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Alright, read the thread (as in sorta skimmed it and skipped a lot of Shawn and Sakura's posts). Will be rereading deeper later, along with analysis of interactions.

Right now my top suspect is Marangal. I've yet to look over the ISO though so give me a while to consolidate my thoughts.

lol, Why am I not surprised?

Dino, what do you think of TIP?

I think 107, 324, and 712 are bad and he should feel bad (seems to care way too much about his image). Had a pretty high scumread on him mid day 1 but now he's moved to null, as I can easily see a newbie doing pretty much everything he's done here, including the 'paranoia'.

On you, Marangal, I can see the parts that are just playstyle but what worries me is that you were just pointing out all the towns throughout Day 1, only settling on Shawn (and then switching to TIP and resettling on Shawn) after the wagon formed on him. Seems very sheepy to me, trying to help with the wagon without being blamed for it. I've tried looking over meta but unfortunately this sort of play isn't common for you, town or scum.

Hey, not sure about your guys's opinions on this, but may I suggest hypocopping/hypotracking? According to setup there is definitely either a cop or a tracker. The only problem I'd see is that the mafia know which one it is, so we'd have to say something for both.

I'm pretty sure this is the old Setup Dino... not the new one. This game started before the new setup was finalized

They did up a new Newbie setup?
Awesome, the one we're playing under is sub par.

Yep, this is one of the last Newbie games using the 20f4. Welcome, Mathdino.

Darn it. Scratch that then.

I want to know exactly why Monty is scum (post #s if possible). I can easily see his actions and mind changing coming from town, as I had basically the exact thoughts as he has had while reading day 1.

Okay so this post, this post, and this post Looks like noobscum play to me. The whole 'not reading the thread' is a playstyle tell though, not indicative of alignment. So that makes Commando and Marangal my top suspects.

In post 744, Ms Marangal wrote:Commando is pretty open with his thoughts, when he posts it's short but you know what he's thinking. That's something I find to be a town-tell of sorts. He also dared to go for a no lynch (which is always a bad idea) regardless of the kinds of criticism he would have gotten

Sorry for the triple post (still finding new stuff to look at in the game). I think a more experienced scum would be the type to really think about how his opinions might generate criticism, so I'll have to strongly disagree with the NL coming from town. Disagreeing with the first sentence as well, I'd like it if you'd explain this more. Because a lot of his posts seem to just want to criticise the IC, with the NL being so that he gets cred for going against the Shawn lynch (switching back when people were wondering why he wanted NL).

In post 759, Mathdino wrote:Okay so this post, this post, and this post

really really suck.

Looks like noobscum play to me. The whole 'not reading the thread' is a playstyle tell though, not indicative of alignment. So that makes Commando and Marangal my top suspects.

Just so I can know for the future, how do these posts appear as "noobscum play"? The last one you indicated, in particular, was not based on anything but a person's ISO coupled with the overall game. What do you look for when attempting to locate scum?

Sorry, I should have explained myself there. Generally blaming the guy who started a wagon is setting things up for a huge WIFOM debate, and it looks like he's just grasping at reasons to attack the IC. It goes nicely with the 2nd post I indicated. No experienced scum would try to do that as they know it's a bad reason to suspect someone, so I think it's noobscum play.

What do I look for? Generally behaviour overall more than specific wording of posts. Who people suspect and for what reasons, how they interact and see those around them. I also tend to look at meta but I obviously won't be able to do much of that this game.

In post 753, Mathdino wrote:On you, Marangal, I can see the parts that are just playstyle but what worries me is that you were just pointing out all the towns throughout Day 1, only settling on Shawn (and then switching to TIP and resettling on Shawn) after the wagon formed on him. Seems very sheepy to me, trying to help with the wagon without being blamed for it. I've tried looking over meta but unfortunately this sort of play isn't common for you, town or scum.

Explain this part? I don't think I ever called anything shawn did scummy until I moved my vote on him. I could swear that, the majority of the first day I was actually trying to defend him from the forming wagon then I did a double take and placed him back at L-1. I also remember only having called out TIP and Monty as scum, everyone else I had pegged as town or null

Elaborate on commando scum? I can see 731 as a probable noob scum tell though I don't see how 338 and 704 are noob scum tells. What do you see there that I don't? I particularly saw it as null.

as for my read on Monty isn't an easy one to explain. He isn't particularly doing bad play, I think he's actually doing fairly decent however posts like 586, 590, and 607 rub me the wrong way

In post 763, Ms Marangal wrote:

In post 753, Mathdino wrote: as for my read on Monty isn't an easy one to explain. He isn't particularly doing bad play, I think he's actually doing fairly decent however posts like 586, 590, and 607 rub me the wrong way

If you could elaborate a little, that would be cool. If you can't explain the read, it would probably be a fantastic idea to not voice it without backing it up. Those posts specifically I can't see anything wrong with, though I am of course biased. What do you think about Irishscum?

Sorry, that's for you, MM. Didn't format right.

Don't have time, I'll be back Tuesday and maybe Wednesday for some of you guys

Don't have time, I'll be back Tuesday and maybe Wednesday for some of you guys

Well, so much for the most active game. How's everyone doing?

I'd like to see a few more votes in play, frankly.

In post 739, TheIrishPope wrote:

In post 736, Nekoko wrote:Never seen any suspicious post from Thor665. He obviously made a good case against shawn.
His scum hunting looks natural and doesn't look fake so I'm inclined to think he's town.

I actually like her vote on Shawn. It doesn't look suspicious to me. I don't agree with TIP's
claim that MM joined the wagon to blend in or something. Voting for the player she
previously thought was town would actually make her suspicious to other players so she's town.

And commandodude is probably noob town.

So I actually think scum could be here [MontyWhittaker, sycorax, TheIrishPope] by PoE.

TheIrishPope is my top suspect though.

VOTE: Nekoko

VOTE: TheIrishPope

1. I never changed my read on you. I think you're probably scum.
I didn't forget that you reacted badly when I tried to tell you to vote
your suspect early in the game.

2. I didn't forget that you unvoted when the pressure is on Shawn.
It looks like you were too conscious of your image and you were
afraid because Shawn is town.

3.

In post 586, MontyWhittaker wrote:So, let's play a fun game while we wait. Let's say that Shawn's claim convinces you unequivocally that he is town. Who do you cast your suspicions on next? This question is for the group, no need for so many hands to go up at once...

In post 587, TheIrishPope wrote:Interesting question indeed. If he is town, Commandodude is most certainly town as well, and I would be lost. Possible: Thor, Nekoko, Sycorax, in no particular order.
And you, Monty?

I like how you said earlier in Day 2 that sycorax is confirmed town and
I'm probably town but previously on D1 you said you will suspect the two of us.

4. Not really liking how you base your town or scum read on activity levels.

5. lol @ voting your 70% town read