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In post 7522, Menalque wrote:Like literally most of the game @miss lynch

Also where did you case me?

In post 7389, Miss Lane wrote:Menalque very conveniently has found every player that brings up serious suspicion against him scummy. That includes myself, FL, davesaz, among others. In addition, his chainsaw/white knight of Cephrir was strange and I'd really like one of those three flipped, I'm very much not opposed to it being him.

In post 7363, Menalque wrote:

In post 7354, Miss Lane wrote:

In post 7351, davesaz wrote:I'm gonna answer the question that I expect to come up from 7162 without even refreshing the page, using the quick reply. So I have no idea if anyone has even asked this, but...

I read Menalque as highly manipulative. I don't care how towny he feels himself to be, or how towny others feel him to be. He's too pushy at a point in the game that we don't know alignments yet. That's being manipulative, regardless of alignment, and I don't like it. Let things flow.

+1

Elements is also a thinking being, plenty capable of making his own decision as far as the kill is concerned. Unless he specifically asks for your input, you're simply giving away more information than you have to or probably should from an optimal game standpoint, and it implies general disrespect for Elements' judgement by implying that he can't think for himself from a human being standpoint.

Why are you assuming that elements is actually a town vig rather than another killing role claiming town vig?

Based on what I know of elements, I really don't think that he thinks through his claims all that much - no offense to him (I quite enjoyed talking/playing with him, actually) - he's not particularly creative with his mafia claims, and in addition he's not a very good liar, at least not in my opinion. I have played scum before multiple times and rarely do I see a lot of coaching - when I have tried to coach players myself, the plays that they are asked to make feel very very awkward and forced - see the day 3 IC claim in Anuket Topaz. This doesn't feel like that. So personally I think it's a bit of a stretch to think that the kill he claimed would be the factional one, I very much expect that he has his own personal kill, regardless of his alignment.

That said - Menalque is remarkably quick to set elements up as lying here, and it's rather disturbing that - based on his play so far - he seems to throw enough shade around that it wouldn't surprise me if he turned on any player at any point. It seems very much to me that Menalque doesn't particularly care who does and does not get lynched, does anyone particularly disagree with this statement?

My vote is currently on Titus, but I will support Titus, TSE, Menalque, Flavor Leaf, or Cephrir today.

In post 7459, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:

In post 7458, Menalque wrote:I’d quite like one of dave/miss lynch/amrun to case me because I think it’ll be a lot harder to do than it is to just throw shade in my direction and give me clear arguments on why I’m scummy and where that I can actually argue with

I’d prefer miss lynch out of everyone.
As their entire ISO is just shading others.

In post 7527, Menalque wrote:That’s not a case un my book that’s just you saying things and also it’s already dealt with so I’ll leave it

I just skimmed your ISO and yeah, fair enough, I was extrapolating from similar reads at points that you would be TRing me but you weren’t as it turned out

Still think you’re probably town from a few of the posts in your ISO so I’m not gonna bothering fighting you here

In post 7528, Menalque wrote:I think a couple of your longer posts were very good but I think your push on me is vaguely hypocritical and that you should re-evaluate

In post 7530, Miss Lane wrote:

In post 7528, Menalque wrote:I think a couple of your longer posts were very good but I think your push on me is vaguely hypocritical and that you should re-evaluate

How so?

In post 7356, Menalque wrote:I find dave’s progression very screwy and I think it’s weird he’s pushing at me given what he’s said

In post 7162, davesaz wrote:Leave yourself out of the "we" and I might allow it.

In post 7351, davesaz wrote:I'm gonna answer the question that I expect to come up from 7162 without even refreshing the page, using the quick reply. So I have no idea if anyone has even asked this, but...

I read Menalque as highly manipulative. I don't care how towny he feels himself to be, or how towny others feel him to be. He's too pushy at a point in the game that we don't know alignments yet. That's being manipulative, regardless of alignment, and I don't like it. Let things flow.

In post 7161, Menalque wrote:We give you a list of targets to shoot within

In post 7162, davesaz wrote:Leave yourself out of the "we" and I might allow it.

In post 7527, Menalque wrote:Still think you’re probably town

In post 7531, Menalque wrote:

In post 7530, Miss Lane wrote:

In post 7528, Menalque wrote:I think a couple of your longer posts were very good but I think your push on me is vaguely hypocritical and that you should re-evaluate

How so?

Specifically claiming I’m scummy for not having a preference on who gets lynched when, even looking past the fact that this is demonstrably untrue, you’ve had multiple posts where you’ve said “I don’t really care who we lynch in X, Y, Z”

So like hypocrisy =/= scum but I do think you should reconsider that even if you think I haven’t been caring about who gets lynched (again, demonstrably false) you should still be not thinking this is scum indicative for me when you have the same behaviour

In post 7532, Pink Ball wrote:You guys are really stupid. Stop losing your time scumreading each other and realize that scum is lurking for fucks sake.

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