Codenames (Game 54 - in progress)

[Nancy Drew 39]

fork - infinite

[Farren]

just to get this on the current page ...

SPY	WEB	LION	MOUSE	FACE
NAIL	MISSILE	PILOT	UNDERTAKER	HOLE
FIRE	VAN	TABLE	DEATH	KID
MERCURY	NEEDLE	PLASTIC	LOCK	JACK
STREAM	BOND	WITCH	DUCK	PLANE

Blue Clues	Red Clues
4/9	7/8
CHESHIRE - 6	ACRYLIC - 3
CHARIOT - 5	HOLD - 4
RING - INFINITE	PREPARING - 2
FORK - INFINITE

Team	Spy Master	Members
BLUE TEAM	Nancy Drew 39	Cat Scratch Fever, Farren, Not_Mafia
RED TEAM	The Bulge	Charles510, Not Known 15, Datisi

[Farren]

Spoiler: Thoughts on FORK...

Forks are commonly found on TABLEs.
Forks and NEEDLES are both pointy tools designed to stab things, usually made out of metal.
Big stretch: pitchforks and MISSILEs are both weapons.

Nothing else really catches my eye there. FORK could be anywhere from 1-3 hits.

Spoiler: Thoughts on the game as a whole, including Forks...

Cheshire: MOUSE, HOLE, ?, ?, ?, ?
Chariot: VAN, FIRE, ?, ?
Ring: HOLE, FIRE, ... ? ...

Of the three possible FORK hits:
- Missiles and Chariots are both tools of war.
- Does the Cheshire Cat ever sit on a table? Or possibly table could be a reference to the Mad Tea Party, or to the table where the EAT ME / DRINK ME stuff was kept?
- I don't see any reasonable connection between Needle and any of the other clues, other than maybe RING (both metal objects).

Missile is my least favorite as a Fork clue, but the connection to past clues is at least slightly better than the others.

There's also got to be at least two words that connect to both Cheshire and Chariot, and I cannot for the life of me think of any that reasonably connect to both.

Other Cheshire connections: KID (referring to Alice), JACK (referring to the Queen of Hearts), WITCH (both magical creatures).
Other Chariot connections: ... MERCURY? (not a fan of this one given that PLANE was a bust - Mercury the Roman God would have a flying chariot specifically, which makes PLANE a much stronger connection - and PLANE was wrong.) DEATH? (thinking gladiators again, but that brings back LION which was wrong.) JACK? (as a mechanical tool to change a tire on a chariot? feh, but it's at least a possible Cheshire/Chariot combo?)
Other Ring connections: SPY is the only thing I can think of here, and I can't connect SPY to any of the other clues.

TABLE > NEEDLE > KID > JACK > ... grumbling ... >

Cheshire: MOUSE, HOLE, KID, JACK, TABLE, ?
Chariot: FIRE, RING, JACK, VAN, ?

And this can't be right unless NEEDLE connects to both - and I don't see it connecting to either.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I like TABLE, KID

I still like MERCURY. It's possible that nancy saw it had a connection to PLANE but decided to risk it anyway, since PLANE is neutral

[Farren]

Just realizing I goofed up in the last breakdown ... RING was a clue, not a guess.

Cheshire:

MOUSE

,

HOLE

, KID, JACK, TABLE, ?
Chariot:

FIRE

, JACK,

VAN

, MERCURY, ?
Ring: FIRE, NEEDLE, HOLE
Fork: NEEDLE, TABLE

That's all nine words. We'd need one of FIRE / VAN / MERCURY / NEEDLE to connect to Cheshire, and one of MOUSE / HOLE / KID / TABLE / NEEDLE to connect to Chariot. If either connection is missing, at least one of these assumptions is wrong.

[Not_Mafia]

Witch could potentially connect to Cheshire, as a general magic connection and to ring through magic circle, plus I think white witches wear rings.

Tenuous I know but I’m struggling to find enough words to fill the clues

[Farren]

Didn't someone else mention earlier that WITCH could also connect to Chariot, as in the White Witch of The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe? Also tenuous, but there's at least a tiny connection?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

That was me, I'm like 70% sure the witch rode in a chariot, yeah.

[Farren]

(these are not guesses)
Cheshire: MOUSE, HOLE, KID, JACK, TABLE, WITCH
Chariot: FIRE, JACK, VAN, MERCURY, WITCH
Ring: FIRE, HOLE
Fork: TABLE

with NEEDLE being wrong?

Does Nancy give Fork as a 1-clue for TABLE with NEEDLE on the board? I can see that if TABLE is right, it's definitely the one that needed to be re-clued.

[Farren]

Or alternately, does Fork connect to another unguessed word listed above?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

could be duck

Duck is an animal like Cheshire (cat) and you eat it with a fork?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Not sure what id swap it out with tho

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Spoiler:

actually uh maybe we shouldn't do table

[Farren]

Opponents only have one word left. I think it's safe to say that if we guess this wrong, they'll get a super-easy 1-clue to wrap it up. So discussing their clues openly won't do us any harm.

If TABLE's wrong (because it can be prepared), I'd *really* have to question Fork as a clue. NEEDLE's the only other thing I can see that really makes sense, and plenty of other ways to get to NEEDLE without hitting TABLE.

Plus if NEEDLE is right and TABLE is wrong, that means either NEEDLE was clued by neither Cheshire nor Chariot - which means that there now has to be a minimum of three joint Cheshire/Chariot words - or it was clued, in which case what the heck is the connection?

[Not_Mafia]

The fact that it wasn't a 0 clue tells me there's probably something connecting to fork. I can table being right and needle wrong, I think the needle connection is quite tenuous. Plus other stuff that connects to table like knife. chair etc I can make vague links to other unguessed words.

And they do sit at a table for the tea party in Alice in Wonderland. I think 7633 is our best bet

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'm fine with that too if you guys are

[Farren]

So that just leaves order, or if we just want to do it all at once.

[Farren]

It's been well past 48. Time to guess something.

Guess: Table

[CreativeMod1]

It's been well past 48. Time to guess something.

Guess: Table

Blue

[Not_Mafia]

Fire

[Farren]

Fire's already been guessed; it's blue.

Guess: Witch

[Nancy Drew 39]

blue

[Cat Scratch Fever]

What's left, kid jack and mercury? (These aren't guesses btw)

[Farren]

Yup, that sounds right. Still time to waffle and re-think if we want.

[Not_Mafia]

I think at this point we just go for it