@Deas. Okay, I can roll with this.
On Reck. I'm pretty sure Reck isn't the only one to speculate that scum can mess with the process through out the course of the game because that discussion started early Day 2 with Fonz's flip. Heck, Hito also had a scummy so either scum is really lucky or knows who has the scummies based on voting groups. This question should have been asked first thing. Which group gave out Best Replacement?
On MoI. The way he pushed Ajax (when scum wouldn't have to) can only lead me to conclude he's town. Since this is Team Mafia, you get more point by having more of your team survive. If MoI was scum he could have easily let the Ajax wagon die and one of the counterwagons would have been lynched instead. I can't see him being anything but town.
On Zar since you mentioned him to incriminate scum, Zar's a town read, you weren't getting my support for that lynch. You probably weren't getting MoI's. Hito was on vacation, may or may not have gotten his vote, especially since he had a sudden hard-on for me. Obviously weren't getting Zar's vote. That's 4 of 9 you weren't getting, so getting the other 5 to agree would have been a long shot yesterday. I forgot what my point was. Someone help me out here.
Ninja'd on BBmolla. Need to read that post, but here's a post for you Deas anyway.
TM2012: Scummies 2011.5 - Let the credits roll!
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First off, let me just say how much I love when people do complete 180s on their reads.
Second off, have I been scatterbrained and not given much of a shit this game? Yeah, I have. You wanna know why? Because I really haven't given much of a damn about TM2012 at all, nor any other game I've played recently. But when our team got shoved in the Vi game, despite specifically requesting NOT to be in the Vi game, we all got a few points of morale docked. When SpyreX drew scum withLady Lambdadelta and fucking chesskid, we all got our morale docked even further. When Fate drew masons with Untrod Tripod, we held out hope -- but then he wound up dead N1, AND SO DID HIS MASONBUDDY, and at that point all four of us really couldn't be assed to give much of a shit anymore. Now I'm trying to not just put my brain on autopilot this game, I really am. So, I'll humor your responses.
Regarding my play being "typical scum who doesn't want to bus": I think you'll find that anyone who has played against me as scum or with me as scum on this site will attest that when I'm scum, not only do I not give a fuck about bussing, I goddamnthriveon it. I think you'll also find that my scum play certainly doesn't fit the descriptor of "typical scum", and you've even admitted as much in this game, that I would "do better".
Regarding posts 641/644/646:
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Bussing might not give you max points, but it shouldn't be excluded. Say, MoI has a unsavory team lineup and needed to go obvtown, bussing a scummate d1 would be the easiest way. It's near impossible to not lynch a scum before town will possibly lose, esp. With strong town players like hito and fonz.
Also I wish to ask a WIFOMish question for everyone: why wasn't hito killed n1, and fonz instead? What changed between N1 and last night that made him killed?Its just whatever-
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Theam, I don't really see the importance of your question. It could either have been something to do with Fonz getting Best Newbie or Hito being suspected by Magua and myself if I were to guess.
Although, scum may not have even decided to kill Hito because it was a bodyguard role handed out by 1C (me, KK, molla) and I my vote went to Quilford (we didn't discuss who to give it to). I do think, however, that scum probably did have hito as their kill target.-
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Spoiler: D1 VC
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Some conclusions:
D1 VC1
- Is a slight point away of Reck/Ajax. Mafia likes to bus each other, but it's rather uncommon for them to call on each other's attention on RVS.
D1 VC5
- Seems unlikely that both votes on Quilford come from scum. Ruling out Ajax/theam.
- Also seeming unlikely Ajax/MoI/DV; very improbable for all the scum to be on a buddy this early on.
- Molla's vote on Gaoth puts both wagons closer, though.
D1 VC6
- Evened out wagons by Reck's vote.
D1 VC7
- Molla hops out of Gaoth into Ajax, separating the wagons by 2.
D1 VC8
- Ajax tries to consolidate another wagon other than his own, (one he's been focusing on)
- MoI hops out of the Ajax Wagon, dropping the difference between both wagons by 1
D1 VC11
- points to at least 1 Ajax-Buddy among {DeasVail/BBMolla/T-Bone/MoI};
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FINISHED POST:
First off, let me just say how much I love when people do complete 180s on their reads.
Second off, have I been scatterbrained and not given much of a shit this game? Yeah, I have. You wanna know why? Because I really haven't given much of a damn about TM2012 at all, nor any other game I've played recently. But when our team got shoved in the Vi game, despite specifically requesting NOT to be in the Vi game, we all got a few points of morale docked. When SpyreX drew scum withLady Lambdadelta and fucking chesskid, we all got our morale docked even further. When Fate drew masons with Untrod Tripod, we held out hope -- but then he wound up dead N1, AND SO DID HIS MASONBUDDY, and at that point all four of us really couldn't be assed to give much of a shit anymore. Now I'm trying to not just put my brain on autopilot this game, I really am.
Regarding my play being "typical scum who doesn't want to bus": I think you'll find that anyone who has played against me as scum or with me as scum on this site will attest that when I'm scum, not only do I not give a fuck about bussing, I goddamnthriveon it. I think you'll also find that my scum play certainly doesn't fit the descriptor of "typical scum", and you've even admitted as much in this game, that I would "do better".
Regarding posts 641/644/646: As the game went on, it seems less likely scum have a permanent way to fuck with results, especially after there were no more Scummies to give out D3. I went into this game under the assumption we'd be judging every day, and so scum having an ability to fuck with that shit the only two nights town can give stuff out seemed less likely. I don't doubt they had SOME way to interfere, but I don't think it was as permanent as I'd originally thought.
Regarding me "tryharding" in Team Mafia:See above.
Regarding me not being passionate about a Zar lynch:Yeah, I know, I pussyfooted around the wagon. IIRC hito also had scumthoughts about KK as well, but to be completely honest, I rarely go "well my town read thinks XYZ so that means ABC is false". I try to develop my own thoughts about lynches, and yeah, I wasn't so hot on a Zar lynch because I had actual concrete reasons on KK past just "he's scummy".green shirt thursdays-
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↑ xRECKONERx wrote:I wasn't so hot on a Zar lynch because I had actual concrete reasons on KK past just "he's scummy".
This contradicts with your posting Day 3, which indicated you preferred a Zar lynch, justifying your move to lynching KK with "I'm clearly not getting a Zar lynch today"-
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↑ xRECKONERx wrote:you've even admitted as much in this game, that I would "do better".
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58 comes across as really townish to me. I imagine scum would more likely fit in or try and do something pro-town to begin with. Meanwhile, not really being able to read anyone is something I imagine would be likely from town, and scum would probably avoid it in fear of looking scummy.
I get the overall impression that he's honest in his posting and I just think he's town. I will probably reconsider if molla is town, but I'm thinking molla is the scum we're looking for. Reading hito's vote T-bone post makes me less sure as well, but I think I'll stick with a townread.
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I'm sticking with a townread on him too.
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The big scummy thing about him that I just can't get over is his inclusion of himself in his lists of people off the wagon, and later of justification of it. Most of what I said yesterday still applies too, but I am starting to get a bit of a townread on him again.
Basically, I'm most sure of BBmolla, I think Reck could be scum too, and other people are my backup options.-
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↑ DeasVail wrote:Theam, I don't really see the importance of your question. It could either have been something to do with Fonz getting Best Newbie or Hito being suspected by Magua and myself if I were to guess.
Although, scum may not have even decided to kill Hito because it was a bodyguard role handed out by 1C (me, KK, molla) and I my vote went to Quilford (we didn't discuss who to give it to). I do think, however, that scum probably did have hito as their kill target.
No. By what they said, D2, Group A's award was given to Fonz completely by scum. If that is so, then what reason is there to choose hito over fonz? More people suspected Fonz than hito here, including MoIIts just whatever-
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So far we have
1A MoI, Reck, T-Bone,Quilford,Captain Ajax-> Gave out Best Newbie
1BHito,The Fonz, Zar, theam,Magua-> Gave out Smooth Operator
1CKK, DeasVail, BBMolla -> Gave out Best Replacement
2A MoI, T-Bone,Quilford, Zar ->
2BHito,Magua, BBMolla, theam -> Gave out Best IC
2CKK, DeasVail, Reck ->
If we go by MoI's assumption, (that scum wouldn't be put in a position in which they can control any group), then it's fair to assume that:
{MoI + T-Bone}
{MoI + Reck}
{Reck + T-Bone}
{DeasVail + BBMolla}
{DeasVail + Reck}
{BBMolla + theam}
are all ruled out as potential partnerships.
Which gives us the following possible pairings to look into:
DeasVail + MoI
DeasVail + T-Bone
DeasVail + theam
MoI + theam
MoI + BBMolla
Reck + theam
Reck + BBMolla
T-Bone + theam
T-Bone + BBMolla
theam + BBMolla
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