In post 741, alstroemerial wrote:Wow a lot to respond to but I'm going to start by tossing out maybe it doesn't make sense for the doc to CC unless we are pitting Mo against someone, etc. Mo has fakeclaimed PR as town in prior games, or it could be scum!Mo trying to fish out the doctor. The way for scum to save this, I think, is to find the doctor to kill both the PRs ASAP. If Mo is actually doctor, well, I don't think it made sense to claim at all, but Mo's meta adds enough WIFOM that I'm dubious.
tl;dr: if Mo is fakeclaiming doc I don't think that's enough for doc to CC because he has done this as town and would just draw out the actual doc for a nk
stop talking bout my claim and move on.
if im not doc, real doc can evaulate im actually fakeclaiming either as town or scum.
its nai and no point of talking bout it. if scum believe im doc, they just kill me assuming no STUPID cc will come out the way.
just dont focus on it and give scum more info. just please. move on.
Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:33 am
by GrandpaMo
i just die tonight rip
Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:34 am
by GrandpaMo
In post 747, alstroemerial wrote:agh agh agh actually I should have gathered my thoughts instead of posting each one individually. Having thoroughly processed the catchup and in the absence of any cc I find it more likely that the second, town T3 thing is true after all. So, if T3 was scum, it would be for reasons other than what I have been alluding to.
VOTE: Egix because at least T3 did vote for LQ. here are some other things for everyone's consideration, which are more compelling now that I have less reason to believe in my T3 gambit theory:
In post 324, alstroemerial wrote:For now, I'm going to VOTE: Egix to try to squeeze some more content out. Question for you: Has your read on LQ changed since 111 given that they've been particularly active, and since the whole slip discussion?
I won't be able to sit down and form a comprehensive, updated read until I am back from visiting my grandparents today, but for the time being I will say that I don't think it's a good idea to yeet the top poster on D1 unless there is a very compelling case for them being scum, because if they flip town it's a huge blow.
early defense
i think this vote my secure that ther is probably 1 maf between alstro and egix?
In post 336, Egix96 wrote:Smh, 250 looks worse now that I've reviewed LQ's posts and seen that he actually had a town lean on Clasko in 127.
On the other hand, I do get mild town feels from 157/159, and as I mentioned earlier, I wouldn't want to jump to conclusions here if it just ends up all being for nothing.
In post 266, Roden wrote:I'd probably still vote LQ first. The flail looked townie, but Margot hasn't really done anything to earn scum points from me. Unless she does some real scummy shit before EoD, I'm putting my vote back on LQ.
I disagree. Aorn I would almost always vote Margot before Quickety.
In post 470, Roden wrote:What makes you think Margot is scummier?
Eh, it's more that I think she is less towny rather than more scummy, seeing as if I thought anyone were outright scummy I would be hounding them. LQ has 157/159 as I mentioned before, whereas Margot only has the "mixup" I mentioned in 111 (gee that feels like it was ages ago) and although I eased off because of Clasko having a TR on her, it seems that not even he believes in that any more. Also also a bit of "sort by postcount, become werewolf expert".
LQ has made really weird pushes all day while Margot just feels more subdued.
I would say that it's Margot who has been being weird whereas LQ has made opportunistic moves, but now that I've said that... well, that only makes me less right and you more right.
more push on Margot instead of LQ
In post 474, Egix96 wrote:But yeah, I'm aware of the dilemma: if LQ flips green, I'll feel like a numpty for not having done enough to prevent it, but if he flips red I know I'll look terrible.
In post 747, alstroemerial wrote:agh agh agh actually I should have gathered my thoughts instead of posting each one individually. Having thoroughly processed the catchup and in the absence of any cc I find it more likely that the second, town T3 thing is true after all. So, if T3 was scum, it would be for reasons other than what I have been alluding to.
VOTE: Egix because at least T3 did vote for LQ. here are some other things for everyone's consideration, which are more compelling now that I have less reason to believe in my T3 gambit theory:
In post 324, alstroemerial wrote:For now, I'm going to VOTE: Egix to try to squeeze some more content out. Question for you: Has your read on LQ changed since 111 given that they've been particularly active, and since the whole slip discussion?
I won't be able to sit down and form a comprehensive, updated read until I am back from visiting my grandparents today, but for the time being I will say that I don't think it's a good idea to yeet the top poster on D1 unless there is a very compelling case for them being scum, because if they flip town it's a huge blow.
early defense
In post 336, Egix96 wrote:Smh, 250 looks worse now that I've reviewed LQ's posts and seen that he actually had a town lean on Clasko in 127.
On the other hand, I do get mild town feels from 157/159, and as I mentioned earlier, I wouldn't want to jump to conclusions here if it just ends up all being for nothing.
In post 266, Roden wrote:I'd probably still vote LQ first. The flail looked townie, but Margot hasn't really done anything to earn scum points from me. Unless she does some real scummy shit before EoD, I'm putting my vote back on LQ.
I disagree. Aorn I would almost always vote Margot before Quickety.
In post 470, Roden wrote:What makes you think Margot is scummier?
Eh, it's more that I think she is less towny rather than more scummy, seeing as if I thought anyone were outright scummy I would be hounding them. LQ has 157/159 as I mentioned before, whereas Margot only has the "mixup" I mentioned in 111 (gee that feels like it was ages ago) and although I eased off because of Clasko having a TR on her, it seems that not even he believes in that any more. Also also a bit of "sort by postcount, become werewolf expert".
LQ has made really weird pushes all day while Margot just feels more subdued.
I would say that it's Margot who has been being weird whereas LQ has made opportunistic moves, but now that I've said that... well, that only makes me less right and you more right.
more push on Margot instead of LQ
In post 474, Egix96 wrote:But yeah, I'm aware of the dilemma: if LQ flips green, I'll feel like a numpty for not having done enough to prevent it, but if he flips red I know I'll look terrible.
i quoted it wrong -- here is what i said in resposne to the above quote ^
i think this vote my secure that ther is probably 1 maf between alstro and egix?
Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:49 am
by alstroemerial
Okey if you don't think T3 is mafia, want to move over to Egix for today?
In post 741, alstroemerial wrote:Wow a lot to respond to but I'm going to start by tossing out maybe it doesn't make sense for the doc to CC unless we are pitting Mo against someone, etc. Mo has fakeclaimed PR as town in prior games, or it could be scum!Mo trying to fish out the doctor. The way for scum to save this, I think, is to find the doctor to kill both the PRs ASAP. If Mo is actually doctor, well, I don't think it made sense to claim at all, but Mo's meta adds enough WIFOM that I'm dubious.
tl;dr: if Mo is fakeclaiming doc I don't think that's enough for doc to CC because he has done this as town and would just draw out the actual doc for a nk
stop talking bout my claim and move on.
if im not doc, real doc can evaulate im actually fakeclaiming either as town or scum.
its nai and no point of talking bout it. if scum believe im doc, they just kill me assuming no STUPID cc will come out the way.
just dont focus on it and give scum more info. just please. move on.
In post 730, Roden wrote:I don't think prolonging the day has gotten us anywhere. We need to come together on a vote before EoD in case the person we run up ends up claiming something other than VT.
Alstro, if you're town and you genuinely believe T3 is scum, you need to come up with a better case than "What if your assumption is wrong?" because even if we are wrong, scum!T3 doesn't ever win at end game anyway. So what exactly makes you think he's scum besides being secretive about his plan? And who else do you think is the second scum if you're wrong about T3?
Alright, I'm sleep-deprived so maybe saying too much, but here's another hint-eroo regarding my earlier posts. Recent conversation offers evidence to readers that my first hypothesis (T3 setting up for endgame) is more likely.
I have said multiple times that my main PoE pool is T3 and Egix. Thus I would most like to move to Egix if not T3. However, again as I have said before, T3 and LQ's interactions on Day 1 can come off as SvS and distancing, especially with the hammer once it was a foregone conclusion that LQ was going to get eliminated.
I'm not sure what the evidence is.
I can see what you mean about T3, but he also could've tied it up and convinced you or panicked someone on Margot's wagon to vote his way to avoid a no-elim. If he's scum then he has me pocketed as well, so he should've felt pretty safe saving LQ. I just think it would've been really easy to mis-elim Margot if he's scum.
I'm not really sure what to think about Alstro where his posts to me seem like there's a good deal of WIFORM such as the things with T3 and about the GrandpaMo claim. It can seem like you're threatened by both of these things and not look really scummy since town does this.
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:37 am
by StrangeMatter
With EoD coming up I think Alstro should go and we have one confirmed out of T3 and Egix if Mafia NKs. Otherwise we
VOTE: Alstromerical
E-1 (4/5 Votes)
Actually, Roden how confident were you that you knew who was doctor?
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:13 am
by alstroemerial
ok lmao I really didn't want to do this but I am the doctor. Didn't CC unless I was at E-1 for reasons outlined in 741.
All of my crumbs and hints below. Lots of reference to the mechanic that the doctor cannot protect themselves at night.
In post 117, Clasko wrote:Nothing immediately alignment-indicative has come from Egix yet, and
the 'vibes' post on Hockey was a bit 'meh',
but they're making an effort with their recent reads and are looking at alternate angles for them that weren't immediately obvious to me.
For when you come back: are you able to explain why that was?
On that note: I'm finding Alstro's 130 to be meh, mainly because I don't vibe with the reasoning given in the first and last paragraphs.
D
o you have any questions about those paragraphs?
O
r, also, does it help if I add that, in light of recent developments, part of the reason I had Margot so high was I thought she had hinted tracker, so I’m less confident now that I know that’s not the case.
C
an’t see enough to push to a SL though. As for the last paragraph, it was just some general comment on the wagon?
In post 303, alstroemerial wrote:The game has been so quiet that it’s hard to find someone that I feel super duper fired up about. But I get that
we all want to save ourselves
from a no elim and that countdown is making me a little nervous. Looking at Clasko again though I don’t really SR it? I don’t think scum would close the door on fakeclaiming tracker early like in 55, and it seems like they’re trying to solve. Curious how they answer my question.
from a no elim and try to continue to chime in a bit.
In post 640, alstroemerial wrote:
Scum could also be willing to gamble on a 50-50 shot that we're in a setup with an FN given that they're in a tight spot. I am curious about Clasko though given that he was prodded and we haven't heard from him since, but since he hasn't been replaced he must have picked up the prod during the night.
Either way, there are some circumstances where a player could find that targeting the tracker is the right answer.
/shrug
(This was a reference that I was on Tracker last night)
Lastly my suspicion on T3 was that everyone thought he was extremely softing doctor. As doctor you know there's decent odds that there is a tracker, and the same goes if you're in a mafia team with a power role (narrowing the columns down). But then it becomes so overt, like, is T3 actually the doctor or just trying to bait the NK? Hence the WIFOM. But it could also be setting up evidence for a doctor fakeclaim in the endgame.
I truly think Mo is VT who was trying to bait the NK, but oh well we can't have nice things
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:19 am
by alstroemerial
If I am limmed I'll reiterate that my PoE is {Egix, T3, Mo} but very much in that order (1, 2, 3). I do recognize that my flip will be helpful, which it better be because after that some scumhunting will be necessary without Ythan.
With less than 12 hours to go I'll shift back to VOTE: T3 but I'll be around this evening (EST) to help prevent a no elim somewhere else if necessary (feels more natural to say prevent instead of save if I'm not crumbing. . . . )
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:21 am
by StrangeMatter
So now there's two doctor claims. That's helpful. UNVOTE:
In post 741, alstroemerial wrote:Wow a lot to respond to but I'm going to start by tossing out maybe it doesn't make sense for the doc to CC unless we are pitting Mo against someone, etc. Mo has fakeclaimed PR as town in prior games, or it could be scum!Mo trying to fish out the doctor. The way for scum to save this, I think, is to find the doctor to kill both the PRs ASAP. If Mo is actually doctor, well, I don't think it made sense to claim at all, but Mo's meta adds enough WIFOM that I'm dubious.
tl;dr: if Mo is fakeclaiming doc I don't think that's enough for doc to CC because he has done this as town and would just draw out the actual doc for a nk
stop talking bout my claim and move on.
if im not doc, real doc can evaulate im actually fakeclaiming either as town or scum.
its nai and no point of talking bout it. if scum believe im doc, they just kill me assuming no STUPID cc will come out the way.
just dont focus on it and give scum more info. just please. move on.
Why do you always post the scummiest things possible when trying to gain town cred?
hows this scum?
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:29 am
by GrandpaMo
In post 764, alstroemerial wrote:If I am limmed I'll reiterate that my PoE is {Egix, T3, Mo} but very much in that order (1, 2, 3). I do recognize that my flip will be helpful, which it better be because after that some scumhunting will be necessary without Ythan.
With less than 12 hours to go I'll shift back to VOTE: T3 but I'll be around this evening (EST) to help prevent a no elim somewhere else if necessary (feels more natural to say prevent instead of save if I'm not crumbing. . . . )
vote egix wit me
VOTE: Egix
i think 86.79% we win this game after this condemn
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:31 am
by alstroemerial
I agree, but it seems like you and I are the only ones that feel that way and I don't want to run out of time
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:34 am
by GrandpaMo
In post 769, alstroemerial wrote:I agree, but it seems like you and I are the only ones that feel that way and I don't want to run out of time
nah i think ur doc claim will have ppl unvoting u and vote with the confirmed.
smh yk im the real doc; ill just let u roleswap <3
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:36 am
by StrangeMatter
So let's not vote out Grandpa and Astromerical, and if one of them dies its probably the other.
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:37 am
by StrangeMatter
*dies and reveals Doctor.
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:41 am
by GrandpaMo
In post 771, StrangeMatter wrote:So let's not vote out Grandpa and Astromerical, and if one of them dies its probably the other.
... or we are both town?
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:52 am
by StrangeMatter
Well that could be true, but I'm not voting between you two either way.
