Toog is fairly universally town read
Pav is fairly universally scum read
All of Toog, Enchant, and Vulture have very few expressed town reads, and I had to just plug in a lot of "null reads" on everyone out side of thier scum piles
I am less widely town read then I thought I was x.x
(The partial votes are, Hectic's read on me, because he seems to be bouncing back and forth, and then Toog's read on Hockey because he said he should not make it to end game, but then was not in his most recent solve)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:07 am
by Lukewarm
In post 750, Lukewarm wrote:Toog is fairly universally town read
Pav is fairly universally scum read
For both of these, it means that the scum are sitting with the same reads as the town on these slots.
All of Toog, Enchant, and Vulture have very few expressed town reads, and I had to just plug in a lot of "null reads" on everyone out side of thier scum piles
Can you 3 give like a full reads list?
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:11 am
by Lukewarm
I guess I am trying to decide if I think that implies that we are wrong on Pav, and scum team is riding it, or are his partners bussing / letting him sink
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:17 am
by Pavowski
In post 750, Lukewarm wrote:@Marci, I dont know if this will help you at all, but I tried my best to compile how everyone is being read
This is everyone, but for some people, if I could not find an expressed read, I plugged it in as "null reads"
Toog is fairly universally town read
Pav is fairly universally scum read
All of Toog, Enchant, and Vulture have very few expressed town reads, and I had to just plug in a lot of "null reads" on everyone out side of thier scum piles
I am less widely town read then I thought I was x.x
(The partial votes are, Hectic's read on me, because he seems to be bouncing back and forth, and then Toog's read on Hockey because he said he should not make it to end game, but then was not in his most recent solve)
This is the kind of analysis I felt I needed to do but really didn't want to do. Thanks Luke.
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:37 am
by marcistar
what if i just meme shoot if nobody wants to help hehe
Toog is fairly universally town read
Pav is fairly universally scum read
All of Toog, Enchant, and Vulture have very few expressed town reads, and I had to just plug in a lot of "null reads" on everyone out side of thier scum piles
I am less widely town read then I thought I was x.x
(The partial votes are, Hectic's read on me, because he seems to be bouncing back and forth, and then Toog's read on Hockey because he said he should not make it to end game, but then was not in his most recent solve)
I think you misread cuz I sr Pav
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:57 pm
by HockeyFan
In post 749, Pavowski wrote:I mean he's wrong, but I was way wrong on Marci so I guess I can't be mad about it. The question is if he's wrong because he's scum or because I don't know how to not sound scummy.
Actually, I guess it could be both.
Anyway, refresh my memory? Your solve is me + ?
You,Enchant plus possible deep wolf in Luke, although that one can be Hectic. Togeloo probs my only TR rn
Whatever, I just bolded the part where is says Hockey: Pav(TR)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:32 pm
by Pavowski
In post 752, Lukewarm wrote:I guess I am trying to decide if I think that implies that we are wrong on Pav, and scum team is riding it, or are his partners bussing / letting him sink
Put another way, scum would be happy to give me the gun
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:44 pm
by Lukewarm
In post 763, HockeyFan wrote:Whatever, I just bolded the part where is says Hockey: Pav(TR)
The chart was a list of how people were being read.
That means I have pav as town reading you. Not the other way around
Pav : Hec(SR)
Hoc(SR)
Luke(SR) Toog (SR) Ench (NR) Vult(SR)
I was trying to get a feel for if there were any consensus town or scum reads
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:12 pm
by Enchant
Considering Pav scumreaded by everyone else, i think he is town.
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:30 pm
by Hectic
I should've played like a jester so I could get the gun early this game
Pav is a consensus scumread because he's scum and his 2 partners aren't gonna defend hum when very single other town player scumreading him. Otherwise, his partners would look like his partners
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:33 pm
by Hectic
I find Luke's analysis up there +scum, since he makes factual observations but doesn't try to draw any conclusions from it, which I think town!Luke likely would
752 outlines the possibilities with regards to Pav, but is very non-committal and he doesn't aim to express which he thinks is most likely
In post 752, Lukewarm wrote:I guess I am trying to decide if I think that implies that we are wrong on Pav, and scum team is riding it, or are his partners bussing / letting him sink :dead:
Put another way, scum would be happy to give me the gun :shifty:
In post 766, Enchant wrote:Considering Pav scumreaded by everyone else, i think he is town.
Honestly I could be wrong on Pav just because of the fact no matter how much I scumcase whatever he posts he comes back and gives more takes and reads, like it doesn't seem to phase him at all. I have caught myself scumreading town payers similar to Pav with waffly (nice?) tones, so it might be that again
I feel more confident in a Luke shot at this current time
In post 282, Pavowski wrote:Ugh everybody alive has a 50/50 shot at being scum, do not like
What do you mean, everyone alive has a 50/50 shot at being scum?
Everyone is a null read?
No I mean in a vacuum there are 4 scum to 8 shootable slots
I was getting ready to accuse you of tmi'ing how many scum there are, but double checked it is in the OP from the mod, and apparently I just missed it lol
4 seems like a lot for an 11 player game, but probably makes sense since we are nightless
Hmm, did you forget we were playing an open game
and did you look at the setup page when signing up in the queue?
I never looked at the setup from the queue. ArcAngel modded the last game that all of Me, Marci, Pav, and T3 played in, and she asked us to sign up for this on in the post game of that one, and I did just because she asked lol
And I already knew how popcorn worked, because in a discord conversation like a week before I in'ed Notscience, LLD, and Cabd were talking about the set up when aa9 first signed up to mod it. So, I understood the gun mechanic even before aa9 asked up to join her game
So, yeah, I missed the town / scum split :oops:
I can't say much on this, because these specific events are probably true
What I don't understand is how town!Lukewarm forgot we were playing an open game that he signed up for in the open queue
It does say "Open 822: Popcorn Mafia" up there
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:45 pm
by Hectic
I seriously do not mind getting shot right now btw, I welcome it
I just really don't want to be shot if marci misfires given that would lose the game
My elim pool is Luke, Hectic, Vulture, and Enchant right this second. Hockey seems unlikely and Toog is gutpinging me hard as town over their recent posts.
Problem is I don't see a ton of scum equity among those 4, although this setup doesn't necessarily lend itself to the scum team showing a lot of equity. I also have a hard time thinking Luke and Hectic could be teamed, though I don't think I could articulate a good reason for that.
So... Enchant, Vulture, Luke/Hectic.
I go back and forth on Hectic. On one hand I feel like he's reading me unfavorably at almost every opportunity to try and get me shot. On the other he could be genuinely scum hunting and I just look bad for him. I know I was all gung-ho shoot Hectic this morning but honestly he's still one that could flip either way and not surprise me at all. (I double-talk myself a lot, which is probably the source of most of the scumreads against me, but I am what I am.)
Gun to head, I'd shoot Hectic over Luke. Ask me again in a couple hours and that could change.
But tomorrow's Saturday so I'm planning to re-read the game and see if my gutfeels line up with a look back.
In post 747, Pavowski wrote:Also sorry if I'm being extra-thick again but I dunno what pog means?
In post 749, Pavowski wrote:I mean he's wrong, but I was way wrong on Marci so I guess I can't be mad about it. The question is if he's wrong because he's scum or because I don't know how to not sound scummy.
Actually, I guess it could be both.
Anyway, refresh my memory? Your solve is me + ?
This is what specifically made me rethink Pav
His read on me ever since I started pushing him as been fairly complex. I can tell he goes back on forth on me, replying in good faith whenever I answer him questions, but expressing how he doesn't like my push. He's also aware on some level that he "sounds scummy". Like it's a lot better than just a standard OMGUS reaction or just "you're town and wrong", and that underlying thinking might make him town
Toogeloo's advice columns to marci have slightly rubbed me the wrong way, but I can't articulate why. Or maybe I'm just starting to think that because I think Pav may be town so someone needs to take his place as scum lol
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:09 am
by Hectic
Inspired new solve:
Lukewarm + Enchant + Toogeloo
I reread Hockey and Vulture both again but I still think they're both town. T3 whiteknight of Hockey is a big factor for him. While, Vulture's 1v1 with Luewarm (assuming I am correct on Luke) is a big factor for him. Which leaves Toogeloo
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:40 am
by Pavowski
Hectic you have me cracking up this morning. You go from absolutely certain I'm scum in 767 to pretty sure I'm town in 772 with zero input from outside sources.
I'm not even saying it's scum-indicative or anything -- I'm barely awake and hardly thinking yet so I'll decide that later -- but you made me laugh and I APPRECIATE YOU
Now watch as the rest of the lobby uses this as evidence we are scum together.
r u scum yes or yes
