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[VP Baltar]

andres' reads feeel backwards to me.

im not asking for a wall on math. im just asking someone to explain why you suspect math, because i dont get it.

I can try to do this today.

[Not_Mafia]

I think DKKoba is scum

[DkKoba]

so theres at least one scum in {shelly, dkkoba} based on their buddy-buddy interactions. im leaning towards either shelly or both. i think theres probably two scum in {infinity, koba, shelly} but not all three. i could see all three scum being in {infinity, shellly, koba, gerain}

that all the high activity slots? LOL

[sticks up hand] i'm not

I don't follow the NDmath thing. you all been in other games together and I miss what you are on about.
but Koba's response posts felt weird. feel like I have a similar reaction to taylor swift. koba is so much noise....

scum "aloofness"

[DkKoba]

I think DKKoba is scum

Thanks for townreading me

[DkKoba]

There is certainly scum in the pool of people demanding wagon LOGIC, regardless of Math's alignment.

D1 is stagnating and a flash wagon was definitely called for. People crying it's not a wall case are not convincing.

Infinity, what's your take on Taylor's reaction here?

who is that pool and why is it scum?

[DkKoba]

andres' reads feeel backwards to me.

im not asking for a wall on math. im just asking someone to explain why you suspect math, because i dont get it.

Is it scummy to you?
Looks p consistent to me based on boardstate.

[Tayl0r Swift]

andres' reads feeel backwards to me.

im not asking for a wall on math. im just asking someone to explain why you suspect math, because i dont get it.

Is it scummy to you?
Looks p consistent to me based on boardstate.

consistent? what is it consistent with? having my scumreads as town and my townreads as scum suggests that either im completely backwards or andres is backwards or andres is scum. andres generally has good reads. ive never been completely backwards on my reads. that leaves andres!scum as the remaining conclusion.

[DkKoba]

I agree its still weirdly phrased but not for the reasons u are saying

[Infinity 324]

Infinity, what's your take on Taylor's reaction here?

Still not really sure, leaning scummy

Taylor, how confident were you in your me/koba/shelly SRs before we started the math wagon?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Infinity, what's your take on Taylor's reaction here?

Still not really sure, leaning scummy

Taylor, how confident were you in your me/koba/shelly SRs before we started the math wagon?

the reads are almost entirely separate from the math wagon.

[Infinity 324]

How confident are they?

[Marky Mark]

DK explaining what misrep means != explaining what I said that she believes to be a misrep. I've pursued this fairly doggedly, because I'm not a fan of people just flinging stuff to see what sticks without having to justify themselves, but I realise I am in danger of missing stuff in the wider game by trying to chase down dkisms at this point.

wait mark do you SR koba or just dislike their playstyle

Yes.

To explain that in slightly more detail:
-I think

part

of her deflection/evasion of scrutiny and discrediting of others is potentially playstyle, but I think the extent to which she is taking it is scummy, along with some other tells, such as threatening to scumread me if I didn't back off her.
-I find some of her posts quite abrasive as many are quite personal/emotive, but I am not scumreading/FOSing her for that reason.

DK explaining what misrep means != explaining what I said that she believes to be a misrep. I've pursued this fairly doggedly, because I'm not a fan of people just flinging stuff to see what sticks without having to justify themselves, but I realise I am in danger of missing stuff in the wider game by trying to chase down dkisms at this point.

wait mark do you SR koba or just dislike their playstyle

Also, co-sign this. Vote or shut up about Koba's play style.

I hope I've been fairly clear that I find them scummy and FOSed them in 631. I can only vote for one person at a time and at this stage, I think the DGB vote achieves more (there's certainly no shortage of posts from dk).

[Marky Mark]

There is certainly scum in the pool of people demanding wagon LOGIC, regardless of Math's alignment.

D1 is stagnating and a flash wagon was definitely called for. People crying it's not a wall case are not convincing.

Infinity, what's your take on Taylor's reaction here?

This is valid - not the wagon I'd have chosen but Math is certainly not a townread right now (I would sort him as nullish) and it's already served a purpose of generating some discussion/disagreement.

[Marky Mark]

Like, I want andres to be town here, but I'm not seeing as much fire in the belly as I might expect. I don't know what his D1 play is usually like though.

Have you only experienced playing with him from D2 onwards (eg via replacement)?

[Marky Mark]

I think DKKoba is scum

Why? Any reads on the other players?

[VP Baltar]

There is certainly scum in the pool of people demanding wagon LOGIC, regardless of Math's alignment.

D1 is stagnating and a flash wagon was definitely called for. People crying it's not a wall case are not convincing.

Infinity, what's your take on Taylor's reaction here?

who is that pool and why is it scum?

Taylor and Andres off the top of my head.

I think at the very least, it is anti-town to try and immediately stifle an action that was needed to move the game forward. If I'm being less generous, I find that actively scummy because it is a direct attempt to get pressure off math and keep the game stagnated.

I'm sure Math is a big boy and can speak for himself. The town play is to let him respond and see what happens with the wagon.

[VP Baltar]

Like, I want andres to be town here, but I'm not seeing as much fire in the belly as I might expect. I don't know what his D1 play is usually like though.

Have you only experienced playing with him from D2 onwards (eg via replacement)?

Yes

[VP Baltar]

I hope I've been fairly clear that I find them scummy and FOSed them in 631. I can only vote for one person at a time and at this stage, I think the DGB vote achieves more (there's certainly no shortage of posts from dk).

You're right. You have been clear. I was being overly harsh because I was tired of reading pages about Koba's playstyle

[Tayl0r Swift]

the town play is to question things that are odd. nothing i did changed the dynamics of the math wagon. but it did generate a whole bunch of other content. i dont see how you could accuse me of trying to stagnate the game. me taking on four people who hopped on a wagon at the same time for little reason is also hardly the sort of thing scum would want to do if trying to blend in.

[Infinity 324]

How confident are they?

[Tayl0r Swift]

How confident are they?

pretty confident, very confident for this stage of day 1.

[DrippingGoofball]

I will catch up tonight.

[VP Baltar]

the town play is to question things that are odd. nothing i did changed the dynamics of the math wagon. but it did generate a whole bunch of other content. i dont see how you could accuse me of trying to stagnate the game. me taking on four people who hopped on a wagon at the same time for little reason is also hardly the sort of thing scum would want to do if trying to blend in.

It's a better scum play than letting a buddy get run up quickly and forced to claim.

Or it could be a chance as scum to defend a townie who might get yeeted.

I see benefits as scum to the minimal blowback you've taken this far

[Infinity 324]

hmm what in those math posts makes math scum all of a sudden? because i see them as largely NAI fluffposts. the one serious post was fence-sitty but mostly in a "im not gonna generate any content at all" way.

I feel like this tone doesn't match the confidence.

[Marky Mark]

@VP - fair enough that makes sense. I shall look forward to the fireworks from him later on then

I've not seen anything from andres that is giving me major cause for suspicion, although I would find it useful to understand why he finds zdenek scummy in particular rather than any of the other low-activity slots.