Mafiascum.net

@Eup; Ico has this special brand of deathtunneling in the scumgames I’ve seen (mainly gonna use strawberry here) where he picks a target and picks at nai stuff/small inconsistencies rather than reasons for someone being *scum* He’s good at that.

You really need to answer my question; why do you townread Ico here? You *townread* him meaning you either have a good reason or see differences between his play here and say, strawberry (or have information from other games considering idk what games you play)

What do you consider to be flaws/agendas? What do you think of Ico’s push on DrP? Do you agree with it?

And for Aldus, I was asking about your read before, though I wasn’t entirely clear on that so that’s partially on me. You said you were happy with his wagon, which meant you were scumreading him - why? Was it just the L-1 and if so why do you inherently find that scummy? Or was it the Okapoka case?

Answer that, but like FOCUS on explaining your whole Aldus read if that makes sense and I’m being very specific because I want a specific answer from you

Overall I feel like it’s clear what part of the questions are the important parts so yes please don’t dodge

^sorry Shiki! Feel free to answer it too. As a general thing, do you both agree/have same reasonings?

Kanning Kanna:

I kinda agree with Ico's push on the Doctar this game; I scumread him as well. Ico's felt *different* from Strawberry. I'm not sure in what way, but he's more all over the place and loose here, and his clidd case felt more manufactured than stuff here and had obviously bad reasons, like suspecting him for NAI stuff when other players had repeatedly brought up the fact it should be NAI.

I didn't "scumread" Aldu but I thought the L-1 thing and attacking Ico for the inconsistency thing warranted looking into. Can you explain why you dislike/want clarification on these two reads? What are you getting at?

[]][//''''' Hectic

I'll reISO Aldu just for you &_&

56 very slightly towny for asking to be metaed.
Next few posts are fluffy.
117 is a good question.
180 he votes us despite the contrary. NAI misunderstanding?
The Ico vote and reasoning behind it is scummy. Using Kanna's meta as a reason is weak, given she didn't provide any evidence. Also I've explained the slowness justification thing.
406 slightly scummy.
416 towny for Drew read.
572: not gonna reread it but it was towny for stuff like the Oogle read.
576: Elaborate on your Doctar read when you have a chance to look back, Aldu.

Reading back, I'm not so sure. He's a joker read as clidd would put it.

¬}}; Hectic

In post 752, Kanna wrote:^sorry Shiki! Feel free to answer it too. As a general thing, do you both agree/have same reasonings?

In general, yeah. Typically, we manage to convince the other of reads we have rather than disagree with them.

_++ Hectic

yall thinkz i'm acdtually scumm heer is lolwrongk

In post 611, Kanna wrote:Honestly, I don't see why not. I don't see him describing you guys as "free-flowing, funny jokingly yet still producing reads and pushing things" as a particularly good reason wrt to the posts

it seems unlikely to me that scum!iconeum would say he was unsure of us, wait for hectic to make those three posts, then say we were town in order to later say he was townreading us for "free-flowing, funny jokingly yet still producing reads and pushing things" and importantly to my point here "it comes mostly from hectic iirc". it is possible that scum!iconeum looked back on what he said about us and came up with a plausible reason for his inconsistency, but that seems like a less likely option to me as well.

In post 751, Kanna wrote:why do you townread Ico here? You *townread* him meaning you either have a good reason or see differences between his play here and say, strawberry (or have information from other games considering idk what games you play)

In post 423, Euphony wrote:i don't think there are many parallels with mini normal 2088, in which iconeum used the early game to cover for potential differences in posting frequency compared to its town games and its reads/reactions felt heavily plotted.

this ^ is the other of iconeum's scum games i looked at.

In post 751, Kanna wrote:What do you think of Ico’s push on DrP? Do you agree with it?

yes, i agree with it.

In post 567, Euphony wrote:doctorpepper's pushes have felt like they a simply enacting an agenda. he pushed on quantumquasar despite acknowledging that what quantumquasar was doing wasn't necessarily scummy, which i'm pretty wary of because i think mafia would be pretty likely to do this, he pushed on us because he dislikes our playstyle? though that kinda feels like it was reasoning provided after the fact, and he said he couldn't get anything off of iconeum before iconeum had posted and then as soon as iconeum started posting he accused iconeum of tunneling him. like none of these felt real to me.

what i meant by reasoning provided after the fact here was that it felt like doctorpepper was pushing on us in hopes of getting us mislynched and then later pivoted to saying he simply dislikes our playstyle. he has also done what he is accusing iconeum of doing in terms of his reads being set in stone. his scumread on iconeum seems to predate iconeum posting in the game.

In post 752, Kanna wrote:As a general thing, do you both agree/have same reasonings?

for the most part. we tend to discuss our reads and try to reach consensus, as hectic said. where we are unable to we reach out to the thread for more information.

In post 723, Datisi wrote:someone give me the spiciest take you have

the most moonlogicy one i don't care

hmm... not sure if you want this. it is hard for me to weigh them, but since you asked, do you think this post:

In post 0, QuantumQuasar wrote:Suggest to optionally hide post history hyperlinks in profile and/or posts per day

in site ideas made in the midst of my discussion with drew-sta is alignment indicative in anyway?

tbh i dont really feel motivated to play right now, kinda just lurking to see if QQ responds lol

In post 609, OkaPoka wrote:actually since nobody has commented on this yet

are you guys not irked by QQ's l1 post?

I honestly missed it. It is scum indicative to me.

In post 652, DoctorPepper wrote:Look, I'm willingly going to admit that I get why I'm being seen as not productive to town but I refuse to be read as scum for things that are at best NAI

I'm willing to work and learn how to play better and see what you guys are seeing that I am not with regards to Ico, Euph and Aldus.

But let's face it, the game state in and of itself is messy to read as it is don't you think?

P-Edit: That I still think you're scum

But maybe I do agree with you on this

VOTE: Quantum

In post 659, Iconeum wrote:

In post 652, DoctorPepper wrote:P-Edit: That I still think you're scum
But maybe I do agree with you on this
VOTE: Quantum

this is totally not creepy

you still think i'm scum
but you agree with me that QQ is scum
so you vote alongside with me on QQ

UNVOTE:
VOTE: drpepper

I had thought Ico was simply tunnelling on Dr. The above makes me go 'Yup, I think there's something there.' The lack of logical thought by Dr in their voting pattern is what alarms me.

In post 664, DoctorPepper wrote:

In post 659, Iconeum wrote:

In post 652, DoctorPepper wrote:P-Edit: That I still think you're scum
But maybe I do agree with you on this
VOTE: Quantum

this is totally not creepy

you still think i'm scum
but you agree with me that QQ is scum
so you vote alongside with me on QQ

UNVOTE:
VOTE: drpepper

Ahh yes because I've completely devolved into associative tells on Day 1 and have not considered the possibility of people I think are scum can be not scum together (i.e. I could be wrong)

And also I'm allowed to vote for other people other than my top scum reads

But I feel like this is going here

VOTE: Iconeum

The flip flop then OMGUS is obvious.

In post 677, Datisi wrote: - drew has Deepwolf Potental but i have absolutely nothing to base that on other than paranoia

What does this mean? I've never heard the phrase before.

In post 683, Iconeum wrote:but calls my push on him disingenious

that's actually hilarious

Yup.

In post 729, Iconeum wrote:QQ/Drew in that case

everyone else at least feels very involved at this time

I think you need to apply pressure to more people. I agree you need to do this to me and also QQ, but I feel like you need to widen your scope a bit and look at Kanna, Oka, Euph. Townread or not, you have to do this or I will begin to think you're tunnelling simply to look towny.

In post 746, Datisi wrote:

In post 743, Euphony wrote:

In post 677, Datisi wrote:- i think QQ is town both because of their posts and because of The Gamestate(tm)

Could you elaborate on the gamestate read, and what you keep mentioning about how the "game feels wrong"?

In post 745, Euphony wrote:

In post 740, Datisi wrote:

In post 737, DoctorPepper wrote:Why Drew and not Quantum?

because i still think QQ's Town, i wanna swing into Drew for a bit, and also idk lol why not, this game doesn't make sense, maybe it starts making sense now

What are your reasons for Quentin-town? What do you think of the GhostPepper now?

^%£== Hectic

i'll answer these together kinda

you know when your hands are cold and you're struggling to move your fingers? this game feels like that. everything seems to be slow, clammy, and hard to move. the game is inert. and it feels wrong.

QQ feels town because most people seem sorta "ye QQ is bad could lynch there i guess." nobody is exactly defending him but also nobody except for oka and ico is voting there at first? (and i think those two are town so) QQ seems like that slot that nobody has strong opinions on but nobody has a problem jumping there? like it seems like The Compromise which I don't think hits scum?

Now i'm reminded of Pepper's jump onto QQ's wagon and just ugh

VOTE: pepper

also i think QQ's posts show somw towny thought processes, or i don't think scum plays the game the way he does it

Do it, don't just talk about it.

--

At the moment, I'm content to change vote to DrP. I think his interactions with Ico are not consistent enough for me to consider they are town, and thus, I believe a wagon will generate insight to determine if we hammer or not.

UNVOTE: Kanna
VOTE: DrPepper

meh sure

VOTE: dr pepper

Ehh, I'm ensign

Just promise me you'll take a look at Ico and Euph after you lynch me ayt?

In post 764, DoctorPepper wrote:Ehh, I'm ensign

Just promise me you'll take a look at Ico and Euph after you lynch me ayt?

@Dr, why did you flip from Q to Ico so fast?

@Eup; Because i'm trying to figure out if your reads are genuine. I don't think I've really agreed on your reads so far so I can't write it off as a "i mindmeld so I can see it" instead, I'm trying to figure out if you *truly believe* them or are just finding reasons to say you believe them.

For Ico, honestly at this point I'm not even sure, and I regret saying what I thought so early when I should of let it play out. I really don't think he knew about the deathtunnel and scumreads/townreads thing beforehand and now he's aware of it, it's compromised.

I disagree on Aldus, I found what he said pretty townie. The way Ico switched between scumreads implies that he doesn't actually believe them and gives the feeling he's trying to latch onto something. I guess it can be emotions on Ico's side but that doesn't make what Aldus said not valid. Also I didn't really like the vt claim without any danger of hammer because as a vt, it gives him as a reason to be alive

Will reply to the rest later

Also I don't know why my reads are so different from everyone's because i find DrP townie

well i find ico a lot townier idk

In post 765, Drew-Sta wrote:

In post 764, DoctorPepper wrote:Ehh, I'm ensign

Just promise me you'll take a look at Ico and Euph after you lynch me ayt?

@Dr, why did you flip from Q to Ico so fast?

Because QQ is a viable lynch for me too and you can see that in my voting patterns

I've recognized that my 1v1 with Ico is more harmful to town because of the circular nature of the discussion

Anyone want kanna over pepper?

Drew have we played before?

In post 770, Iconeum wrote:Anyone want kanna over pepper?

Drew have we played before?

Not sure.

Also, I was on Kanna from the start. Why are you doing this now when I asked literally pages ago to consider it? This is not a consistent approach.

In post 770, Iconeum wrote:Anyone want kanna over pepper?

Drew have we played before?

Kanna is town tho

bro i want qq