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In post 746, Wisdom wrote:

In post 677, DeasVail wrote:Yes

And whats your proposal?

As I said, my proposal is that we lynch group 2.

I am currently undecided on what swapping we should do, if any, but I'm also not very interested in directing other people's roles because I like the idea of people having autonomy with their PRs.

PEdit:

Wisdom, why is it just one scum?

Also, I'm not all very certain about your alignment or even Koki's. Your posts seem to suggest having some experience with him that would exclude this sort of play from him as scum, but if he has a reputation for lying as town, I am kind of skeptical of everything he says.

I am happy for swapping to happen I guess, but it's ultimately out of my hands. I think Bu is town. Pine, at the very least, is pretty high on my suspect list. Riku, you and Koki are unknowns for me (but also towards the lower end of my reads list). Compared to Group 1 and Group 3, the more scummy people (imo) are in Group 2. I don't understand the issue.

In post 712, Kokichi Oma wrote:I think I'm just going to ignore Dramonic because he's just spewing out conf bias crap, because he scumread me early and doesn't want to be wrong.

or you know, hes scum

In post 713, dramonic wrote:I don't.

However
If I'm wrong, there is scum in group 2.
If I'm right, there is scum in group 2.

Yeah except you conveniently dont account for town deaths

shut the FUCK up already WISDOM

TIME TO BE A MAN

HURRY UP AND DO YOUR MANSWAP FOR YOUR SCUMMIEST SUSPECT IN GROUP 2 TO GROUP 3, SWAP ME OUT

LYNCH GROUP 3

fwiw I think pine might be town here, my guess is riku actually

In post 729, REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE wrote:REAL MEN'S SUGGESTION FOR SWAP

MUFFIN SWAPS HIMSELF INTO GROUP 2 WITH WISDOM

WISDOM SWAPS KOKICHI OUT OF GROUP 2 INTO GROUP 3 AND CAKEZ INTO GROUP 2

LYNCH GROUP 2

yeah no
And this is very worrying considering you supposedly wanted to lynch your group earlier
You should be agreeing with my plan here

do YOU have ALZHEIMERS

and this is part of my issue Wisdom, with such disagreement over who to swap etc. I worry that a swap will happen that I'm not happy with.

I'm honestly a bit perplexed by your implication that I am insane in wanting to lynch Group 2. What is wrong with my opinion being different from yours?

In post 756, REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE wrote:do YOU have ALZHEIMERS

Real men have Alzheimer's

try reading the CURRENT PAGE

In post 731, BuJaber wrote:RMOJ putting koki and dramon in the group that we aren't lynching doesn't work because one of them is confirmed scum.

We have to trust one of them and lynch the other OR lynch both.

What? How is dram or kokichi confirmed scum?
Dram was obviously trolling if you believed his "claim"

In post 740, Wisdom wrote:Yeah thats why you call me trying to save 3 certain townies over 1 a dumb idea

yeah, no

the possible scenarios i'm considering where town gets fucked over after your swap:

- this is a gambit you and kokichi are pulling off together. you swap a town player out into another group, make it an all-town group, we lynch it, 4 town dead and tomorrow is lylo where town has to figure out the gambit
- kokichi is just scum and lying and you swap out a town player for a scum player - town goes into lylo in the dark about what happened
- kokichi is town and you're scum, you swap out a town player for a scum player and make the other group all town - town goes into lylo in the dark about what happened
- both you are kokichi are town, but you still swap out a town player for a scum player - town is still in the dark in lylo

NONE OF THESE SCENARIOS ARE WORTH IT TO SAVE THE SO-CALLED THREE "CERTAIN" TOWNIES WHEN LYNCHING YOUR GROUP JUST FLAT UP NETS AT LEAST ONE SCUM IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE KOKICHI IS NOT TOWN DOING SOMETHING INCREDIBLY STUPID.

AT LEAST ONE being the key here as well.

In post 750, DeasVail wrote:Wisdom, why is it just one scum?

Because me, Kokichi and Bu are 100% town. And Pine/riku are not both scum. No way they both selfvote. Its one of those two.

that's basically why the ONLY alternative i might consider is swapping exactly ONE player out of group 2 and lynching it. any other scenario is suboptimal play. and even that is suboptimal, but whatever

In post 750, DeasVail wrote:you and Koki are unknowns for me

How the fuck arent we obvtown here
I get you dont have kokichi meta but him-scum claiming that just doesnt make any sense here
Nor does scum-me make any sort of sense

In post 757, DeasVail wrote:What is wrong with my opinion being different from yours?

I dont know, the fact we will fucking sacrifice 4 townies to lynch 1 scum when we can sacrifice 2 scummy looking town to lynch 2 scum?

In post 761, zMuffinMan wrote:both you are kokichi are town, but you still swap out a town player for a scum player - town is still in the dark in lylo

This is the only one im responding to because calling me or kokichi scum when we're obvtown is just mudslinging.
Nobody's in the dark. Even if I swap the wrong person out of g2 we know tomorrow its the other person. The guilty is still there. We lose nothing.

In post 747, DeasVail wrote:What should I be reading as alignment-relevant from you?

if you're trying to tell me you can't tell the difference between my town and my scum play, then fine. whatever. personally i don't think it's as hard to tell the difference as people pretend it is and i always find it amusing when people are overly paranoid, but usually people have at least some opinion on what i've written and you don't seem to have any

apart from maybe the blatant shitposting, i think everything i write is alignment-relevant to anyone who can read between the lines, but *shrug*

WISDOM

STOP TALKING

TIME TO BE A MAN

DO THE MAN SWAP

and yes this is 100% REAL MAN SUPPORT for wisdom's MAN PLAN

In post 767, Wisdom wrote:Nobody's in the dark. Even if I swap the wrong person out of g2 we know tomorrow its the other person. The guilty is still there. We lose nothing.

if you're town and he's town, then yes

i am not willing to bet the game on that, though

even if i were extremely confident on my read on the both of you, i wouldn't bet the game on that

it is always safer here to lynch the group with confirmed scum

And now that im caught up
Unless i see a rational response on why I shouldnt swap Pine for realmen and lynch group3, thats what Im doing and then I am forcing your hand because youre not going to lynch g2 without Pine in it.

Wisdom, you're not really responding to me in a way that is fostering my confidence in you.

I dont care.