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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:54 pm
by Sans Undertale
i think unwnd takings shots at koba feels like something that's more likely to come from town
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:57 pm
by OkaPoka
as a person who has gotten into their fair share of toxic 1v1s you might be misreading things here
doubt unwnd even felt like they were being mean/rude/toxic. entirely nai. what matters more is koba's visceral reaction which indicates probably not scum together for some very metagamey reasons. koba's rep out is also not town indicative, honestly probably scum indicative but to be conservative ill say nai. truth is its not fun being marked for death and not being able to do much to change it esp if u are a tryhard like koba. id argue id feel entirely hopeless for scum while as town they could still contribute but meh potatoe potahto
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:58 pm
by Sans Undertale
In post 291, Harley Quinn wrote:@Hectic already said he would shoot me and no way was Infinitely surviving an F3. My heart really wasn’t in this. If I roll scum in another game, it will be too soon. At least, this is thankfully over.
is this a bad reason to townread harley, oka
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:01 pm
by OkaPoka
ehhhh feels unethical and dangerous and ive been burned by stuff like that
there was a game called baton pass where one of the slots was famous for replacing out of scumslots and basically they towncased themselves by implying they'd reject the role p.m. if they got scum lol and everyone got burned for that
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:02 pm
by OkaPoka
reject as in they basically said the reason they were town is they wouldn't have responded to the role pm
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:04 pm
by OkaPoka
and this is not even on the same level
but basically what im saying is no its not a bad reason but its not a silver bullet
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:06 pm
by Sans Undertale
i read that recently heh
shoshin's hilarious to go that far to win a mafia game. i think that's a special case though and most players wouldn't? i get this is an unethical method though
eh, i won't elaborate on more about this specific instance because i'm not sure if i'm crossing any lines here
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:07 pm
by Sans Undertale
In post 751, OkaPoka wrote:as a person who has gotten into their fair share of toxic 1v1s you might be misreading things here
doubt unwnd even felt like they were being mean/rude/toxic. entirely nai. what matters more is koba's visceral reaction which indicates probably not scum together for some very metagamey reasons. koba's rep out is also not town indicative, honestly probably scum indicative but to be conservative ill say nai. truth is its not fun being marked for death and not being able to do much to change it esp if u are a tryhard like koba. id argue id feel entirely hopeless for scum while as town they could still contribute but meh potatoe potahto
i think koba and ydrasse are unaligned for similar reasons btw. the reasons aren't as strong, but ydrasse was pissed by koba's push on her being scum for shitposting
koba scumflip here is huge
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:08 pm
by Sans Undertale
and for that reason, we really don't want unwnd or ydrasse in the bad time pool since fire probably flips scum
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:09 pm
by OkaPoka
honestly applaudable stuff i wish more scum would go to those lengths, it legitimately makes games less toxic and more enjoyable because now there is always that shadow of a doubt and people won't take crazy stuff that seriously
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:10 pm
by OkaPoka
In post 758, Sans Undertale wrote:and for that reason, we really don't want unwnd or ydrasse in the bad time pool since fire probably flips scum
i basically mixed between going all in on a fire scum yolo or hedging my bets and stuffing possible scumteams in case i massively misread koba
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:11 pm
by Sans Undertale
i'm all for rewarding toxicity less
one of these days i'll have to create an alt where i roll scum and am super toxic all game to get townlocked, just to get a taste before i'm banned...
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:11 pm
by OkaPoka
i do feel like a fire scum yolo will be 100% more memorable and exciting however if that means anything
plus if im wrong we lose quickly
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:12 pm
by Sans Undertale
what's your ideal 3 looking like right now?
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:12 pm
by OkaPoka
are we yolo'ing or making sure we can keep playing this
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:14 pm
by Sans Undertale
give me the yolo pool and the safe pool
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:14 pm
by OkaPoka
all in yolo looks like fire/aaron/mom
the lets make sure we didn't throw is fire/ydrasse/hatters
make sure we didn't throw is up to severe changes i am extremely mixed and tired and most of all it hurts the most to need to pick between you/ydrasse/harley
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:15 pm
by OkaPoka
i even suppose hatters and unwnd might be subbable idk its so weird
im just too confident on fire scum to consider unwnd scum lasdf i need to see that flip
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:18 pm
by OkaPoka
properties of sans/ydrasse/harley
sans - most townie by collaboration, least people scumread you, picking you would be a big middle finger to the spirit of unity
ydrasse - most active in mechanically townsiding imo
harley - best chance of autowin dance 6p if town
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:20 pm
by Sans Undertale
my gaster senses want us to yolo it, though i disagree with the specific 3
i mean whatever, if we somehow lose day 1 i'm not even gonna be that mad, barely invested any time into the game and pooky will probably run more and better dance games
it feels kinda sucky to compromise on players you think are town just to guarantee we don't lose to the edge case scenario
i think if we just go for 3 scummiest slots it's hard to blunder
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:21 pm
by Sans Undertale
like our reads can't be thaaat bad
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:24 pm
by OkaPoka
more thoughts on who to pick:
ive talked about fire and koba scumcasing through and through, you can iso me for bits and pieces but some other properties is this slot is literally the only slot with an active majority that wants their elimination, is that incredibly fucked? yeah, but it is what it is.
aaron is second with a plurality, tough one because i feel plenty justified to sort of policy aaron out for the way they chose to engage with this game and me but everyone against me is kinda criticizing me for picking them for not agreeing with me. which i mean technically isn't wrong i might be just annoyed with the playstyle and if they really are flavor leaf then like well i have literally scumread them on d1 in every single game we've played together.
then technically the next picks would be between mom/hatters
we just don't have consensus. the next best thing to consensus is a bop. but nobody here is bopable. unlucky really.
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:25 pm
by Sans Undertale
fire + aaron + hatters
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:27 pm
by OkaPoka
the thing is i want to collaborate in spite of all my detractors saying that im just picking people who disagree with me to kill. but i can't really figure out a good way to collaborate on this if we literally don't have a majority outside ONE slot. we need three slots. and like every slot i bring up, lots of people aren't going to be happy. deadline is running short, i think i really just need to force something and everybody who is talkative isn't confident and everybody who is confident isn't talkative. asdfsdfsdfadsfad i hate
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:28 pm
by Sans Undertale
but now we need to deal with mara potentially dunking herself to save fire for whatever reason
mara, can you promise to not actually do that and listen to the consensus of the town? work as a team, y'know