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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 6:58 am

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This game is going slow. I don't even remember my role...
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:12 am

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This game is dying. It needs replacements.
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:13 am

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Yes, replacements are required...

Quite frankly, this is shit.
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:12 pm

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Firestarter wrote:Yes, replacements are required...

Quite frankly, this is shit.
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:25 pm

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Lawrencelot wrote:This game is going slow. I don't even remember my role...
Well, let's get it started then.

Are you pretending not to remember your role so that we will be more likely to think you are part of the collective something? Scum would remember, so just casually tossing it out there that you don't remember your role PM might make one think you are more likely to be town.

Maybe it's genuine. But maybe it's not.

Vote: Lawrencelot


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FoS: MafiaMann
because he seems to know specifically what his restrictions are (even though he appears unable to express them), yet I can't imagine how his role PM could express such rules in the vague language everything else is in.
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:36 pm

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Are you pretending not to remember your role so that we will be more likely to think you are part of the collective something? Scum would remember, so just casually tossing it out there that you don't remember your role PM might make one think you are more likely to be town.
To be honest, when I reach a certain threshold, all my games blur together and I forget WHAT I'm supposed to be in some of them til I check again. However, I do agree that Lawrence could actually have checked his role rather than non contributed like that.
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:07 pm

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Is this day ever going to end?

vote MafiaMann
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:15 am

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RestFermata wrote:
Lawrencelot wrote:This game is going slow. I don't even remember my role...
Well, let's get it started then.

Are you pretending not to remember your role so that we will be more likely to think you are part of the collective something? Scum would remember, so just casually tossing it out there that you don't remember your role PM might make one think you are more likely to be town.

Maybe it's genuine. But maybe it's not.

Vote: Lawrencelot
Just telling the truth. I do remember it now btw, even without checking my pm. If I'm town, not remembering my role doesn't hurt town because I'll just find scum like everybody else. If I'm scum, pretending that I don't remember my scum doesn't hurt town more than if I was scum that does not pretend to forget his role, because I'll just (pretend to) find scum like everybody else. If I'm scum, really forgetting my role obviously doesn't hurt town.
To be honest, when I reach a certain threshold, all my games blur together and I forget WHAT I'm supposed to be in some of them til I check again
I often have that problem is well. Now I'm not in too many games, but this game only recently started and not much happened.
However, I do agree that Lawrence could actually have checked his role rather than non contributed like that
Yes, I could have checked my role. But I don't see how that would've mattered. I also don't see how this is not contributing.
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:30 am

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Not checking your role to avoid being readable day 1 is super-lame and defeats the purpose of the game. Some people consider it cheating.

I know you said you remembered your role, but it does matter.

Maybe forgetting your role doesn't hurt the town, but it hurts the game.
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:20 am

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Sun Tzu, as long as someone remembers their alignment, I don't see where forgetting their role hurts. As long as they remember it at night (assuming they have night actions) or when someone claims their role, it's fine.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:52 am

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Yes, I could have checked my role. But I don't see how that would've mattered. I also don't see how this is not contributing.
Well, I guess you have a point. I suppose I'll drop to
FoS: Lawrence
. I still dislike that because just posting to say that feels too much like disguising an I'm here post.
Sun Tzu, as long as someone remembers their alignment, I don't see where forgetting their role hurts. As long as they remember it at night (assuming they have night actions) or when someone claims their role, it's fine.
I was under the impression he forgot both, but I could be wrong.
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:59 am

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I assumed forgetting your role means forgetting your alignment too, but I guess I agree.

In any case, He said he remembered so it's not a big deal. I was just making a point about the concept in general.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:12 am

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in the interests of getting this day started, and for the simple fact that the mod specifically mentioned that this game would start when ALL players picked up their PM, Im gonna...

UNVOTE..
VOTE: Lawrencelot


BW time folks!!
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:53 am

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Firestarter wrote:Yes, replacements are required...

Quite frankly, this is shit.
The games format doesn't help much.

I can understand Bastard Mod games, but this one just seems boring at the moment.
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:46 am

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Sun Tzu wrote:Is this day ever going to end?

vote MafiaMann
Not sure how I missed this. You want the day to end on page 4?!? And is this your
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:55 am

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Kmd4390 wrote:
Sun Tzu wrote:Is this day ever going to end?

vote MafiaMann
Not sure how I missed this. You want the day to end on page 4?!? And is this your
second
post? Any reason on mafiamann?
Probably because he wants to jump on a easy wagon.

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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:02 am

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Actually, scratch that,
Unvote


For some reason I thought Sun Tzu's vote put MafiaMann on L1, when it is actually L3.
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:55 am

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Scattered wrote:Actually, scratch that,
Unvote


For some reason I thought Sun Tzu's vote put MafiaMann on L1, when it is actually L3.
WHAT????
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:02 am

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Firestarter wrote:
Scattered wrote:Actually, scratch that,
Unvote


For some reason I thought Sun Tzu's vote put MafiaMann on L1, when it is actually L3.
WHAT????
As the post said, I made a bad assumption about how many votes MafiaMann had because I rushed and counted the bolded Something: MafiaMann as votes (doesn't help that there are no official vote counts). I went back to check, and found that he was on L3 unlike I had thought. I therefore removed my vote since because putting someone on L3 without a motive is not as scummy as putting them at L1. I guess he (Sun Tzu) still deserves an FOS but I didn't think of that at the time.

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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:54 am

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Firestarter wrote:in the interests of getting this day started, and for the simple fact that the mod specifically mentioned that this game would start when ALL players picked up their PM, Im gonna...

UNVOTE..
VOTE: Lawrencelot

BW time folks!!
Opportunistic, hoping a lot of people will hop onto a wagon based on anti-town rather than scummy play. Gives a disclaimer to shuck responsibility for his vote, "getting the day started." Scum move.

FoS: Firestarter.
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:13 pm

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CF Riot wrote:
Firestarter wrote:in the interests of getting this day started, and for the simple fact that the mod specifically mentioned that this game would start when ALL players picked up their PM, Im gonna...

UNVOTE..
VOTE: Lawrencelot

BW time folks!!
Opportunistic, hoping a lot of people will hop onto a wagon based on anti-town rather than scummy play. Gives a disclaimer to shuck responsibility for his vote, "getting the day started." Scum move.

FoS: Firestarter.
Agreed. Especially as Lawrencelot never actually said that he hadn't read his role pm, just that he couldnt remember his role. IGMEOY
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:41 pm

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MafiaMann wrote:
Lawrencelot wrote:You mean you can't vote?
somthing like that and somthing else
Just reread, and this stood out as lying scum.

MafiaMann states at first that he doesn't know his restrictions and refers to them as something.

When questioned, he then reveals that it is that he cannot vote (something he surely would have known at his previous post as he doesn't try to vote in between). It also doesn't make sense that he would withhold his restriction and then suddenly tell us when questioned and under no pressure. Since that post, he has been inactive which could well be lurking.

Lastly, I'm not sure about others but my role pm (which may or may not be the vanilla one, I'm not breadcrumbing here) didn't specify on any details, it just had something instead of all verbs and nouns. It seems strange to me that MafiaMann's would have specified that he couldn't vote clearly (as he wouldn't have known he can't otherwise since he hasn't attempted a vote in game.)

Vote: MafiaMann
, L2, don't lynch unless he has a chance to explain himself. However if he doesn't answer fairly swiftly, this might be a good lynch for today. (On a related point, is the game no reveal?)
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:26 pm

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Exactly my point about MM, Scattered.
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:09 pm

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Vote: MafiaMann
L-1. This game needs to move. Or something.
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:34 pm

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If MafiaMann doesn't talk, he'll be replaced eventually. It's conversation this game needs. There has been some conversation. If you want more, engage in it. What do you want MafiaMann to do, claim on page 4? I'm also suspicious of him, but I think it'll be to our advantage if we let him be replaced first. If we want replacements to be made, we will have to start discussion so there will be a difference between inactive and active players.

Bringing him to L-1 at this point bothers me. I feel that it's too soon, and too risky.

Unvote; Vote: Lord Gurgi


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