Goofbash Invitational (Game Over)

[Setael]

Yep. I can't read Faraday very well and I've never played with you. I could go either way right now, so null.

[chamber]

Did someone just do a fucking pbpa? Excuse me while I go throw up.

[Setael]

*deletes pbpa of tans*

Wow, tough crowd.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Your case on SensFan is mostly "He's acting weirdly. I wouldn't expect Senstown to act weirdly." but it fails to address why Sensscum would act that weirdly. Less quoting, more analysis, please.

[Setael]

OK, for those of you who don't like to read words:

SensFan is scum because:

- He initially took credit for "catching" Mina and then backpedaled and said it was Fate (lessening his responsibility for the wagon).
- When he supposedly believed Mina was scum, he insisted on keeping Fate's identity secret.
- He tried to use what was initially a joke as evidence that he was the first to suspect Mina.
- He opportunistically sheeped Fate's read even though he had no basis for thinking there had to be scum in their neighbor group.
- He accused Mina of lying in order to push her wagon.
- He said his pm was very "shades-of-grey" about whether he could trust his neighbors, in spite of whole heartedly backing Fate's belief that one of them must be scum.
- He weakened his Mina read without unvoting in an attempt to lessen his responsibility for her wagon (same reason to back out of "catching" her and giving the responsibility of it to Fate)
- Blatantly defended Fate as town with no apparent reason for doing so (flipped to a scum read on him at the drop of a hat)

[chamber]

Those things don't seem like typical sens to you? Do you have much experience with him?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

OK, for those of you who don't like to read words:

SensFan is scum because:

- He initially took credit for "catching" Mina and then backpedaled and said it was Fate (lessening his responsibility for the wagon).
- When he supposedly believed Mina was scum, he insisted on keeping Fate's identity secret.
- He tried to use what was initially a joke as evidence that he was the first to suspect Mina.
- He opportunistically sheeped Fate's read even though he had no basis for thinking there had to be scum in their neighbor group.
- He accused Mina of lying in order to push her wagon.
- He said his pm was very "shades-of-grey" about whether he could trust his neighbors, in spite of whole heartedly backing Fate's belief that one of them must be scum.
- He weakened his Mina read without unvoting in an attempt to lessen his responsibility for her wagon (same reason to back out of "catching" her and giving the responsibility of it to Fate)
- Blatantly defended Fate as town with no apparent reason for doing so (flipped to a scum read on him at the drop of a hat)

This still consists of words, just fyi (really the main difference between this and the previous case is that you haven't included quotes). Try drawing a picture and/or engaging with what I said.

[Setael]

Those things don't seem like typical sens to you? Do you have much experience with him?

Has nothing to do with meta. It's scumminess. Are you saying that you have a meta read of SensFan that he does incredibly scummy things when he's town? Or are you saying you disagree with my points?

Explain to me how TownSens feels the need to keep Fate's identity secret if he really believes Mina is scum. Just start there, for fun.

@CES: I disagree that my post was merely saying "He's acting weirdly. I wouldn't expect Senstown to act weirdly." I think that I pointed out some blatantly scummy actions. I removed anything but those actions so it would be clearer. Do you disagree that these actions are scummy? If so, feel free to explain to me howso rather than just telling me that I didn't post anything useful.

[chamber]

My experience with sens is limited, but from what I saw at goofbash I can say 2 things, he's always very sure of himself, and he sometimes does things I view as being completely irrational. With that in mind all the things you've mentioned just seem like him being himself. Not meta town, meta null.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

@CES: I disagree that my post was merely saying "He's acting weirdly. I wouldn't expect Senstown to act weirdly." I think that I pointed out some blatantly scummy actions. I removed anything but those actions so it would be clearer. Do you disagree that these actions are scummy? If so, feel free to explain to me howso rather than just telling me that I didn't post anything useful.

Sensscumplayingreallybadly does work, but I'm generally seeing a lack of mid- to long-term scum motivation in the actions you describe e.g. accusing Mina of lying, his view on Fate. The only point I agree is all that meanignful is the "keeping Fate's identity secret" but for different reasons - the logic that the scum would know the neighbors due to Minascum being among the neighbors should've been obvious to SensFan if he were scum due to the scum knowing the neighbors as a result of a scum neighbor in that case, but I could see the inconsistency being a result of Sensfan not considering whether the scum knowing who the neighbors are as something that he shouldn't know anything about as a subconsciously overcompensation for knowing that the scum know who the neighbors are.

[Fate]

^worst post I've ever read.

Down for CES lynch as well now

[Fate]

Yo we broke this game.

Let's just lynch non townreads.

Like Nikacheekascum.

K.
Gg

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You're right, damn. I misspelled meaningful.

[VitaminR]

My experience with sens is limited, but from what I saw at goofbash I can say 2 things, he's always very sure of himself, and he sometimes does things I view as being completely irrational. With that in mind all the things you've mentioned just seem like him being himself. Not meta town, meta null.

This.

[VitaminR]

^worst post I've ever read.

Down for CES lynch as well now

Nope, wrong. Actually a pretty good post. I feel better about CES now.

[DrippingGoofball]

It's getting easier

FAKE MASONS

DrippingGoofball
Cogito Ergo Sum
CokeDeity
TheButtonmen
Blackberry
Sensfan
chamber
Mina/Katsuki
Fate
tanstalas
Minineko
Albert B. Rampage/Setael

SCUM

dramonic
Kise
Nikanor
VitaminR
Irish Carbomb/xRECK/Faraday

[tanstalas]

*deletes pbpa of tans*

Wow, tough crowd.

tl;dr of your pbpa on me was obv town, right?

[SensFan]

Explain to me how TownSens feels the need to keep Fate's identity secret if he really believes Mina is scum. Just start there, for fun.

I appreciate the implied praise very much, but even I can be wrong about a read I got from a handful of QT posts.

[SensFan]

Also, FWIW, from this point on, I will expect the ABR/Set hydra to be internally consistent. As far as I'm concerned, being a hydra doesn't give you the right to contradict yourself from one post to another. So I suggest you start figuring shit out among yourselves before you start voting people your other head thinks is Town.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

That's a bit strict, SensFan; it's not like the slot was internally consistent before.

[SensFan]

That's a bit strict, SensFan; it's not like the slot was internally consistent before.

I'm not saying they can never change their mind. But I'm not going to let them get away with continuing the game with each head having fairly contrasting Town/Scum lists. It makes it much too easy to jump from one wagon to the other on the basis of "Well, ABR convinced me that Sens is Town for now", and then "Screw it. Sens is Scum, and I don't care what ABR thinks" if the wagon picks up again.

[Blackberry]

@Blackberry:

How interested are you in this game? You're posting is very different then your previous games lead me to expect, do you have any reads other then on me?

Am I that translucent that you can tell I'm not interested interseted in this game in terms of scumhunting? Wouldn't the proper first conclusion be that I am scum? Yes you somehow jumped to the conclusion that I'm not interested. Is this perhaps because you are mafia and know I'm town and thus know my behavior isn't scummy, but in fact because I'm not interested?

Interested might not be the right word, but in terms of the game, my primary agenda at the moment was to kill you. I don't think I was that transparent though. Did anyone else think I was not interested in the game, or did they think I was just acting scummy-ish? Or neither? I think it'd very odd TBM jumps straight to the conclusion that I'm not interested in the game vs. a "BB is scum" conclusion.

Also, I'm curious what previous games you looked up... Considering I myself don't remember the last finished game I played. I am currently playing in 3 games though... I don't think I'm supposed to comment about ongoing games, but if anyone wants to Meta... my Day 1 activity is the same in both my games that are currently in Day 1, while my Day 3 activity is signifigantly different. Point-blank, I get bored really easily on Day Ones .

...

Also... <3 Setael... you should have hydrad with me.

Also... SensFan I suggest you start figuring shit out with yourself before you post, as you might irritate people.

I'm fine with Setael & ABR figuring their "shit out" live in the forum for all to see. It allows you to read their sincerity, etc. SensFans words make him sound like he is whining.

xoxo

[SensFan]

I'm fine with Setael & ABR figuring their "shit out" live in the forum for all to see. It allows you to read their sincerity, etc. SensFans words make him sound like he is whining.

Which of the following is accurate:
a) You are willing to allow anyone to change their vote and/or reads at the drop of a hat
b) You have a double-standard for hydras and non-hydras

[Blackberry]

A

Have you not seen me play in person? I change my mind every 2 minutes. ^_^

[SensFan]

A

Have you not seen me play in person? I change my mind every 2 minutes. ^_^

Why bother reading the thread at all, then, if people don't need a reason to completely flip-flop on their reads and can do so whenever they want without being held accountable for it?