Open 387: Jungle Republic (Day 6 - ends in a Town Victory)

[Fat_Tony]

Also going to say this. Tony is town.

Yay, somebody gets it. But stop buddying me

[Ravel]

new page, perfect place to place a Vote Count

Day 3 Vote Count

Chrimi (1): Elmo TeH AzN

Not Voting (7): Chrimi, asher611, Om of the Nom, Thomith, Fat_Tony, Pirate Chemist, Kassadin

There are 8 players alive, which means it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Deadline in

(expired on 2012-05-06 18:00:00)

(April 30, 6:00 PM EDT or 10:00 PM GMT)

As of Post #750

[Chrimi]

And why am I scum exactly?

D: Vijay died! But I finally got to play another game with him...

Makes me wonder who his scum partner was... Brb, going to ISO him.

[Chrimi]

@ Fat Tony: I don't understand that unvote. Are you claiming that you knew Chrimi was going to vote Kondi?

By the way, note the Chrimi-OMGUS.

Anyway, I still want kondi lynched. Kass is probably scum, so is Chrimi. But kondi gets rope today.

[Chrimi]

That is why I am not his partner.

I was on the wagon that lynched the werewolf.

Happy now?

[Chrimi]

VOTE: Thomith

Most viable scum to me at the moment.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

That is why I am not his partner.

I was on the wagon that lynched the werewolf.

Happy now?

No because you are scum. Face it. You all bus each other no one notices it. Its quite easy and obvious to do. Face it you get into a 3 way Lylo with town and wolf you win. GG

[asher1611]

As far as I can see, Day 2 was complete amateur hour by Team WOLF. I will add that they did a great job for the town by killing Vijay. Personally, I didn't have much of a scum read on him at all -- I'm sure others did. But now that the Vijay = Mafia info is out there, that is a huge boon in info for the town to work with.

But I want to point to one particular post from Day 2 that caught my eye. Not enough people pay attention to the voting record, or at least they do not know what to do with it when it is sitting in front of them. And I do believe the other wolf slipped up and exposed himself to the rest of the town (not in that way, pervert).

Sorry for my lack there of doing anything. Been weird this week. Either way Chimi's twisting words of others

and Kondi (is a wolf)

Nice to see nothings really happened. and HypoSeer has died.

Don't like Chimi still

VOTE: Chimi

Compare the two statements with me:

"Kondi (is a wolf)" = I know this person is scum.
"Don't like Chimi still" = I believe this person is scum

As town, you should vote for what you see as true. Here, Elmo voted for the lesser of his scum reads. Note this was at L-2. Kondi's plan was to self hammer, and Elmo did not want to look like he was on that bus and/or bring attention/suspicion to himself In the alternative, he did not want to vote off his only scum partner.

Instead, he waffled (nomnomnom). He spoke too much and justified his Chrimi vote while also saying he agreed with the totally justified wagon that was building on Kondi. The smarter play would have been to be ruthless and to cut your losses from your scum partner who had obviously, to use the poker/pinball term, "gone tilt." Or, in layman's terms, he should have tried to distance himself from the scum partner that screwed up. Instead? He limped in with a vote for Chrimi in the very post where he said Kondi was his stronger scum read.

Gargantuan scum tell.

Never mind, Elmo literally can't be a Werewolf after that. He wouldn't be able to resist the temptation to vote me as a wagoned up, claimed Seer.

I'm completely fine with a Chrimi vote until I can get my notes up. VOTE: Chrimi

Kondi was terrible, just TERRIBLE with his fake role claim. He panicked because he misread the situation and thought someone was breadcrumbing instead of simply trying to deny and discredit. Very poor scum play. So it is only logical to believe that someone who has gone tilt/lost focus at this point of the game would make other such terrible scum plays. Like jumping in the post immediately after Elmo to say (to paraphrase) "OH BY THE WAY, ELMO'S NOT A WEREWOLF." This, combined with Elmo's non-vote on Kondi outlined above makes me feel that Elmo is Kondi's wolf scum partner.

VOTE: Elmo teh Azn

[Chrimi]

Beautiful.

+points to asher

[Chrimi]

I especially liked the nomnomnom waffles part.

[Kassadin]

vote:elmo

I agree with Asher

Sorry for my lack there of doing anything. Been weird this week. Either way Chimi's twisting words of others and Kondi (is a wolf) Nice to see nothings really happened. and HypoSeer has died.
Don't like Chimi still
VOTE: Chimi

[Om of the Nom]

Asher makes great points. I agree with him completely.
VOTE: Elmo Teh AzN

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Wow so because I go against the grain and didn't hope on the obvious bandwagon of Kondi Im a wolf. GENIUS!
Also nice misrep there Asher. No one knew for sure Kondi was a wolf and the reason it was in parenthesis is because I believe Chimi had said it? But nice to see everyones sheeping Asher now for towncred as well.

[Fat_Tony]

Pffft. I'd noticed this stuff D2 but it didn't seem profitable to say it when we already had the right wagon going. Kondi was super clumsy with that one. Was waiting til I had PC access to get a proper writeup done, but seems like my jobs been done. Bear in mind that hunting down werewolves doesn't mean people aren't scum, likewise hunting mafia. They have to bet each other and don't know who they are.

I like this Elmo lynch but I think it's way too soon and too risky to put him to L-1 just yet. We should at least draw it out and try to draw info from the remaining scum. But I'm convinced Elmo is a wolf after Kondi's botch.

[asher1611]

I like this Elmo lynch but I think it's way too soon and too risky to put him to L-1 just yet. We should at least draw it out and try to draw info from the remaining scum. But I'm convinced Elmo is a wolf after Kondi's botch.

That's prudent, especially when wolves love to self hammer and especially with what I'm about to post.

Wow so because I go against the grain and didn't hope on the obvious bandwagon of Kondi Im a wolf.[/b] GENIUS!
Also nice misrep there Asher.

No one knew for sure Kondi was a wolf

and the reason it was in parenthesis is because I believe Chimi had said it? But nice to see everyones sheeping Asher now for towncred as well.

In another world you may be raising valid points, and here you are correct to draw attention to people who are simply sheeping my reasoning for voting for you. But there is just one big thing you have going against you...

You got seer'd last night by me. The result was werewolf.

BOOMSHAKALAKA

I dare someone to attempt to counterclaim. I also dare someone to cry Spartacus at me. I targeted Emlo specifically for what I posted previously, plus what his slot did on Day 1. And if people are going to try and discredit me, as inevitably they will, let me give you four reasons why my claim is credible:

1) There is one werewolf left and I found him. By presenting the info to the town we remove any further risk of a night kill.
2) By presenting this info to the town, it gives the town one confirmed town member and increases the odds of lynching mafia in future days.
3) Look at how I pressed Slandaar's claim in day 1. Look at how I pressed Kondi's claim in day 2. I didn't go as heavy handed day 2 because I didn't want to make it obvious that I was the seer. Looks like it worked, because I wasn't the NK target. I'm curious if I was one of Kondi's reads.
4) Most importantly: even if the town does not believe my claim and I get lynched today, I will flip seer and the town will know I was being honest about Elmo being a werewolf.

Please don't put Elmo at L-1 without first giving others a chance to counter-claim. He'll self hammer and deny the town valuable information.

[Chrimi]

Hmm.

I don't like that. The last two people who claimed seer got lynched.

A scum would not claim at this time..

Although, if it is true, then claiming seer will be fine because without a werewolf there is no night kill.

However, I believe you still may be mafia trying to get rid of the other wolf (you found out who it is) so you are pretending to be seer to get him lynched.

All possibilities, my friend.

[Om of the Nom]

However, I believe you still may be mafia trying to get rid of the other wolf (you found out who it is) so you are pretending to be seer to get him lynched.

Because even if Asher is mafia we should still lynch a wolf. No wolves = No NK = More available mislynches in case town is silly.

[Chrimi]

No NK = Less info for town

Less info for town = further from finding the scum

Which means he can get everybody mislynched. He'd have to be fucking pro, but it's possible.

[Om of the Nom]

Yes NK = Less town to use the info

[asher1611]

One of the best exchanges I have seen in this thread is as follows:

No NK = Less info for town

Yes NK = Less town to use the info

OmNom makes the winning town argument. Not to mention I have yet to see anyone use night kill info in their analysis in this game or any other game on this site for the short time I have been here. Mafia would rather avoid night kills because there is a possibility of getting knocked down to having only 1 member left. Town would not want night kills because obviously it means more town will die. Seeing as there is much more town than mafia at the moment, it is a very pro-mafia statement to say it is a bad thing to eliminate night kills from this game.

FOS: Chrimi

[Fat_Tony]

Holy crap, Chrimi, are you seriously suggesting we should avoid the wolf to allow for NK? Look, this doesn't immediately confirm Asher as town, he could just be scum that noticed the same stuff I did. Don't fear a counterclaim from me, it won't be coming, but the litmus test is if we lynch Elmo and he (miraculously) flips town, we then know Asher is either scum or wolf. It would make no sense for him as a wolf, so we can discount that. As scum... Well, he'd better hope Elmo flips wolf, because if he flips ANYTHING else then Asher is our lynch D4.

The scenarios where Asher could fake claim are unlikely - he'd have to be super SUPER sure that Elmo was wolf. Until Elmo flips I'm not gonna clear Asher, but I see no reason not to buy this claim, myself. We should, as I have said, though, continue to scum hunt for a few more days at least, as any info to get the remaining mafia can only be good for town.

pedit: ninjad

[asher1611]

Hmm.

I don't like that. The last two people who claimed seer got lynched.

A scum would not claim at this time..

Although, if it is true, then claiming seer will be fine because without a werewolf there is no night kill.

However, I believe you still may be mafia trying to get rid of the other wolf (you found out who it is)

so you are pretending to be seer to get him lynched.

All possibilities, my friend.

I'll start from the top:

The last two people that claimed seer got lynched in part because I knew they were not seer. Slandaar made an idiotic, anti-town fake claim to try and save himself from the fire he had already thrown himself into. Kondi was scum who didn't know how to react when someone called them scum. I voted for both because they lied about being the seer.

Scum would not claim at this time, yet I might be scum: so that is some delicious wine you are putting in front of yourself?

Obviously, once the seer has found the last wolf it is safe to claim seer and out the last wolf. I bread-crumbed very heavily in the post where I voted Elmo, and I wanted to gauge his reaction before claiming. No would would indeed equal no kill, and I would be able to use my power role to parlay an unwritten power: confirming my role would give the entire town the info that I am town -- which in this setup with no nightkills and only two mafia alive puts the town in a commanding position.

But think about it from the perspective of if I was mafia for a minute. It would be a ballsy gambit, but there would be significant risks about getting it wrong re: Elmo. If he doesn't flip wolf, the mafioso is exposed. It does create a huge distraction for the town, but it would inevitably leave the mafia hoping for a 1-1 or 1-1-1 scenario to win the game.

And if I am not the seer but instead mafia, then it is in the true seer's best interest to step up and claim if s/he knows who the last wolf is or to come out now and discredit me if s/he does not know who the last wolf is.

However, as I said before, I am the town seer.

I played the first day to draw just enough suspicion to avoid getting NK'd or lynched. I pushed both seer fake claims pretty much as soon as I saw them. I reported my findings as soon as it was safe to.

And if you ISO me, you will find I breadcrumbed nothing from Day 2. That's because my Night 1 investigation was Drmyshotgun. Yeah, that turned out well but to be honest it was between him and Kondi. I would have investigated Kondi next if something drastic didn't happen Day 2. Turns out Kondi did my work for me, leaving me to only look for his scum partner.

PEdit: Tony, pretty much right on the $ re: if Elmo doesn't flip wolf.

[Thomith]

I have a feeling one of them is a bus and the other is mafia.

So you think both kass and chrimi are some kind of mafia?

also elmo, the others have a point, in the post that was quoted you seemed to know kondi was a wolf, and now you said "oh nobody was sure" that doesn't add up, and the seer claim makes me want to vote you more,
does anyone have any objections to me putting elmo at L-1?

[asher1611]

I have a feeling one of them is a bus and the other is mafia.

So you think both kass and chrimi are some kind of mafia?

also elmo, the others have a point, in the post that was quoted you seemed to know kondi was a wolf, and now you said "oh nobody was sure" that doesn't add up, and the seer claim makes me want to vote you more,

does anyone have any objections to me putting elmo at L-1?

I object only because the wolves have shown they'll self hammer. Give it a little more time, I think there are people who have not posted since I claimed Seer.

[Fat_Tony]

I object. Same reasons as Asher, plus it'll allow any scum player not already on the wagon to hammer and stop discussion. Think I already made this point twice.

Keeping an eye on Thomith, been struggling to get a good read on him and this does feel scummy, but not at all sure about him yet. Pretty sure Chrimi is mafia.