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Maybe Rathe and Nom scum theatre to distance here?

Sweet another outlandish partner theory on d1 lol
what prompted this?
Do you individually scumread rathe?

catchin' up now

In post 700, T3 wrote:It's more that a 1 town and 1 scum neighborhood sounds weird.

should point out this happens literally all the time

i actually think anya is scummier than kyouko at this point though

In post 720, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 690, petapan wrote:i wouldn't say the posts he quoted are inherently towny in a vacuum but i don't think they're especially bad, at all, and in light of the body of work i don't have a problem with it. if all she'd done was those votes/reads i wouldn't be confidently townreading there, but the strength of the read from

other posts

means it doesn't matter that much.

What are the "other posts?" I quoted its entire ISO except for the mech related posts which I don't find alignment indicative.

i don't think switching from scumreading kyouko to voting anya after kyouko made a post explaining himself is scummy at all, and in fact explicitly dislike dwlee trying to frame it as bad in some way. it's like, someone thinks one thing > someone explains themself > they change their mind. that sequence is probably +town if anything

I typically like to see some sort of explanation for the change. Kyouko wasn't scumreading Anya I don't think (or at least wasn't voting her) so DGB saying "I believe you" and switching to Anya feels like it requires more explanation. Unvoting Kyouko, sure, I can understand that from what Kyouko posted, but why Anya?

"i don't find the mechanical stuff AI" well i do, what are you hoping to accomplish here exactly

liek, that stuff about the latter sequence as well, these feel like questions you should be asking to dgb and not me, seeing as dgb is still a player in the game and is capable of explaining themselves

I'm asking you to explain your read. These questions aren't for me to figure out DGB's alignment, it's to figure out yours.

I just don't understand how it is town-indicative for DGB to do very little except to talk about (what we agree is) anti-town mechanical play, but it is scum-indicative that I disagreed with it and discussed it in the beginning of the game. You accused me of trying to appear busy by talking about it (on page 1 and 2 no less) but you're fine with DGB posting about it in two digit pages and contributing little elsewhere.

In post 730, Dwlee99 wrote:You know what, I just lost a game to STD so I wanna see where this goes
VOTE: STD

In post 733, Dwlee99 wrote:We lost that game in an interesting way because I would have wanted to get you/Tris/No Lim out in the group of 3 thing, but regardless of that, I think your posting is kind of similar. I can't tell if it's just your playstyle so maybe I should look into your past games (I hate meta but whatever) to see if it's the same, but the way you kinda just pop in do random stuff bothers me. It's the like how I'm baffled by the townread on DGB when it does the same thing.

In post 735, Dwlee99 wrote:I see you make votes and do ~things~ but I feel like I don't have any insight into what you're thinking which makes it hard for me to know if you're evil.

to a certain extent this seems like annoyance at people who aren't saying much getting townread. i don't like the vote but the actual interaction with save the dragons is a little better, but rather than actually prodding him to explain anything it's just saying "you don't explain yourself so i think you might be scum" which is not much of a launching point for anything

In post 754, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm asking you to explain your read. These questions aren't for me to figure out DGB's alignment, it's to figure out yours.

In post 755, Dwlee99 wrote:I just don't understand how it is town-indicative for DGB to do very little except to talk about (what we agree is) anti-town mechanical play, but it is scum-indicative that I disagreed with it and discussed it in the beginning of the game. You accused me of trying to appear busy by talking about it (on page 1 and 2 no less) but you're fine with DGB posting about it in two digit pages and contributing little elsewhere.

but the way you phrase this seems like you decidedly don't think dgb should be townread for what it's doing, so why are you apparently totally uninterested in speaking to dgb?

anyway, the answer is only ever going to boil down to "i've played with dgb before and the things you are claiming are strange amount to playstyle quirks rather than anything alignment indicative". that's unlikely to satisfy you and i absolutely do not give a fuck


on a skim of the noughts and crosses game i actually think save the dragons is qualitatively different here than he was in that game, BUT that is an unusual setup and not nearly as familiar with him based on a small sample so i wouldn't strongly base my read of him off that. do think he's playing the game in a towny way

In post 756, petapan wrote: to a certain extent this seems like annoyance at people who aren't saying much getting townread. i don't like the vote but the actual interaction with save the dragons is a little better, but rather than actually prodding him to explain anything it's just saying "you don't explain yourself so i think you might be scum" which is not much of a launching point for anything

I am a very talkative player so yeah. I was hoping STD might explain at least some of their current thoughts in response but I'm beginning to suspect that's not going to happen. Guess I could have been more direct in asking for thoughts on a specific thing.

In post 757, petapan wrote: but the way you phrase this seems like you decidedly don't think dgb should be townread for what it's doing, so why are you apparently totally uninterested in speaking to dgb?

I'm fine with people having a slight townread on DGB, you said your read is much stronger than that. I am decently null on the slot and want to direct my focus. Determining your alignment is infinitely more useful than determining DGB's because you have way more interactions with other people in the game and are going to be here responding.

petapan wrote:anyway, the answer is only ever going to boil down to "i've played with dgb before and the things you are claiming are strange amount to playstyle quirks rather than anything alignment indicative". that's unlikely to satisfy you and i absolutely do not give a fuck

I understand a lot of the strange things are playstyle which is why I'm null-reading it and why I asked you for an explanation of the town-read. If it all comes down to the mech stuff then okay I guess we will just disagree on that.

I think if Nero is right about TvT Dwlee/peta (he also posits DGB but I disagree) that Dragon of the West makes sense as scum. Just finished a full reread in that frame of mind and realized DotW's catchup only looks like a catchup but seems to just build into a manufactured vote on a popular scumread Peta.

It seems odd to me that nobody, even Peta noticed that the game that he "specifically linked" to DotW had in fact been posted long before a game had been requested in the "Mod Meta" post. DotW cites "cherry picking" as a reason to vote Peta, which is a reason Nero brings up early on to scumread Peta, iirc. I know Nero used the term and I believe newbscum!DotW stole that to manufacture a scumread on Peta.

VOTE: DotW

I can get quotes but I'm on mobile atm. Combined iso peta/DotW for.context

Right now I would like to lim in [DotW, nomnomnom | DGB | Rathe], won't do Anya, Dunn, Nero toDay. Sidebars indicate degrees of intent.

Sorry all, I have been out of it. Still VLA until tomorrow unfortunately - just recovering from a brutal week IRL.

i've lost all passion and energy i think i need a mafia break after this game

VOTE: dragon of the west sheeping my neighbour bc he's town with a good read or is bussing

At this point my only big srs and kyo and peta.
pedit: scumslip???!?! VOTE: anya

Anya/Kyo have either of you asked Gypyx for the list of people in your neighborhood?

no i'll ask him now

Wait nvm I misunderstood the wording
UNVOTE: Anya

it's just kyouko and i

sorry all, i promise to make it up to you nerds

In post 760, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I think if Nero is right about TvT Dwlee/peta (he also posits DGB but I disagree) that Dragon of the West makes sense as scum. Just finished a full reread in that frame of mind and realized DotW's catchup only looks like a catchup but seems to just build into a manufactured vote on a popular scumread Peta.

It seems odd to me that nobody, even Peta noticed that the game that he "specifically linked" to DotW had in fact been posted long before a game had been requested in the "Mod Meta" post. DotW cites "cherry picking" as a reason to vote Peta, which is a reason Nero brings up early on to scumread Peta, iirc. I know Nero used the term and I believe newbscum!DotW stole that to manufacture a scumread on Peta.

VOTE: DotW

In post 761, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I can get quotes but I'm on mobile atm. Combined iso peta/DotW for.context

Provide quotes when you can.

Tbh, I didn't realize the game he originally linked me was the one he already linked in his Mod Meta post until he mentioned it. However, my point was he tried using that specific game to rationalize his play this game and that was a game where he played cautious scum...and then used that to say he couldn't be aggressive scum this game. I felt it would've made more sense to show me a game where he had played aggressive town (I'm reading through the aggro town game he later linked atm). Also, if you did read my ISO I made it clear in that I had a scum read on him independent of what I considered him to be cherry picking the game he linked

In post 760, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I think if Nero is right about TvT Dwlee/peta (he also posits DGB but I disagree) that Dragon of the West makes sense as scum. Just finished a full reread in that frame of mind and realized DotW's catchup only looks like a catchup but seems to just build into a manufactured vote on a popular scumread Peta.

It seems odd to me that nobody, even Peta noticed that the game that he "specifically linked" to DotW had in fact been posted long before a game had been requested in the "Mod Meta" post. DotW cites "cherry picking" as a reason to vote Peta, which is a reason Nero brings up early on to scumread Peta, iirc. I know Nero used the term and I believe newbscum!DotW stole that to manufacture a scumread on Peta.

VOTE: DotW

The really strange thing about this post to me after reading through your ISO is that you haven't really made a strong claim about Nero and the entirety of your "full reread" that leads to you thinking I'm scum is based on the premise of "if Nero is right about TvT Dwlee/peta"

Also, I'm pretty sure one of my very first posts said I was scumreading peta, well before peta had linked me to anything that I would've called cherry picking

let's pretend that ssbm and anya have bubonic plague (yes ppl still get it) and not go near them

In post 773, Nero Cain wrote:let's pretend that ssbm and anya have bubonic plague (yes ppl still get it) and not go near them

Kyo really seems scummy to me. If Kyo and Anya are the only people in the neighborhood, it could not even be a neighborhood and they could just both be mafia doing some weird gambit. I'm not as strong on Anya but the whole thing between those 2 is weird