↑ THE WRONG WAGON wrote::thumbs up:
ALSO HI NACHOOOO. I MISSED YOU TOO AND YOU'RE HYDRA'ING WITH PLOTI SO THIS MAKES ME VERY HAPPEH.
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I've been excited about this game for a long time, especially getting to finally hydra with Plot! Our hydra name and signature feel perfect together, and I'm really excited at how our two play styles will blend; I feel like Plot is able to cover some of my weaknesses (they are thorough and consistent where I am not, they are better at collecting a lot of different information and putting it in one place, they are better are getting information from cold meta reads than I am), and I've been good and patient and keeping my number of games down and actually have enough time to play and put enough effort, so I feel like I'm in a good place for this game.
↑ THE WRONG WAGON wrote:Alright, so far I haven't seen anything out of place for Nacho. So I'm unsure why you're focusing him for a sort so early on. Also then there's the fact Ploti is in that hydra too.
Sakura is one of those players who tends to focus on me first if we're in a playerlist together.
↑ beeboy wrote:Although I have come to the realization that despite disagreeing with all your play as soon as I said I town read you it isn't necessarily scummy it is just not good town play. It is towny to discredit a town read on yourself in my opinion which makes me want to believe you are town, but I could also see this as an attempt at looking aggressive since I don't like your reason for discrediting it and how you discredited it which is scum. I want to sort more but since you aren't necessarily scum 1v1ing isn't how I want to do it.
Liking this post a lot; in particular, it shows good depth in his thought process pretty early on (there's no reason for beeboy as scum to drop his Sakura scumread and move to seniors unless he's afraid of Sakura, which doesn't seem like it's the case). I liked the way he handled Friendless Seniors earlier, seems like the same sort of tone I'd adopt as town with someone who I like but was trying to read.
↑ Skybird wrote: ↑ True Ogre wrote:True Ogre exists.
Witholding vote for now, not convinced that major conversationalists contain scum.
However Seniors could certainly be scum with what they've said so far and I like beeboy for the push. So I'm conflicted as I don't really buy the Sakura-scum argument but will entertain it.
Like Wrong Lynch's posting quantity so far, but the quality is lukewarm. Also waiting to see more from nacho-hydra, although I like the question he did ask.
Axelrod also involved in hydra-discussion after some comments in 56, 61, 68 which appear quite defensive/elusive. Keeping an eye on.
Skybird, greetings to your ancestors. What do you think of davesaz' posting so far? I would like to compare impressions.
I've played one or two games with Dave but not too recently. I liked his entrance. He jumped in and questioned something he saw. I also agreed with post 90 where he saw BeeBoy's buddy question as a potential trap. I read it the same way. Overall I'm leaning town on him. How about you? What do you think? Any players that stick out good or bad?
Skybird, why do you reach out to True Ogre first?
↑ SirCakez wrote:Don't like Beeboy's flipflop on Sakura. Felt like there was no dedication or serious belief in it with how fast he got on and off.
Seniors's Snarky vote is bad as well. Not enough to justify it and Snarky is definitely not someone you get a serious scumread on from one post.
I think that you're making a mistake and being overly critical of early votes; I wouldn't expect beeboy to have serious belief or dedication on a read he formed on page 5; likewise, I disagree with all concerned parties that the Snarky vote by Seniors was suspicious. It was early game, Seniors placed an easy vote. It's fine for pressing early.
↑ Axelrod wrote:So, so far, I like Mirhawk, and I like Sir Cakes. I also really like TicTac's first post.
I am not a fan of Sakura, or Davesaz.
@Sakura: (per post #64) did you
really
think that I was advocating for a "policy" lynch of all Hydras? Really?
@Davesaz: please explain to me how you feel I "pulled back" on "the Hydra thing" (post #69). Do you think I am advocating for a policy lynch of all Hydras?
Wrong Lynch is fine
Unvote
. Pied Piper is also fine. Friendless Seniors hasn't done anything.
@Beeboy: when you say you know how Friendless Seniors would react to you, are you talking about one of the hydra heads in particular? Or is this a Hydra that you have played with before? I don't get your conviction given that Seniors hasn't done much of anything.
I'm not sure why you have different reads on THE WRONG LYNCH and Sakura here; if I remember correctly, both of them thought that your "policy lynch of all hydras" thing was serious, and that's the only reason you give for disliking Sakura.
I agree with the Mirhawk and Sir Cakes reads at this very moment; I thought Mirhawk's aggression was pretty reasonable towards dave early game (although I don't really agree with it; dave is like that sometimes), and I like SirCakes bucking against beeboy early game, considering he was the only player who was active and aggressive at that time and bucking against it seemed like a pretty decent move if scum.
↑ tictac wrote: ↑ beeboy wrote:Tictac what part of my read on seniors is fake and scummy?
The part where you have a strong read on a slot that hasn't done anything.
How is this difficult to get?
Originally, you said that beeboy's push seemed exaggerated to the point where it wasn't supposed to look serious, hence not alignment indicative. I agreed with this; when did you change your mind?
↑ Friendless Seniors wrote:
True Ogre's entrance post is pretty balls.
Withholding vote is fine, ESPECIALLY not after beeboy tells him to vote us and then ogre does.
Look at how terrible withholding vote is there. Ogre OPENLY admits to being unsure of people that they want to sort, that they are considering to maybe be scum, and then just... doesn't vote. nope.
"I will entertain Sakura argument" is basically saying "I don't want to commit yet (which is fine) but i'm not gonna do anything about it (which isn't fine)"
"keeping an eye on axelrod" uh huh.
I don't like this read.
True Ogre's entrance post said that he was town reading beeboy and considering following him onto seniors. He also says that he's considering Axelrod as scum. Beeboy, his townread that he's considering sheeping says "beeboy! sheep me!". He follows. What exactly is unreasonable about that?
↑ Spiffeh wrote:That's stupid sorry
PEdit: It's fine for an initial read but I'm not buying that people are being convinced by beeboy's other points and I don't really like some people's behavior around the wagon (i.e Pied Piper)
What about Plot's behavior around the wagon did you dislike?
↑ Sakura Hana wrote:@Nacho: Weren't you on Disney Upick? hiplop was there (town him at least).
I am guessing you saw a Plotinus post and thought it was me, although I'm confused by this question in general since it implies I said I didn't play with hiplop when both Plotinus and I have.
↑ Spiffeh wrote: ↑ The Pied Piper wrote:Does my lack of vote bother you, then, or something else?
I feel like you devoted more time to meta talk than was necessary. hiplop hasn't really done enough yet for that discussion to be useful and it looks like filler content. Reminds me of scum!Plot in History where you kinda droned on about things that didn't matter.
Your fixation with tictac specifically is weird too? Like you bombard him with questions right from the get go for no clear reason. It makes me think you want to stroke beeboy's ego and goad his tunnel by nitpicking at someone who isn't really buying into it.
↑ The Pied Piper wrote:What do you think of my point that not doing anything is, in itself, scummy?
And I don't buy that you feel this way less than 24 hours into the game.
And Nacho hasn't really done anything that looks town so yeah I'm voting you
For the record, the reason I responded to this as harshly as I did was because Plot was bothered by someone telling them that they were "droning on about things that didn't matter" when they were trying their best and I know very well how infuriating that is so I dropped in the game to defend them. Thank you for getting the memo and backing off.
I was going to complain about the lack of Sakura posts, then remembered Sakura is V/LA
↑ Friendless Seniors wrote: ↑ SirCakez wrote:ATM scum reads of varying degrees on Tictac, Seniors, Ogre, and Beeboy.
"scumread on the people beeboy is pushing AND beeboy"
this guy is fencesitting, stirring the pot and trying to get momentum on our wagon for seriously shoddy reasons.
VOTE: sircakez
sorry ep, this is the guy who needs to die
I don't really think that scum reading both sides of the argument is impossible or unreasonable from town.
I did like your "I don't think how much we're being discussed" post because it's not something I think you would say as scum to a wagon without anything behind it?
↑ Friendless Seniors wrote:These stances make no sense. Like, he is basically scumreading anyone making any sort of impact in the game. This is a super opportunistic position in the game and needs to be lynched.
You have this backwards; scum reading anyone making any sort of impact in the game means that he's scum reading anyone with the ability to push lynches in the game which means that he's scum reading the people he should be buddying up to which means that he's probably town.
↑ Errantparabola wrote:this is you looking surface at my scumplay and not actually understanding how people play as scum. I look ath things that i find objectively scummy and push them. If you cared to read the deadthread in invaders you would actually know that. Do your meta research, don't go "oh hey EP did this one thing as scum in one game I played with them so they must be scum ya ya?"
I liked this post too.
↑ Friendless Seniors wrote:this is a mindbogglingly bad readslist. I have no idea how you're looking at the game this way.
The only read you seem to disagree with Cakez about is beeboy.
↑ beeboy wrote:
You are appealing to cakes here.
This accusation is dumb. Why would hiplop appeal to the player he is currently trying to mislynch and also a player without any real sway?
I'm not sure I feel great about a hiplop scum read right now; don't like the slot's main pushes yet but I've liked a few things tonally and hiplop being frustration and not having any fun feels pretty real and so I don't like continuing to push there right now.
↑ Mirhawk wrote:
There were plenty of different ways to answer those questions. The second one was so open ended you could have said just about anything and still answered it.
What is it about my push that's not null? Because from here that looks like a poorly justified omgus vote to me.
But this push is starting to get stale; right now, it feels like you are happy to continue a push on davesaz that no one really cares about while much, much bigger things are happening (beeboy-Seniors). Needs more pizzaz.
↑ Spiffeh wrote:
like this actually pisses me off
Don't ignore valid concerns I have and pass off calling you out on it as tunneling and stubborn
This feels town, but I would like to say that hiplop is just feeling sort of frustrated and overwhelmed early game which is why he's being as harsh as it is. It can be annoying early game to have to fight back against someone who doesn't feel like they are actually reading and comprehending their posts because they think they caught scum based on something small and stupid and people are buying into it for god knows what reason.
I don't really get why calling Snarky's vote a "push" instead of a vote was a big deal. Do you think that voting someone for silently sheeping onto a wagon led by someone who was obviously loud and not budging was unreasonable just because Snarky was lynchbait?
↑ Mirhawk wrote:@Seniors
Also, what the hells up with that Snarky business?
Whats weird? B has a point as well, do you not remember him from the game you just played or did he play differently in that game?
I don't like that you were ignoring the "null meta business" but suddenly become a little more interested as the wagon gains momentum.
I wouldn't really mind it if you just started scum reading Seniors based on hiplop's latest post but "that Snarky business" makes it seem like you don't know what's going on with it and just because Snarky was scummy as town in a different game means he's an invalid push in this one.
↑ pistachi0n wrote:I haven't seen millers immediately claim flavor in games I've played with them, so I'll follow suit. You'll know when it's relevant. Or when I'm dead, whatever comes first.
I liked that Pistachio refused to claim flavor; if she was fake claiming miller as scum as a gambit, she very likely would have had flavor to back it up so refusing seems strange for scum.
↑ Amihan wrote:
Tip: if you want to fakeclaim Miller as scum, you should probably wait until everyone else has posted so you can be sure nobody else is an actual Town Miller.
VOTE: pistachion
Would be impressed if this is a scum gambit by Amihan. It seems completely possible to me that pistachio decided to fake claim miller as a scum gambit but decidedly less possible than Amihan did. Don't really have a significant read on Pistachio yet.
↑ Sakura Hana wrote: ↑ beeboy wrote:What are your thoughts on me and seniors Sakura?
Still not done reading.
But while your push on me was bad, i think that probably both of you are town.
I'm following why you think beeboy is town thanks to the Wisdom comparison, but why do you think Friendless Seniors is town?'
↑ Mirhawk wrote:/lawls
Anyways, it seems the thing to do would be to String Pistachio.
Only thing is I'm a little worried about a scum counterclaim on Ami's part.
I mean what if Piss flips Miller?
I don't see myself as being comfortable with either way we could go in that case.
Not really sure what you mean by the bolded?
Do you mean that you're not comfortable with Amihan's alignment if Pistach flips town?
↑ Sakura Hana wrote:
↑ tictac wrote:beeboy Seniors read is exaggerated to the point that I don't think it's even supposed to look real. Crosses over into not alignment indicative.
A whole lot of words to say a whole lot of nothing. Comes into what seems like an accusation at beeboy's read and nullifies it with the end.
I disagree that this was the case; I thought that tictac's observation that Beeboy was pushing hard enough on nothing where it "wasn't supposed to be real" was actual a surprisingly insightful one, my problem was backing away from this later.
I wanted to make a really really really long wall but I'm starting to chicken out because I'm afraid no one will read it if I don't split it up, so reluctantly splitting it up
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