in favor of Take seems like a lot of unnecessary effort for scum.

It could either be Take or BBT, and I'm honestly leaning BBT here.
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:49 am

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In post 72, Radical Rat wrote:Perhaps may have worked, but we saw how UnFoy reacted when I withheld information earlier, and how Take reacted to me not immediately claiming Cop at day start.
Yeah, no way to know how it'd have gone for sure.

Fwiw, I don't think I'd claim cop immediately in your shoes either. If you can successfully convince people to vote me without revealing who you are then you get all the benefit of your read, but still hide info from mafia. If you can't get the votes on me, well, you just do what you did. (Also delaying gives more time for my partner and I to say things that may help sus out who the partner is.)
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:15 am

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I'm still sad I got hammered so mercilessly. D:
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:18 am

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comforting hug


Sorry that all of my attempts to help seemed to have the opposite effect.
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:53 am

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Yeah, I'm sorry for my stubbornness on that front. I should have gone for Wizard first, and this is obvious in hindsight
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:44 am

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I'm enjoying trying to think through who each of scum!BBT/froggo/Take/UnFoy would kill in this situation.
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:19 am

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Welcome Froggo!

Last scum is BBT
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:11 pm

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Welcome froggodoggo!

Anyone else have predictions who my partner was?
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:26 pm

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Well I could not have been more wrong in this game :lol:

Glad I'm not in this ELo, I was kinda town reading all 3 of them. BBT being alive this far is concerning though.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:38 pm

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Honestly, the kill should have been UnFoy no matter who scum was (aside from UnFoy of course), so that doesn't look great for him, BUT BBT should absolutely know better than to assume that scum!Take kills froggo here, and him pushing that angle instead of going for UnFoy is obvscum.
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2022 5:44 pm

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In post 83, wizardastronaut wrote:Welcome froggodoggo!

Anyone else have predictions who my partner was?
Nope! No predictions whatsoever :mrgreen:

Here is a meta case I did on Take overnight since i was pretty darn confident I wouldn't die:

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Hi all. Decided to look through some of Take's town games in order to compare to this game.

Newbie 2093 -- Take the VT gets eliminated D1
Take's ISO: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13332209

Take gets pushed by Italiano early on and gets very frustrated with their push. It's similar to what I'm seeing in this game -- but Take never gives up talking with Italiano even after he said he would. Take consistently quotes and responds to Italiano's accusation and refutes each point one by one. This consistency is not seen here and Take lets posts go unexplained, something that he seemed very headstrong about not doing in Newbie 2093.
In post 144, Takemikazuchi02 wrote:I'm gonna try one more time and explain things as if you were a child.

There were three people at E-3. Aspho, Corn and you. Aspho is V/LA for the next two days.
TTTT had the choice of putting either Aspho or you at E-2, he choose Aspho. He's either a townie looking to create discussion and advance the game or a maf trying to look like he's doing that.
If the goal is to create discussion, then why not vote you instead of someone who isn't here?

Did you need me to spell everything out like this for you to understand? You wore down all my patience.
This post here really stands out to me as a unique post that shows Take's persistence in explaining his actions to the person scumreading him in a way that doesn't appear in this game whatsoever.

Scrolling through this game Take uses meta a lot to explain reads on other players and opens the floor to himself being meta'd at game start -- Take does use meta a little bit early on in this game to TR BBT and warn us about lurking scum but does not open the floor to being meta'd here.
Take also never mentions his earlier warning about lurking scum when SRing/voting Sara on D3.

In post 317, Takemikazuchi02 wrote:Small thoughts on everyone

Italiano:
Lean scum. What is there to say that hasn't been said? He's so scummy its a joke at this point.

Val89:
Lean scum. Val's behavior fits perfectly with how I imagine maf would play this game. Don't post much and don't be controversial to stay under the radar.

TTTT:
Null. I don't like his arrogance but that's not alignment indicative. His playstyle so far has been asking others to talk, randomly voting people and throwing wild accusations but he never shared his thoughts, Its as if he wants to solve the game by himself while leaving town in the dark because we're too stupid for him. Also, is so cringy

Abdbla:
Null. Lurky, a lot less active than last game where he was maf.

Aspho:
Null. I don't like her OMGUS votes but I sympathize with her frustration in this game. Has brought up a lot of good points which I like.

Furtive:
Lean town. Active and with mostly well reasoned takes. Isn't afraid to disagree with people. Has been a bit too reactive in his playstyle, commenting on new happenings more so than actively trying to advance the game.

Bigterp:
Lean town. Very active, has good takes, asks good questions and tries to advance the game. No complaints.

Corn:
Lean town. Same as furtive But since I can compare his playstyle to that of our last game where he was maf I'm more confident in my read on him.
Culmination of Take's thoughts on the game so far. Shows Take's willingness to get his thoughts out there and be an active part of solving the game. Take has been playing the game here of course, but he has never tried to consolidate his thoughts into one post, moreso playing the game at a post by post basis. I can't say this is totally scum!indicative, but I do think Take's more casual play in this game can be attributed to not actually having scum to solve.
This is further reinforced by Take not going back in the game and mentioning his warning about lurking scum again nor ever using meta to try to read BBT ever again.


Newbie 2907 - Take is Mason and a townie making not-so-smart plays ends up outing him as mason D1

Take's ISO: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13407931
In post 65, Takemikazuchi02 wrote:Furtive acted very differently in our last game where he was maf so i'll townread him for now.
First post of this game. Wow. Take never once mentions he has past games with furtive here. Take also NEVER applies meta to furtive's play here despite being on the wagon/hammer to kill furtive D1.
Immediate red flag.

In post 182, Takemikazuchi02 wrote:Like I said in I townread LeRea.
Bell I haven't seen enough of to get a read on.
And I still think you're scum leaning but that can change.

Its too early to have any strong reads, these are more first impressions.
Again, a list of reads which never appears in this game.
In post 468, Takemikazuchi02 wrote:
In post 467, furtiveglance wrote: 1) You've barely been around, where are your groundbreaking thoughts on the game?
2) Chastising other people for voting without enough reasoning when you're voting BBT for being 'antitown' for joking, one of the worst reasons ever.
1) I post everyday and i'm doing my part contributing to the game and why are you asking me for groundbreaking thoughts as if that was reasonable ask for anyone this early in the game? This feels like your main goal is to discredit me more than anything else.

2) What happened to ? Why are you defending BBT when he's doing the same things you called scum distractions? BBT has undeniably been antitown and that's reason enough to vote for him. Even if you don't like that reason at least I'm giving one, most votes i'm seeing have 0 justification even thought I can think of plenty of valid justifications for most of said votes. Everyone sitting in their corner trying to solve the game solo doesn't help town.

I don't like your post and I'm seeing traces of maf furtive in it so I don't townread you anymore.
In post 469, Takemikazuchi02 wrote:
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I don't townread furtive anymore
I don't scumread HEM anymore and he's bordering on townread now
I townread LeRea
I scumread BBT
TL is a lurker so I can't read him and he's automatically a good elim target in my book
Bell I don't like some of him posts but I think its more playstyle related than alignment related, at least I get the feeling he's trying to gamesolve
DKKoba is the same as Bell except that I think them flipping would give us more info

With 3 days remaining I think we should start deciding who our elim should be. My top 3 are
1- BBT
2- TL
3- DKKoba
Wow!! Again, using meta to read furtive and consolidating his reads into an easy to see list. This is the game right before ours. I see no good reason for a sudden change of playstyle if not accompanied by a sudden change of alignment and I would like Take to explain this among other things in this post that he would like to talk about.

I can't say I've seen a severe distinction in playstyle, but the fact that the two town games I looked at contain elements of Take's play that ISN'T seen here makes me think that Take didn't include these elements because they force him to commit to making more reads and make his opinions more well known, thus being more open to scrutinization (especially considering Take would have to comment about his partner every time he made a list!)


Sorry if it's a lil messy to read, I couldn't figure out how to spoiler something with other spoilers in it so I removed the spoilers in there so I could spoiler it in here.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2022 5:55 pm

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In post 85, Radical Rat wrote:Honestly, the kill should have been UnFoy no matter who scum was (aside from UnFoy of course), so that doesn't look great for him, BUT BBT should absolutely know better than to assume that scum!Take kills froggo here, and him pushing that angle instead of going for UnFoy is obvscum.
I dunno, I think if BBT or foy is scum they probably kill each other so I think it's fine.

I also don't see motivation from anyone else but Take to kill me. BBT has been TRing Take so if Take decides he isn't going to kill that slot, that leaves Foyt and I. Since only one of us is going to be alive, it makes sense to kill the person who is sussing Take and keep the other since Foyt could now go either way.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:08 pm

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I really hope Take is actually scum cause i am still conf biased to the moon and back! Take not scumhunting in f3 and focusing more on wifom defense is suuuuuper scummy imo. I see no reason not to give at least general thoughts on who Take thinks it is rn
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:26 pm

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In post 1344, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You should add more thoughts than just defending yourself, too.
Teehee
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:00 am

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You may be right, it's a really weird kill for either of BBT/UnFoy to make, but it's also weird for Take to make it. But it looks to me like the kill was supposed to LOOK like Take did it as the primary motivation, and BBT pushing that angle immediately without consideration seems to confirm that.
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:04 am

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Though also I remember thinking this was a potential PR soft before, and now that's obviously not the case...

Subject: Newbie 2098 | Manila Sound | Day 4
Takemikazuchi02 wrote:I don't think I'm in a position where I can vote for sara. It would be really bad for town if I died now because its way too early in the game and because me flipping won't be productive for town. The last thing I need is giving a newbie who may not know any better ammo to hammer me.
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:06 am

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Y'know what, yeah it's probably just Take actually.
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:53 pm

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UnFoy meant "503 and 508" when he said "503 and 506." Hence the current confusion between UnF and BBT.
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:33 am

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NOOOOOO IM WASHED
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:43 am

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I don't think many would have predicted an UnFoy vs. BBT fight for the finale.
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:58 am

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Anyone think Take slowrolling rn? LOL
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:14 am

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Hope not but wiz can confirm or deny
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:20 am

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I've been told not to provide spoilers. So it will have to remain a myyyyssstery. *magical waggling of arms*
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:29 am

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It is funny watching people argue a statement of mine with neither of them interpreting it as I believe it was it was intended. Namely, that in the following quote, the "new" part is just what I explain in the following sentence (and nothing to do with the newness of suspicion targets).

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This is a new theory I was pondering during the night.
I was surprised the day ended before I (or several others) had the opportunity to react to the wagon forming on Alex. So was thinking there might be something nefarious in that."
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