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Quilford, you just contradicted yourself by the way. One post you just said "I think one of you is paranoid or insane". And the very next post you said you want me to hang. Either you believe there are 2 cops or you don't. My spidey senses are telling me this was a slip and you know we are both real.

Zang, very serious question here and its imperative that you answer honestly: If you were bestowed the executioner ability would you be willing to execute Quilford instead of me? If you don't feel comfotable saying yes, please don't lie. Your reaction to Quilford's claim is very town. You can think I'm buddying and full of shit today thats fine. I want Quilford/MoI to hang. If Quilford flips confirmable scum, I'd be fine having any protective role be on Zang as opposed to me.

There is a way to distinguish between a miller lynch and a goon lynch correct? This is vital information really. I'll check the wiki brb.

Let's execute MoI, and elect someone to Nightkill based on the flip.

Right now quilford goes down.

YOU ALWAYS lynch claimed millers in response to cop. There is no way you don't do that. After that someone should NK Scumhunter.

Scumhunter wrote:Well I swear on my dead grandmother's grave, her name is Dorothy and she died of pancreatic cancer last year that I'm a cop...and I don't see Zang's motivation to lie here as a scum-partner with MoI. Your miller claim Quilford, combined with MoI's lack of miller claim = I'm either officially insane or MoI is confirmed scum. I still say we execute between MoI and me today.

Zang's claim I believe. Your miller claim Quilford, while I think there are millers in the setup, I currently think you are full of shit and scum to be honest. I realize this goes against my previous read of you. But I really believe Zang now. And yes I know he claims my role. So suck on it.

I want to post this here just so I can feel epic if this is true: Zang is a sane cop with a guilty on Quilford, I'm an insane cop with a guilty on MoI the godfather. Epic soul read of mod get.

@mallow, can you confirm whether its possible for a cop's sanity to be anything but real in this game?

Scumhunter wrote:Quilford, you just contradicted yourself by the way. One post you just said "I think one of you is paranoid or insane". And the very next post you said you want me to hang. Either you believe there are 2 cops or you don't. My spidey senses are telling me this was a slip and you know we are both real.

I don't. I meant to say I think one of you would have to be paranoid or insane.

But Quil has claimed "other powers" and I think he might have a role related to mine.

Scumhunter is scum. Cool.

Quilford, are your "other powers" the paper?

I'm not revealing anything about my other powers until I'm forced to.

Cop guilty on you, impending death, etc.

I'm not dying.

vezokpiraka wrote:Right now quilford goes down.

YOU ALWAYS lynch claimed millers in response to cop. There is no way you don't do that. After that someone should NK Scumhunter.

I'm fine with the first part of that plan. I'll go so far as to say if Quilford flips scum, any protective role should be on Zang and not me.

: This vote is pending you stating an intent to execute Quilford today and not me.

MoI is still scum btw.

Scumhunter wrote:

vezokpiraka wrote:Right now quilford goes down.

YOU ALWAYS lynch claimed millers in response to cop. There is no way you don't do that. After that someone should NK Scumhunter.

I'm fine with the first part of that plan. I'll go so far as to say if Quilford flips scum, any protective role should be on Zang and not me.

unvote, vote: Zang

: This vote is pending you stating an intent to execute Quilford today and not me.

Of course protective roles should protect you. You are still scum.

If im elected. I will kill quilford. I8 still think scumhunter is scum but quilford is the one who needs to die because of his claim.

Quilford, I read it yesterday but I think its the first sentenve of the lastt paragraph of the first post in the thread about millers. What your opinion pn that?

Also Quilford, You say that one of us must be insane or paranoid but this contradicts your claim because if you are a mller and i got a guilty on you, then my sanity is pretty much gurannteed.

implosion wrote:Okay. My initial reaction to SH's claim was kind of meh and that he was PROBABLY fake. But MoI saying this alone and then selfvoting might honestly be enough for me to FoS him. Why are you the only acceptable votes? why couldn't we just vote someone else to execute between you two? Important line: if we vote wrong, and elect scum, can't they just kill some random obv-town person since they're going to die anyway?

Ok, perhaps in my quick reply last night before bed I didn’t phrase it as clearly as I should have.

No other votes for WHO to be executed are acceptable. At that point the Guilty Claim and my Claim that he’s lying mean one of us had to die during the Day. Town can’t go into Night without seeing one of our flips.

Now Zang’s cliam of Guilty on Quiford complicates the matter since we he claimed it after I posted the above and it creates another pair of 1v1s (Zang-Quilford) and (Zang-Scumhunter)

I’m willing to support execution of Quilford or Scumhunter. I have a solid Town read on Zang and Quilford’s late Miller claim is bunk. Scumhunter needs to die since he’s clearly fake-claiming scum who accomplished what he wanted to – getting the Cop to out himself.

UNVOTE: MoI
VOTE: Zang

I support Zang for Day Executioner to kill Quilford. If Quilford flips scum we elect him again and he executes fake-claiming Scumhunter. If he flips Miller you have to decide who you trust more between Zang or Scumhunter and Night support as necessary.

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Quilford wrote:Scumhunter is scum. Cool.

Your ‘Oops To Late’ WIFOM distancing is noted.

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Scumhunter wrote:MoI, the more I talk, the more you will squirm. I promise <3. I'm not defeatist. A little frustrated yes. I want to see you hang today and you will. If not, it sure as hell won't be from me giving up.

You will not see any squirming from me. Because I know that you are lying. In the worst case scenario that somehow Town decides to believe your fake-guilty and execute me today I know you are going down overnight or the next Day.

I’m not even going to engage in a wall battle with you at this point because I don’t have to. You spamming the thread and frustration shows that you have to work to try and sell your claim because it isn’t believable. That’s why your ISO post claim is filled with AtEs, overjustification of why you’ve called me possible Not scum, pointless fluffy rhetoric like promises to Eat a Hat and swearing on your Grandmother. If you hadn’t botched your fake-claim today so badly you wouldn’t have to flail around like you are doing.

The facts of the matter are this – your play today doesn’t back your claim. Cops with Guilties don’t position themselves as you did (with He’s Neutral to me / maybe there is a Framer). A Cop with a Guilty who doesn’t want to directly claim comes out pushing the Guilty claim immediately. You didn’t do that and had the perfect position to do so without having to possibly change your Day 1 opinion since you had posted nothing Day 1. Yet you didn’t. Look at my Day 2 play in [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... =3&t=17325]Superhero Mafia[/quote] for an example of how you play a Cop with a Guilty. You on the other hand are spewing much of the same garbage that caught scum Kagelord was there … talking about Framers or other reasons why my result was wrong. In this case you are setting the stage for when my Town flips possibly happens. Then you are going to throw up your hands and say “Well it must be a framer!!!!!” and try to weasel your way out of your obv-fake claim.

You need to die scum!

Scumhunter wrote:At everyone, if you think I'm scum, please explain the scum motivation for me faking this report at this point and time of the game? If my goal is to "secure" a ML, why the FUCK would I choose MoI?

^If you can come up with a legitimate answer to that question that makes me scum, I'll eat my hat. If you can't come up with a legitimate answer to that question, there is only one option remaining: I'm town. I'll be here waiting.

The answer is clear as day and you using more ‘Eat a Hat’ rhetoric means you are flailing.

You saw the writing on the wall of suspicion ready to come crashing down on you. So you prematurely faked a Cop claim to draw out the real Cop (good job, it worked). Your pick of me is just for the WIFOM (why would scum pick MoI for the investigation) and because I was the number 1 voice leading the charge on you.

Caught scum is caught. Enjoy your hat.

Scumhunter wrote:As fucked up as this sounds, I may believe you Zang. Going to wrap my head around this more tomorrow. Yes I realize what I just said.

Yup, it does sound fucked up because you two Cops in a Mini Theme game is absolutely absurd. Way to back off from what should be another 1v1 for a real Cop.

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I support Zang for Day Executioner to kill Quilford. If Quilford flips scum we elect him again and he executes fake-claiming Scumhunter. If he flips Miller you have to decide who you trust more between Zang or Scumhunter and Night support as necessary.

If Quil flips Miller, then doesn't that make Zang's claim more believable?

Gonna check the VC before voting Zang. Remember we need CCslot to confirm DVing powers.

No, we have reason to suspect that we shouldn't give Zang the execution to kill Quilford. We're waiting for both heads to be on (should be soon enough) before making a post, but sit tight and we'll be able to explain soon. Had to post to stop any hammering on Zang, funny how scums' plan almost worked.

You know what's funny? I was planning on faking guilties on Cosca and Scumhunter. lol

SleepyKrew wrote:If Quil flips Miller, then doesn't that make Zang's claim more believable?

Gonna check the VC before voting Zang. Remember we need CCslot to confirm DVing powers.

I'd say not necessarily. Quil flipping Miller would mean it was possible scum Rolecopped him (and with the 'abundance of Town PRs claimed out here scum have to have something going for them PR wise) and is using that knowledge to fake a guilty.

From my perspective Zang isn't lying because I know Scumhunter is lying out of his ass so its not an issue for me. Everyone else doesn't have that perspective so it was worth mentioning.

Also - the second sentance more or less cements SK Town in my eyes.

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Before I forget -

- Please provide a scum motivation for me, as scum, to choose not to kill EITHER claimed Town PR from Day 1 (Sleepy or CC)? Do you think we are all scum together with Quilford (who you support execution of)?

Cosca wrote:No, we have reason to suspect that we shouldn't give Zang the execution to kill Quilford. We're waiting for both heads to be on (should be soon enough) before making a post, but sit tight and we'll be able to explain soon. Had to post to stop any hammering on Zang, funny how scums' plan almost worked.

I'm very curious to see this 'explanation'.

I also considered a Rolecop. But I think the chance is low, and agree that Scumhunter seems o so scumtastic.

We believe Scumhunter's cop claim is a scum bus on MoI. Our reason being that there's no way Scumhunter is cop with guilty on MoI, it makes no sense whatsoever. He has said in this post that there are far better lynches than MoI and that he won't be pushing an MoI lynch today (bottom paragraph I believe). Furthermore, he lists MoI as a neutral read here when a cop with a guilty would most certainly list him as a scum read. Yes he has a meaningless spat with Moi over a few points, but in the end it looks like a poorly crafted scum bus made to give MoI town cred.

We believe that scumhunter and MoI had this planned from the start. Scumhunter would lay down hints that he wasn't copping MoI with a guilty (hence the contradictions) and then argue with MoI a bit (scumhunter as scum would have had to have SOME backing to his claim) to make it more believable. Then scumhunter claims guilty on MoI, and they form a grandstand where they each self vote and demand that we choose between them. It does not matter who gets the vote because they will shoot a random townie. Then at night we MIGHT get the night kill, in which case the winner of the vote would die. Now we have Scumhunter attempting to push the execution onto Quilford. Note that by doing this he is not going for the person who he thinks is scum, and in the event that we're right, would be getting away with his mafia partner. And now MoI is following his buddy by voting Zang and saying that Quilford should be executed. You know why he wants Quilford executed now and not Scumhunter? Because he wants that extra two scum votes for scum night executioner.

MoI scores major scumpoints as he backtracks and says "oh no, I didn't mean that only me and scumhunter can execute, I mean that only we can die today".

We believe the Zang counterclaim with a guilty on Quilford. Zang, unlike scumhunter, put Quilford down as most likely scum on his list of reads today. Quilford is on his own level of scumminess according to Zang which matches up with what we might expect from town cop. We are very skeptical of Quilford's miller claim. You claim miller RIGHT FROM THE START, not conveniently when a cop has a guilty result on you. The ruckus in the game linked to by Quilford was caused by the miller claiming last long after everybody else. On the other hand, our suspicions for Scumhunter/MoI are much stronger than for Quilford. We also do not rule out the possibility all three are scum but on different groups (or one of them is a traitor).

We will therefore NOT support MoI for executioner and will only support a Day Executioner vote for implosion. Implosion is to execute Scumhunter, the night executioner, night executee, target of any town protective roles and Zang's investigation will be determined as follows:

Scumhunter flips sane cop:
- Night executioner: implosion.
- Executee: MoI.
- Protects: implosion.
- Zang investigates a player of his choice.
If Scumhunter is actually a sane cop, Zang was likely fakeclaiming or a paranoid cop and his investigations are of no value. In this situation, we support our strongest town read to execute the confirmed scum.

Scumhunter flips insane cop:
- Night executioner: Zang.
- Executee: jason.
- Protects: Zang.
- Zang investigates a player of his choice.
If Scumhunter is an insane cop, his investigation cleared MoI, and Zang is likely a sane (town) cop. We support him killing our strongest scum read.

Scumhunter flips paranoid cop:
- Night executioner: Zang.
- Executee: jason.
- Protects: Zang.
- Zang investigates MoI.
If Scumhunter is an insane or paranoid cop, his investigation on MoI was in good faith but useless. Same as before for Zang and jason, only that we would like to see MoI investigated by a likely sane cop.

Scumhunter flips town, but not cop:
- Night executioner: Zang.
- Executee: jason.
- Protects: Zang.
- Zang investigates MoI.
If Scumhunter fakeclaimed as town, he is an idiot and deserves a place on everybody's blacklist. The arguments are as in the paranoid cop case.

Scumhunter flips scum:
- Night executioner: Zang.
- Executee: MoI.
- Protects: Zang.
- Zang investigates a player of his choice.
If Scumhunter fakeclaimed as scum, Zang is likely a sane (town) cop, and we support him in killing MoI as this would confirm our bussing theory.

[quote="Cosca']Scumhunter flips scum:
- Night executioner: Zang.
- Executee: MoI.
- Protects: Zang.
- Zang investigates a player of his choice.
If Scumhunter fakeclaimed as scum, Zang is likely a sane (town) cop, and we support him in killing MoI as this would confirm our bussing theory.[/quote]

I'll just leave out your large bit of useless speculation and get to the heart of this ...

Scumhunter flips scum and what does Cosca want to happen? Not the death of the person the now more or less confirmed Cop has a guilty on (Quilford) but the person that scum faked a Guilty on.

There's a bus going on ... but it's not Scumhunter and me but Scumhunter and Cosca.

Look at Cosca's play re: Scumhunter today -

1. First he needs more input.
2. Then he calls him Town.
3. When pressure builds on Scumhunter suddenly he backtracks and finds Scumhunter scummy.
4. Now he's building an elaborately absurd scenario about bussing between Scumhunter and I.

I'm calling a Quilford - Scumhunter - Cosca team right now.

- Same question to you as I put to Scumhunter - please explain my motivation to NOT kill either claimed PowerRoles N1.