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[Infinity 324]

Like, if you're scum with taylor it doesn't even matter if both of you are in the neighborhood, you could just say you were. I don't think it's likely but it's a possibility to consider. If I'm wrong on bulge/taylor you're the most likely to be scum based on my reads. I don't think me being scum makes sense from a setup perspective.

[Venus and Mars]

Do you seriously think that even makes sense? 2 out of 3 scum in the same hood? Now you’ve got me kind’ve paranoid and wondering if you were distancing with Bulge?

And Infinity/Bulge team doesn't oppose my plan here because a Taylor fade is a win for them anyway.

And 2 scum in a 3p hood isn't impossible. I JUST got out of a game with one.

Well that’s definitely unusual. I don’t out the hood if I’m scum with Tayl0r.

I also hard vetoed both yours and Creature wagons D1.

I don’t know what anyone else is but you and Creature are my most confident trs and I will vote for anyone else before either of you. And that was the case on D1, if you’re interested in ISOing me.

~M

[Alchemist21]

Do you seriously think that even makes sense? 2 out of 3 scum in the same hood? Now you’ve got me kind’ve paranoid and wondering if you were distancing with Bulge?

And Infinity/Bulge team doesn't oppose my plan here because a Taylor fade is a win for them anyway.

And 2 scum in a 3p hood isn't impossible. I JUST got out of a game with one.

Well that’s definitely unusual. I don’t out the hood if I’m scum with Tayl0r.

I also hard vetoed both yours and Creature wagons D1.

I don’t know what anyone else is but you and Creature are my most confident trs and I will vote for anyone else before either of you. And that was the case on D1, if you’re interested in ISOing me.

~M

I trust you more than anyone else in this game which is why I'm so confident in my plan here.

I'm just saying Infinity's perspective isn't unreasonable and the take doesn't make sense for a Bulge/Infinity team.

[Infinity 324]

Alchemist is town cause setup. Creature is town by play. Everyone else could be scum fmpov. I have to do ISOs to figure out which teams make sense but that's where I'm at atm.

[Venus and Mars]

Like, if you're scum with taylor it doesn't even matter if both of you are in the neighborhood, you could just say you were. I don't think it's likely but it's a possibility to consider. If I'm wrong on bulge/taylor you're the most likely to be scum based on my reads. I don't think me being scum makes sense from a setup perspective.

What do you mean, it doesn’t make sense? You know your alignment, so I think that’s a rather odd thing to say?

I think that in a world where either Alch or Creature is scum, we’ve probably lost anyway because I honestly don’t think that’s the case, so I’m really not worried about that.

However, it’s kind’ve weirding me out that you’re suddenly suggesting this.

I don’t play the way I did on D1 if I’m scum here and Alch should know this.

~M

[Infinity 324]

What I’m saying is I’m not sure how I could be scum in a balanced setup from your POV. I’ll have to do ISOs but I’m not sure what from your D1 play makes you super town. I never scumread you but I never had a super strong TR either.

[Venus and Mars]

Do you seriously think that even makes sense? 2 out of 3 scum in the same hood? Now you’ve got me kind’ve paranoid and wondering if you were distancing with Bulge?

And Infinity/Bulge team doesn't oppose my plan here because a Taylor fade is a win for them anyway.

And 2 scum in a 3p hood isn't impossible. I JUST got out of a game with one.

Well that’s definitely unusual. I don’t out the hood if I’m scum with Tayl0r.

I also hard vetoed both yours and Creature wagons D1.

I don’t know what anyone else is but you and Creature are my most confident trs and I will vote for anyone else before either of you. And that was the case on D1, if you’re interested in ISOing me.

~M

I trust you more than anyone else in this game which is why I'm so confident in my plan here.

I'm just saying Infinity's perspective isn't unreasonable and the take doesn't make sense for a Bulge/Infinity team.

We don’t make sense with Bulge either since Derp was Shiro’s #1 sr but okay, I’ll sheep you then.

Statistically, we should be clear if Tayl0r flips scum, even if it’s not based off of what you’re both saying 100%.

~M

[Venus and Mars]

What I’m saying is I’m not sure how I could be scum in a balanced setup from your POV. I’ll have to do ISOs but I’m not sure what from your D1 play makes you super town. I never scumread you but I never had a super strong TR either.

You or Pun wanted to fade Alchemist/Creature and I hard vetoed both wagons, so I don’t know how you can honestly say that?

But you’re role is confirmable right? So it can actually be proven. Ours can only be by Alch, same with Creature.

~M

[Infinity 324]

I never wanted to elim creature, taylor was my #1 choice for a while but I’ll have to go look at your play then. Defending town doesn’t get you a

ton

of cred when scum wasn’t really under pressure.

[Venus and Mars]

Alchemist is town cause setup. Creature is town by play. Everyone else could be scum fmpov. I have to do ISOs to figure out which teams make sense but that's where I'm at atm.

Yes and who has been hard tr both of them? Me. So, it’s nuts to say we aren’t town by play. I know that both of them have meta on me as both alignments, where as Punpun does not, so scum!me doesn’t try to stop those wagons. I just don’t.

~M

[Infinity 324]

Yes hard TRing town as scum limits your options but it’s not infeasible.

[Venus and Mars]

I never wanted to elim creature, taylor was my #1 choice for a while but I’ll have to go look at your play then. Defending town doesn’t get you a

ton

of cred when scum wasn’t really under pressure.

Yes it does, you know why, because I’ve been consistent. Alch and I think Creature too (if he recognizes my scum alt as me?) knows that I hedge on those reads but the fact that your mindmelding with me on that is town indicative, I guess, even if you clearly have no clue how to read me.

VOTE: Tayl0r

[Venus and Mars]

Yes hard TRing town as scum limits your options but it’s not infeasible.

Well, it’s strongly town indicative for me. I don’t play like that as scum which you will eventually find out.

~M

[Infinity 324]

I’ve never played with you before so yeah. Creature, can V&M ever be scum here?

[Venus and Mars]

Alchemist is town cause setup. Creature is town by play. Everyone else could be scum fmpov. I have to do ISOs to figure out which teams make sense but that's where I'm at atm.

I’m voting Tayl0r based partially on this and partially on her being aesthetic because she wanted to vote Creature over Bulge.

Plus, I trust Alch’s plan.

My current readslist iis as follows:

V & M
Alchemist

Creature

———————————————-

You?

Tayl0r?

Bulge?


~M

[Venus and Mars]

I’ve never played with you before so yeah. Creature, can V&M ever be scum here?

I don’t think he’s ever played with my main as scum, so if he recognizes that game where I played with him on an alt, Idk but he sr me right out of the gate. That’s why I was fighting with Pun because he has really good reads. He’s caught scum in quite a few games I played with him.

~M

[Venus and Mars]

I’ve never played with you before so yeah. Creature, can V&M ever be scum here?

I don’t think he’s ever played with my main as scum, so if he recognizes that game where I played with him on an alt, Idk but he sr me right out of the gate. That’s why I was fighting with Pun because he has really good reads. He’s caught scum in quite a few games I played with him.

~M

Oh wait, nm. I completely forgot about Heroes Wanted.

We were buddies in that.

[The Bulge]

Weak = I die if I target scum.

I didn’t use my shot, didn’t think about the possibility that I could get it back.

I think we just have to wait until we elim scum, scum kills me and if there aren’t 2 deaths we assume there’s no guilty and move on.

this doesn't make sense. why would there be 2 deaths if scum kills you?

[The Bulge]

Killing taylor might just be the play

Tbh a taylor/bulge scumteam makes sense since the ascetic member will always perform the kill. That was kinda my solve anyway.

Yes, she is the only non-confirmable slot. We should hear what Bulge says but that’s a really good point. If Tayl0r is buddies with Bulge, then his clear is meaningless.

~M

what does my clear have to do with taylor? I could opt to not perform the kill regardless of my partner's abilities. also if taylor is scum how do we know she's telling the truth about her role?

[The Bulge]

Sorry if it’s not you but your aesthetic role makes you the best fade.

is this something town ever says in mylo?

[The Bulge]

I also hard vetoed both yours and Creature wagons D1.

what does this mean?

[The Bulge]

did I miss something? why are so many people removing creature from their PoEs with the same confidence as if he were mechanically cleared

[Infinity 324]

Weak = I die if I target scum.

I didn’t use my shot, didn’t think about the possibility that I could get it back.

I think we just have to wait until we elim scum, scum kills me and if there aren’t 2 deaths we assume there’s no guilty and move on.

this doesn't make sense. why would there be 2 deaths if scum kills you?

I mean, theoretically scum could kill alchemist, and then I could possibly get a guilty. Probably won't happen, but yeah.

[Infinity 324]

did I miss something? why are so many people removing creature from their PoEs with the same confidence as if he were mechanically cleared

I don't think creature has the capacity to fake what he's done this game as scum. The way V&M defended creature on d1 also didn't feel like a scumbuddy defense, so I'm trusting their read somewhat.

[The Bulge]

ah got it