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In post 625, Zekromaster wrote:

In post 624, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm not really seeing why that all can't be easily be faked but I do like the questions he's asked after a quick reread of his ISO. I only dislike one. What do you think about his vigilante question? Also, what do think about him not voting anyone currently and being one of the few people that has yet to vote?

I hoped to get some more answers, btw. I only got two, and one was basically "I'd kill a random inactive player" which isn't that useful.
Also, I know the questions aren't directed at me, but I wanna be completely transparent about myself - I just don't feel like there is someone I'd want to vote right now. I'm confident in my scum reads, but I'd still prefer to get my facts straight before saying "Hey, I want this one dead!".

I just don't see why you're so cautious here. None of the leading wagons are in danger of being lynched and you can always move your vote at anytime. There is still plenty of time left to make sure you're confident at who you want towards the end of the day.

In post 627, Ramcius wrote:

In post 625, Zekromaster wrote:

In post 624, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm not really seeing why that all can't be easily be faked but I do like the questions he's asked after a quick reread of his ISO. I only dislike one. What do you think about his vigilante question? Also, what do think about him not voting anyone currently and being one of the few people that has yet to vote?

I hoped to get some more answers, btw. I only got two, and one was basically "I'd kill a random inactive player" which isn't that useful.
Also, I know the questions aren't directed at me, but I wanna be completely transparent about myself - I just don't feel like there is someone I'd want to vote right now. I'm confident in my scum reads, but I'd still prefer to get my facts straight before saying "Hey, I want this one dead!".

voting now isn't for lynching, but for pressure

Why did you just out why you're voting currently? Pressure is useless once whoever you're voting for or plan to knows what you're trying to achieve.

In post 629, Zekromaster wrote:

In post 627, Ramcius wrote:

In post 625, Zekromaster wrote:

In post 624, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm not really seeing why that all can't be easily be faked but I do like the questions he's asked after a quick reread of his ISO. I only dislike one. What do you think about his vigilante question? Also, what do think about him not voting anyone currently and being one of the few people that has yet to vote?

I hoped to get some more answers, btw. I only got two, and one was basically "I'd kill a random inactive player" which isn't that useful.
Also, I know the questions aren't directed at me, but I wanna be completely transparent about myself - I just don't feel like there is someone I'd want to vote right now. I'm confident in my scum reads, but I'd still prefer to get my facts straight before saying "Hey, I want this one dead!".

voting now isn't for lynching, but for pressure

Still, there's no one I want to pressure either. Pressuring someone through votes for me is "Hey, I

may

want this one dead, let's see how he reacts if I tell him I want him dead so I know if I want him dead!". Which I feel like doing only if I already have some strong suspects. Doing so may be wrong, but in that case, it will look pretty obvious when I'll see (if I'll see) that my current idea is inefficient.

How could there be no one you don't want to pressure? Nothing has pinged you so far or is everyone still in your null bucket?

In post 658, Land of Xanth wrote:

In post 653, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:[Narna, Vifam, Skelda, PerV, Harp, Fuzzy]

Shit townblock considering PV is voting for Harp Slot along with you.
What's your read on us and why?

Why are you assuming a town block here when we have various people wanting to go in different directions based on the leading wagons?

In post 675, CommKnight wrote:

In post 674, Ramcius wrote: 4) Maybe read tread?

Pep is coming up as scum

, Fuzzy's VT claim and very defensive pose, Harp's 50/50 stance on cop claims that was called out. You biased, or trying use your towncred from your claim to get ML, it doesn't matter, cause i'm not flipping scum, so don't worry, i will remind this after game and you could run with your tail between legs in shame

Oh really? When did he die? Last time I checked he's still alive by the first post of who's alive/dead. I must've missed his death scene, would you be so kind as to point me to it?

This is YOUR opinion. I have not read him as scum, I have not gotten up in arms about VT because I know there will be VTs in this game, You have a 50/50 stance on cop claims too but you keep denying it.

Don't worry, when you flip scum, I'll tell you "Good try scummy, better luck fooling me next time." I really doubt I'm wrong about this at all. Even others have started noticing your bad play if you were "town".

This reads unnecessarily the top. Why does it seem like you're defending Pep so hard here?

In post 748, Skelda wrote:

In post 79, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:

In post 76, Land of Xanth wrote:

In post 75, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:

In post 67, Land of Xanth wrote:

In post 58, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:

In post 54, Land of Xanth wrote:Nah thats me Uzi
-Ali

I remember the monster in your avi getting banned just before I quit and people losing their shit

Lol
But I want you to talk to me about the gamestate. Cause your vote was sorta oppertunistic.
Why did you hop onto the wagon on James after he confirmed his claim was real?

-Ali

I didn't like his vote for you after it was confirmed he wasn't trolling.

Why does him confirming his claim was real make you feel my vote was opportunistic? He's in no danger of being lynched and I don't have to believe his claim.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like it either, but I can see it being town motivated.
While yes, he was in no danger of being lynched, I am wondering why you didn't believe the claim.

I don't buy that a cop PR would claim the way he did or on Day 1, especially during RVS.

Like how blatantly wrong can you be? Scum loves pretending to underestimate Town stupidity to go after them.

In post 255, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:

In post 215, SlySly wrote:

In post 81, Land of Xanth wrote: Move on from James and find someone else to vote, because the only people with any notice for killing a claimed cop on d1 is Scum.

Not true. He's a 1-shot cop. He could screw up his one shot. He's not a big loss. If his claim is true and we lynched him, big deal. It would be worth it not to listen to his snippiness for the entire game. I'd be willing to lynch him just so the rest of the game can be fun.

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In post 85, Land of Xanth wrote:

In post 80, James3 wrote:

@MOD Is this game bastard?

This game lives in Theme Park. Abandon preconceived notions.

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In post 104, Tywin Lannister wrote:I want to hear from both him and James, since I haven't seen an explanation as to why he'd claim on his first post when he's a 1-shot cop

Not reading the game pings my scumdar.

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VOTE: Sly

I don't like this. I doubt the claim but just because it isn't an amazing role or can easily dealt with doesn't mean he wouldn't be a significant loss. If he's town, policy lynching him basically means we're going to being losing a voter on our side and gifting scum a wagon to pile on that won't do us any good to analyze since policy lynch wagons always laugh at VCA.

Why is his claim preventing you from having fun? Would you rather talk about something else? If so, what?

Another incredibly obvious, convenient thing to go after. I guess some Town are annoying like this, but this kind of mindset of looking for something easy to jump on seems like scum. I definitely do have a bias towards believing that people who play poorly are Town though that has to be taken into account, I think most bad play that I see does come from Town because scum usually care about seeming like they are playing well more than do, but at the same time you do have people who do stupid things from a Town perspective as scum, usually people who would do it as Town too. Hell, maybe I'm one of those people, hahahaha.

I thought I was going to have more to say about this but I don't. I like that Lil Uzi was defending me and I really want him to be Town because of that, but I dunno, it doesn't feel right. That's gut though.

Yay! Effort! Now I can prod dodge my way through the next couple days.

So you think I'm scum because you don't like my beliefs about the game or my play style?

Moving this along, I hope.

In post 749, Ramcius wrote:

In post 747, Skelda wrote:Isn't Pep like a lame lynch? It seems like a classic MS, "We don't want to make a decision so let's just take it out on the easy person." I mean he could be scum, it isn't impossible especially with how nothing is happening, but if he isn't his lynch basically wastes the day except for getting a less active person gone.

So, we should lynch LUV over Pep cause on your gut feeling instead? You know, if Pep flips red, you going on my susp list for this poor defense

That's not what I was saying. I just think that if Pep does flip Town this lynch is a lot more useless than a lot of other Town lynches. You don't necessarily have to agree with my read on Uzi though.

In post 753, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:

In post 748, Skelda wrote:

In post 79, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:

In post 76, Land of Xanth wrote:

In post 75, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:

In post 67, Land of Xanth wrote:

In post 58, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:

In post 54, Land of Xanth wrote:Nah thats me Uzi
-Ali

I remember the monster in your avi getting banned just before I quit and people losing their shit

Lol
But I want you to talk to me about the gamestate. Cause your vote was sorta oppertunistic.
Why did you hop onto the wagon on James after he confirmed his claim was real?

-Ali

I didn't like his vote for you after it was confirmed he wasn't trolling.

Why does him confirming his claim was real make you feel my vote was opportunistic? He's in no danger of being lynched and I don't have to believe his claim.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like it either, but I can see it being town motivated.
While yes, he was in no danger of being lynched, I am wondering why you didn't believe the claim.

I don't buy that a cop PR would claim the way he did or on Day 1, especially during RVS.

Like how blatantly wrong can you be? Scum loves pretending to underestimate Town stupidity to go after them.

In post 255, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:

In post 215, SlySly wrote:

In post 81, Land of Xanth wrote: Move on from James and find someone else to vote, because the only people with any notice for killing a claimed cop on d1 is Scum.

Not true. He's a 1-shot cop. He could screw up his one shot. He's not a big loss. If his claim is true and we lynched him, big deal. It would be worth it not to listen to his snippiness for the entire game. I'd be willing to lynch him just so the rest of the game can be fun.

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In post 85, Land of Xanth wrote:

In post 80, James3 wrote:

@MOD Is this game bastard?

This game lives in Theme Park. Abandon preconceived notions.

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In post 104, Tywin Lannister wrote:I want to hear from both him and James, since I haven't seen an explanation as to why he'd claim on his first post when he's a 1-shot cop

Not reading the game pings my scumdar.

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VOTE: Sly

I don't like this. I doubt the claim but just because it isn't an amazing role or can easily dealt with doesn't mean he wouldn't be a significant loss. If he's town, policy lynching him basically means we're going to being losing a voter on our side and gifting scum a wagon to pile on that won't do us any good to analyze since policy lynch wagons always laugh at VCA.

Why is his claim preventing you from having fun? Would you rather talk about something else? If so, what?

Another incredibly obvious, convenient thing to go after. I guess some Town are annoying like this, but this kind of mindset of looking for something easy to jump on seems like scum. I definitely do have a bias towards believing that people who play poorly are Town though that has to be taken into account, I think most bad play that I see does come from Town because scum usually care about seeming like they are playing well more than do, but at the same time you do have people who do stupid things from a Town perspective as scum, usually people who would do it as Town too. Hell, maybe I'm one of those people, hahahaha.

I thought I was going to have more to say about this but I don't. I like that Lil Uzi was defending me and I really want him to be Town because of that, but I dunno, it doesn't feel right. That's gut though.

Yay! Effort! Now I can prod dodge my way through the next couple days.

So you think I'm scum because you don't like my beliefs about the game or my play style?

That's not what I said, I actually like some of your beliefs about the game like the one where I'm Town. But I think some of the things you've done make sense from a scum perspective, how is that worse than any other read at this point?

In post 757, Skelda wrote:

In post 749, Ramcius wrote:

In post 747, Skelda wrote:Isn't Pep like a lame lynch? It seems like a classic MS, "We don't want to make a decision so let's just take it out on the easy person." I mean he could be scum, it isn't impossible especially with how nothing is happening, but if he isn't his lynch basically wastes the day except for getting a less active person gone.

So, we should lynch LUV over Pep cause on your gut feeling instead? You know, if Pep flips red, you going on my susp list for this poor defense

That's not what I was saying. I just think that if Pep does flip Town this lynch is a lot more useless than a lot of other Town lynches. You don't necessarily have to agree with my read on Uzi though.

You being vague on defending Pep just makes me want him flip more and more, name better lynches and why we should lynch one of them? Pep isn't most scummy, simply most people agree on his lynch while other people are more scattered trough lynch lists

In post 751, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:

In post 658, Land of Xanth wrote:

In post 653, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:[Narna, Vifam, Skelda, PerV, Harp, Fuzzy]

Shit townblock considering PV is voting for Harp Slot along with you.
What's your read on us and why?

Why are you assuming a town block here when we have various people wanting to go in different directions based on the leading wagons?

Because he was responding to TTTT's question that implied that TTTT was looking for a townbloc not a scum block.

Still catching up. At work, but reading on break right now. Will post more during lunch.

VOTE: Skalda.

The fact that this guy hasn't been voted at all by anyone makes me believe he's scum. His posts show complete and utter 'nervousness' in everything he says, is very cautious to not actually say anything, TRs Vifam and Sly out of all the players, and his 'effort' posts are basically just saying 'I'm here guys! Hi! Look at me putting in effort at 2 am! So Vifam looks super town, because no reason at all, but super town there guys. Super town. We have the best town, don't we folks? The best! Oh, sly is obvious town too, because he's so scummy that he's town! Uzi is scum because he posted thoughts, which I don't like due to me not doing it. Also, bad play = town because I'm one of them hahahahahahahahaha. I'm not awkward at all. Ttyl for the next prod dodge!'

Jokes aside, that's pretty much how I read his string of recent posts. I will give him credit for actually posting SOMETHING other than 'hi, bye' for once, but it all looks very forced and contrived. It's like he doesn't want to be on any current wagon, either because they're town or because they're his scum buddies, so he throws his vote away on Uzi saying 'guy read, no other reason' and then asks others to join. He knows full well that nobody will join a non case, so it's a throwaway vote. I don't like it.

Also @ everyone:

What's the exact case on Pep? I've pretty much forgotten he exists. Kyouko made some good posts about it, but I haven't seen reasons from others. I'm not against that wagon and will join if it's deadline, but I want to see why people are joining aside from 'pressure.' Pressure without reasons/questions doesn't work and has no purpose. The entire point of D1 lynches are to gain more information beyond just catching scum. There are more than 1. So those voting pep, give the guy questions and/or post your case on him in a way that he can respond. I can't stand sheep votes that don't even give thoughts/reasons behind them. If you agree with a case, say so and say why/what exact parts you agree with. More information is always good, and if you're town, it helps others sort you. Just saying, because if pep flips town, I can see a few scum in those naked wagon votes.

In post 762, Tywin Lannister wrote:VOTE: Skalda.

The fact that this guy hasn't been voted at all by anyone makes me believe he's scum. His posts show complete and utter 'nervousness' in everything he says, is very cautious to not actually say anything, TRs Vifam and Sly out of all the players, and his 'effort' posts are basically just saying 'I'm here guys! Hi! Look at me putting in effort at 2 am! So Vifam looks super town, because no reason at all, but super town there guys. Super town. We have the best town, don't we folks? The best! Oh, sly is obvious town too, because he's so scummy that he's town! Uzi is scum because he posted thoughts, which I don't like due to me not doing it. Also, bad play = town because I'm one of them hahahahahahahahaha. I'm not awkward at all. Ttyl for the next prod dodge!'

Jokes aside, that's pretty much how I read his string of recent posts. I will give him credit for actually posting SOMETHING other than 'hi, bye' for once, but it all looks very forced and contrived. It's like he doesn't want to be on any current wagon, either because they're town or because they're his scum buddies, so he throws his vote away on Uzi saying 'guy read, no other reason' and then asks others to join. He knows full well that nobody will join a non case, so it's a throwaway vote. I don't like it.

Also @ everyone:

What's the exact case on Pep? I've pretty much forgotten he exists. Kyouko made some good posts about it, but I haven't seen reasons from others. I'm not against that wagon and will join if it's deadline, but I want to see why people are joining aside from 'pressure.' Pressure without reasons/questions doesn't work and has no purpose. The entire point of D1 lynches are to gain more information beyond just catching scum. There are more than 1. So those voting pep, give the guy questions and/or post your case on him in a way that he can respond. I can't stand sheep votes that don't even give thoughts/reasons behind them. If you agree with a case, say so and say why/what exact parts you agree with. More information is always good, and if you're town, it helps others sort you. Just saying, because if pep flips town, I can see a few scum in those naked wagon votes.

Add resistance to Pep wagon to Skelda too, and he backed out from LUV push, when i asked, if we should vote him on Skelda's gut read

Well, as you noticed, Pep is invisible, all he done was push on James claim, calling you TR in same message as he write he don't like your questions to Sly, argued me about reads on James and fluff/prod dodging after, yes, he's not most scummy, neither my top scumread, but he's most people SR, so best wagon atm

In post 657, James3 wrote:

In post 649, TTTT wrote:@James
who are your town-reads?

ssbm seems town

Any others?

Also, what did you learn about other players from their reactions to your first post claim?

Ah shit Tywin, you're actually scum this game aren't you?

In post 766, Land of Xanth wrote:Ah shit Tywin, you're actually scum this game aren't you?

why you think he scum?

Yeah that Skelda vote sucked

In post 766, Land of Xanth wrote:Ah shit Tywin, you're actually scum this game aren't you?

Yep, you caught me.

On a more serious note: are you against the skald vote, or are you against me not voting pep? Too many players have jumped on it without reason for me to like it. It's a mix of TRs giving actual reasons, and SRs giving none. I'm honestly wondering why you haven't called anyone out for that. You're usually more aware of this stuff when town Ali/grey.

Also Ali: why have the questions stopped? You disengaged a bit from your previous activity. Was it due to being SR by some people, or did grey tell you to chill out a bit?

Pedit: Vifam, what sucked about it, and is there a reason why haven't you contributed to the game whatsoever? Youre the same player as Skald here, only you've done even less. You also keep saying 'what's going on? I'm so confused, I dunno what anyone is saying' along with Skald, who coincidentally has you as his top TR. If he flips scum, you're suspect.

I'm just chilling man going at my own pace you know


How is not keeping up with the game and being lost scummy? If anything it's NAI

In post 770, Vifam wrote:I'm just chilling man going at my own pace you know


How is not keeping up with the game and being lost scummy? If anything it's NAI

Not keeping up is AI, but you haven't been prodded or anything, so you are keeping up. You just haven't been posting anything really game related, much less have you looked for scum. You're sliding under the radar on purpose here, and at least compared to what I know of your meta, it's not consistent with town you. That is the biggest ping for me. If I had more, I'd vote you, but I don't. Just know that if Skald flips scum, you're suspect. I don't think it's coincidence that you've both said the same things and you're his top TR (of two total). You're completely null to me, so there's no reason I can see for him to have you as the top TR. it's the same crap Sly pulled on the KainTepes slot. That's a pattern with you three, especially when Sly was the other top (and only) TR Skald has.

EBWOP: Not keeping up isnt* AI. Etc etc

That question was more about your read on Skelda

In post 762, Tywin Lannister wrote:VOTE: Skalda.

The fact that this guy hasn't been voted at all by anyone makes me believe he's scum. His posts show complete and utter 'nervousness' in everything he says, is very cautious to not actually say anything, TRs Vifam and Sly out of all the players, and his 'effort' posts are basically just saying 'I'm here guys! Hi! Look at me putting in effort at 2 am! So Vifam looks super town, because no reason at all, but super town there guys. Super town. We have the best town, don't we folks? The best! Oh, sly is obvious town too, because he's so scummy that he's town! Uzi is scum because he posted thoughts, which I don't like due to me not doing it. Also, bad play = town because I'm one of them hahahahahahahahaha. I'm not awkward at all. Ttyl for the next prod dodge!'

Jokes aside, that's pretty much how I read his string of recent posts. I will give him credit for actually posting SOMETHING other than 'hi, bye' for once, but it all looks very forced and contrived. It's like he doesn't want to be on any current wagon, either because they're town or because they're his scum buddies, so he throws his vote away on Uzi saying 'guy read, no other reason' and then asks others to join. He knows full well that nobody will join a non case, so it's a throwaway vote. I don't like it.

Also @ everyone:

What's the exact case on Pep? I've pretty much forgotten he exists. Kyouko made some good posts about it, but I haven't seen reasons from others. I'm not against that wagon and will join if it's deadline, but I want to see why people are joining aside from 'pressure.' Pressure without reasons/questions doesn't work and has no purpose. The entire point of D1 lynches are to gain more information beyond just catching scum. There are more than 1. So those voting pep, give the guy questions and/or post your case on him in a way that he can respond. I can't stand sheep votes that don't even give thoughts/reasons behind them. If you agree with a case, say so and say why/what exact parts you agree with. More information is always good, and if you're town, it helps others sort you. Just saying, because if pep flips town, I can see a few scum in those naked wagon votes.

This is pretty gross, yeah. I don't know if you're scum, but I thought it was obvious that I was intentionally overdoing it and making fun of myself. I dunno, if trying to do something when I don't have that much of an opinion gets me voted then vote for me I guess, but I'm not scum still, I'm just Town who plays differently than you.

I don't have a strong case on anyone, what do you want me to do? Make something up? That's what scum would do, I'm trying to actually go with my opinion on something rather than just pretending to have a case to see if people agree with me. I'm pretty terrible on Day 1 and rather than pretending to be okay I'm just going along with it.

But yeah, it wasn't like I was oblivious to the fact that posting in a certain way gets you voted on MS, I'm just going to do it anyway because I want to.