Mini 1558 - VisCon: Crossroads [Game Over]

[Majiffy]

Off to shower, drink, and then possibly karaoke heartily until the wee hours of the morn'.

Peace.

[Desperado]

I really don't think we need your vote to lynch him so QED

[Majiffy]

Then again, i'm bad at this game.

Well we knew that much.

[Majiffy]

I'll probably shoot Kalimar next jsyk.

[SXTLHGaiden]

Yet, you didn't kill me. You wanted me this far. You knew how I was after Frozen. Yet, here I am.
I am a non-threat. I am a quickhammerer. I will vote stupidly. Yet, here I am.

[Majiffy]

Jesus fucking Christ are you even town?

Because if you have a town role PM, stop fucking bitching.

If you want to admit to having a scum role PM, I'll gladly fucking kill you.

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 3.2

notscience [2] - Kalimar, Desperado
Desperado [1] - Majiffy

Not Voting [5]

- Brian Skies SXTLHGaiden pieguyn notscience borkjerfkin

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

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Deadline is April 15, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-04-15 13:00:00)

[borkjerfkin]

I'll probably shoot Kalimar next jsyk.

You can't do this if we don't hit scum today (and he's not really one of my top picks either - why is he for you?)

If we lynch town on the neil wagon you need to shoot on the neil wagon or we probably lose.

Unless pie is scum, in which case we're just kinda boned I think.

[Majiffy]

718-720 is just a bunch of empty bullshit busywork.

[Kalimar]

heh. i actually felt inspired to read through and see if i could figure the game out. i shook the apathy for a brief moment, had a burst of energy and now i've relapsed into meh again.

anyway, lynch notscience or offer a counter-proposal. just assume if it's a townlynch it's already game over.

[Majiffy]

anyway, lynch notscience or offer a counter-proposal. just assume if it's a townlynch it's already game over.

Who are you speaking to here, me? Or the whole playerlist?

I'm already voting Desperado.

[SXTLHGaiden]

I would be up for a Desp lynch.

[Kalimar]

that bit was to everyone.

[Brian Skies]

If FakeGod wanted you two to be confirmed town he'd have made you masons.

Sometimes. Except when he does that he puts a town vig and a town doc together and makes them lovers.

I see zero reason to think 'hey these are characters that I've seen before in exactly two other games, confirmed town end of discussion' and not even attempt to question that.

Based on flavor, I have reason to believe Desp is who he says he is. And I have a good enough grasp on VisCon flavor to know that his role is likely to be a doc role (which he claimed to me). The last time I checked, Lizen wasn't a shady character, and unless something huge happened in the VisCon universe, I don't see Lizen dabbling with cultists and the like.

Regarding Desp's actual play, I've seen Desp play three times (not counting Empire's large because I haven't bothered reading any of it). In the one game he was town, he was more aggressive and tunneled his scumread (in this game that would be Bait). In his scum games, he was a lot more passive and seemed more interested in ingratiating himself with the playerslist early on. I haven't seen any of that here.

In our QT, we've shared reads and although we haven't had the same reads, they have been similar. The reasoning he's given me for his reads also seem to come from a town mindset to me.

Do I think it's possible for Desp to be scum stringing me along? Yes. Do I think it's likely here? No. Desp was telling me in our QT that he has lost motivation and just wanted to lynch Bait. I told him I was concerned about Who and wanted to investigate him. Regardless of whichever kill belongs to the scum-team, I don't see Desp-scum making either of those kills.

this massclaim thing hasn't even approached 'breaking the game'

Now that I think about it, I think Desp probably just confused Muffin's set-up spec in Desert Kingdom with the flavor spec I used in that game (which was just used for me to actually start caring and try to find scum; and all it did was confirm Elyse as Lizen for me that game).

I'm actually feeling a little better about Gaiden lately

What about Gaiden's recent play do you like?

I'm pretty underwhelmed by Brian this game; he struck me as a much stronger player than this in the game that I was scum and buddied the fuck out of him. Can't remember which game that was.

Yeah, I can't remember which game that was either. People seem to have this high standard for my play but I'm barely mediocre. I mean, I didn't even really show up until like Day 2 of that game.

Did town try to break the second game with flavor?

Flavor was involved, but it was mostly set-up spec.

That doesn't matter. If you take Pie's claim to be true, then killing anyone on the neil wagon does the following:
1. Removes someone who you think would be useless at this stage in the game (me).
2. Ends with 2 scum in a 3 person pool at worst. Even at mylo, this is favorable. This gives 2/3 odds to lynch scum, then you shoot the last person and bam 2 dead scum and likely you would die too since you would have to claim the vig shot if town was hit. Still 2 for 1 trade is quite good.

Am I missing something here?

I don't think his play was suboptimal. There are only four people left on the Konowa wagon (with Majiffy being one of them) and it makes more sense to just try and lynch the scum on the wagon than shoot it.

The only way this makes sense is if Brian and I are scum together and we planned on claiming pseudo-masons from the beginning, which begs the question--why wouldn't we just claim masons?

Because neighbors protects your ass if one of you flips scum.

Except Kalimar said Giffy offered to claim masons with Kalimar, and it's something none of us four have actually done. Desp and I haven't claimed masons, we've just been betting on each other being town.

That's cool. Was Kalimar on the wagon? Because I wouldn't mind lynching him.

Is there a reason you're scumreading him?

Answered later.

You could have confirmed it yourself by killing pie N2. A town flip would imply that we have no reason to doubt the claim and it would have put us at mylo with 50% to lynch scum. However, if you had claimed the vig shot at pie, then you pretty much conftown yourself since scum would be insane to put themselves in a position where most of the would die. So we would actually have 2/3 odds of lynching scum.

I don't understand what you're doing. Unless you're counterclaiming him and think he's scum, we don't have the option of lynching Majiffy because of the threat of a 3-man scum-team.

Sucks for you guys, then, cuz I have a town read on NS.

Why?

[Majiffy]

It might just be his playstyle, but I almost always townread NS. Also I don't think I've seen scum NS.

[SXTLHGaiden]

lol brian. Just cause a character is town one game doesn't mean they will be town in the next. You saw the wingate thing (granted the shift was scum to town, but the idea still applies.).
Also, Desp's push that "I have this character i must be town" is funny.

[FakeGod]

Prodded notscience.

[pieguyn]

I really don't have anything to say

I'm ok with NS

[notscience]

I'm ok with NS

[Majiffy]

I'm ok with NS

[FakeGod]

Prodded Desperado.

[Brian Skies]

lol brian. Just cause a character is town one game doesn't mean they will be town in the next. You saw the wingate thing (granted the shift was scum to town, but the idea still applies.).

Have you not been reading? I said I thought Desp was town based on play and the flavor was just asserting that read.

[Desperado]

I'm here. Waiting to lynch NS.

[Kalimar]

boom boom boom

[SXTLHGaiden]

I vote we lynch someone who was on the niel wagon unless we have cause to believe that pie is scum who is lying to us.