Traitor Mafia: Game over

[DrippingGoofball]

BTW - I fully support and enjoy The Leader's use of the third person in referring to himself.

[forbiddanlight]

BTW - I fully support and enjoy The Leader's use of the third person in referring to himself.

Yeah, I really could care less about that. What I dislike is hit pretentious attitude and his "HELLNUTSDEVILDARKNESSPR0N" motif.

[populartajo]

I think that we should suspect people that

a) have admitted to love playing as scum.
b) are known for his chaotic behaviour.

I haven't met all the players here but I definitely know two that fit in the characteristics described. BM and DGB. I wouldn't be surprised if the had already changed sides.

[Yosarian2]

I wouldn't be opposed to a DGB lynch. I don't really think it's all that likely she's turned traitor already, but my gut feeling is that she is more likely then most to do it at some point in the game, at an unexpected time and in an unpredictable manner; possibly just for random reason, or because she suddenly decides it's the right play for some reason that never would have occured to me, or perhaps just becuase she thinks it's funny.

Vote:DrippingGoofball

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't really think it's all that likely she's turned traitor already

And why not? I find it scummy of YOU to suggest that I might not have turned traitor within seconds of receiving my role PM.

...but my gut feeling is that she is more likely then most to do it at some point in the game, at an unexpected time and in an unpredictable manner; possibly just for random reason, or because she suddenly decides it's the right play for some reason that never would have occured to me, or perhaps just because she thinks it's funny.

But my dear Yos, isn't this true of

everybody

, including yourself?

[populartajo]

Some people just doesnt like being scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

I think that we should suspect people that

a) have admitted to love playing as scum.
b) are known for his chaotic behaviour.

I haven't met all the players here but I definitely know two that fit in the characteristics described. BM and DGB. I wouldn't be surprised if the had already changed sides.

Where have I admitted that I love to play as scum? Show me.

[DrippingGoofball]

Some people just doesnt like being scum.

You can count me in. Sorta. I reckon I join every game in the hope of landing a Jester role.

[populartajo]

I think that we should suspect people that

a) have admitted to love playing as scum.
b) are known for his chaotic behaviour.

I haven't met all the players here but I definitely know two that fit in the characteristics described. BM and DGB. I wouldn't be surprised if the had already changed sides.

Where have I admitted that I love to play as scum? Show me.

Where did I say this?

[populartajo]

EBWOP
*that

[M4yhem]

[What I dislike is hit pretentious attitude and his "HELLNUTSDEVILDARKNESSPR0N" motif.

Rofl. I agree it might be a problem once we get into serious analysis time but I’m willing to put up with a bit of silliness day one.

Some people just doesnt like being scum.

Are any of them in this game?

Unvote, Vote:BM

because 4 out of 5 people surveyed said he would be scum. Also, the thread is a lot shorter than it should be.

I’m currently opposed to a DGB lynch on the basis that it will make the game 10% less amusing.

I definitely know two that

fit in the characteristics described

. BM and

DGB.

You implied it here, Tajo.

[Yosarian2]

I don't really think it's all that likely she's turned traitor already

And why not? I find it scummy of YOU to suggest that I might not have turned traitor within seconds of receiving my role PM.

Eh...you certanly might have, but I don't really think you have.

...but my gut feeling is that she is more likely then most to do it at some point in the game, at an unexpected time and in an unpredictable manner; possibly just for random reason, or because she suddenly decides it's the right play for some reason that never would have occured to me, or perhaps just because she thinks it's funny.

But my dear Yos, isn't this true of

everybody

, including yourself?

No, not at all. Some people like being town; other just like winning, and are likely to stay town until they decide that turning scum will improve their personal odds of victory. Me, personally, no; my goal this game is to win with the town.

You, though, you're a wild card; I can never predict what you're going to do at any given moment or in any given situation, but I think that given an option like that, you're likely to take it, sooner or later. Those two traits, put together, make you a threat to the town, IMHO.

[iLord]

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M4yhem finds the leader's style of talking rather amusing and is surprised at the ferocity of the reaction to it.

This.

I say BM and DoS have turned already. Read DoS's post. Pretend you're writing this as town. Then pretend you're writing it as scum. Which glove fits better?

Which post are you talking about? I don't see anything in his last post that would fit either alignment too strictly.

I'm not sure about BM.

Unvote: MafiaSSK
Vote: DragonsofSummer for making two random votes.

That's a weak reason to vote.

Jumping on easy targets?

Unvote, Vote StrangerCoug

DGB the problem is I've made comments like that in other games where you don't have a choice as to whether you are town or scum, and was/ am town.

That's not the right thing to say -

FOS: DoS

A townie would not point out examples of where he was town and did what he did, (which is not very strong evidence), but rather point out why the reasoning is incorrect.

I think that we should suspect people that

a) have admitted to love playing as scum.
b) are known for his chaotic behaviour.

I haven't met all the players here but I definitely know two that fit in the characteristics described. BM and DGB. I wouldn't be surprised if the had already changed sides.

a) is WIFOM, but I feel b) is something to keep in mind.

I wouldn't be opposed to a DGB lynch. I don't really think it's all that likely she's turned traitor already, but my gut feeling is that she is more likely then most to do it at some point in the game, at an unexpected time and in an unpredictable manner; possibly just for random reason, or because she suddenly decides it's the right play for some reason that never would have occured to me, or perhaps just becuase she thinks it's funny. Vote:DrippingGoofball

Yeah, DGB falls under b) in the above.

I would be opposed to a DGB lynch right now, though. We have scummier people to look at, like StrangerCoug.

But my dear Yos, isn't this true of everybody, including yourself?

I would think you're more likely to do the "possibly just for random reason" or "because she thinks it's funny."

There will be points where turning traitor is the correct move, but I feel that you will be more likely to turn traitor some time I would not suspect.

You can count me in. Sorta. I reckon I join every game in the hope of landing a Jester role.

Unvote, Vote:BM because 4 out of 5 people surveyed said he would be scum. Also, the thread is a lot shorter than it should be.

Just because BM is thought to turn scum, does not mean he will actually do it. He'll have several advantages for not doing what people think he will.

I don't really understand your reasoning for this vote.

[forbiddanlight]

Well, pop taj, SC will definitely attest to my chaotic behavior .

[iLord]

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I'm looking back and I don't like this exchange:

Two of the four people I invited made it in, but I'm not going to tell anybody who they are. I will, however, tell you I think they will be of the same alignment.

M4yhem, Rishi was scum in Newbie 614 and won. I know it's in the game's spirit to guess who will be aligned how, but be careful please.

SC posts that he won't tell the names of those he recommnded for no stated reason.

Why so mysterious?

FoS: StrangerCoug

FL calls out SC.

I want people to guess not only my alignment, but also who I brought with me and whether or not I'd side with or against them.

SC spews out some random stuff on how he wants us to guess who he bought, which is pointless - it's not even enjoyable or using much ingame content.

So, rather than raise town chances, you'd rather force guessing. Good show. I think I'll Unvote, Vote Strangercoug

FL once again notes this.

Sometimes I love being a little screwball xD

This reads heavily to me of a scum who has been caught trying to do something illogical. The most common scum reaction to this is to blame it on being illogical.

I'll give a hint as to who I took with me, though: I'm modding a Mish Mash game they're in together.

Here's the last point that leads me to suspect SC - he basically gives us the names at the end. I guess he doesn't want to be "a little screwball" anymore. Classic confronted scum behavior - he first redirects the attack by stating that he is being illogical on purpose as town, and then fixes it as quickly as possible to get out of the spotlight.

I think someone's turned traitor already.

[Battle Mage]

Well, I've been in one complete game with him (and am in several ongoing) so I wouldn't say I know him in and out.

The fact that two others think BM will turn does kind of back up my gut feeling. I'd like to know their reasoning.

Also, if a player is seen as likely to turn, does that make them more or less likely to actually do it?

This is my thoughts exactly. I'm bound to be strung up pretty quickly, and tbh, i'd rather be lynched as town than lynched as scum.

So i'm sticking around for now.

M4yhem's logic is inconsistent and screwy. As such,

Vote: M4yhem

BM

[forbiddanlight]

Hmm...good point iLord. It wouldn't surprise me actually. I'm willing to vote for SC or BM at this point. I'll go with SC right now since BM is getting pressure.

unvote, Vote SC

[Battle Mage]

BM's first law: If BM survives past Day 2 in this game, he has beaten the meta.

BM

[populartajo]

I really dont think anyone has converted yet. If someone has converted already either :
a) he's dumb.
b) he's crazy.
People likely to turn scum wont convert at the first opportunity. They'll be town until necessary.
This doesnt apply to chaotic players.
I feel good with lynching the potential players until something really scummy happens.

[iLord]

This is my thoughts exactly. I'm bound to be strung up pretty quickly, and tbh, i'd rather be lynched as town than lynched as scum.

So i'm sticking around for now.

M4yhem's logic is inconsistent and screwy. As such, Vote: M4yhem

His logic has been screwy, but consistently so.

I suspect it's just his playstyle - I read one game with him in it, but I don't remember which one or what he did in it.

I don't like this vote - mostly because you're voting for M4's "screwy logic" of voting you.

[forbiddanlight]

I really dont think anyone has converted yet. If someone has converted already either :
a) he's dumb.

SC. Well, I wouldn't say he's dumb, and he is improving, but he's not the best mafia player ever.

[iLord]

I really dont think anyone has converted yet. If someone has converted already either :
a) he's dumb.
b) he's crazy.
People likely to turn scum wont convert at the first opportunity. They'll be town until necessary.
This doesnt apply to chaotic players.
I feel good with lynching the potential players until something really scummy happens.

Crazy is pretty harsh.

A better option would be:

b). Winning is not their first priority.

Perhaps they just really want to be scum. Perhaps they think screwing with us would be fun. We don't really know.

And also, turning now does have advantages - being Mafia is roughly superior to being Mafia-Ally and according to you, only "crazy" or "dumb" people convert this early, so they will be at less risk than it would appear.

I would like to stick with looking at people who probably have already converted - it is very possible that there have been a few.

[Wizardcat]

Hi.

Vote: Battle Mage

[forbiddanlight]

I would like to stick with looking at people who probably have already converted - it is very possible that there have been a few.

This is smart. Also, I'm batshit insane and don't plan on converting. Mason vig powers sound pretty cool.

[iLord]

Hi.

Vote: Battle Mage

Is this random, or do you want BM lynched?