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In post 7104, PeregrineV wrote:

In post 7098, CarbonFiber wrote:Thank god, someone that actually makes sense posted. You should have killed AP N2. Anyways, PV, give me a quick update on where your reads are at.

Unless the last 30 pages contain mystical answers to as yet asked questions,

Town-me, you, JustSheep

Not first choice for scum -
Breakfast
FoxHound

Used to think was town before replacement
16 Penguin_Alien16 Clyton
4 Magenta_thegreat (mara and orci) 4 orcinus_theoriginal

Leaving 4 scum by PoE & play

1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8) <--most likely
5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane) <---I know this is unpopular, but I want empirical evidence of townhood, not circumstantial
9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling) <----This may be switchable with the 2 categories above it.
13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience) <-----because I still have a null-read 7000 posts into the game. Experience says that it's probably scum.

So let's update.

Town
Me

Town that's not me
Carbon
JustSheepUs

2nd gen town
AngryPidgeon (through JSU)

3rd gen town
Breakfast (through AP)

Leaving:
FoxHound
Penguin (Clayton was way big townread. Not even sure Penguin is still in the game)
Nacho
Titan
Red Gyarados

Best favorite lynches today (in order):
Nacho
Red Gary
FoxHound-Titan-Penguin

In post 7699, The Fox and the Hound wrote:...This is the dumbest thing ever and I no longer have a method or much inclination to try to respond to it. Enjoy losing, I guess?

By extension, you would also be losing, no?

Yeah, and?

PV, you forgot that magenta exists, not that I blame you

In post 7703, The Fox and the Hound wrote:PV, you forgot that magenta exists, not that I blame you

OK, So let's update the update.

Town
Me

Town that's not me
Carbon
JustSheepUs

2nd gen town
AngryPidgeon (through JSU)

3rd gen town
Breakfast (through AP)

Leaving:
FoxHound
Penguin (Clayton was way big townread. Not even sure Penguin is still in the game)
Nacho
Titan
Red Gyarados
Magenta (Orcinus day1 play gives minimal townpoints)

Best favorite lynches today (in order):
Nacho
Red Gary
FoxHound-Titan-Penguin-Magenta

In post 7704, PeregrineV wrote:

Best favorite lynches today (in order):
Titan-Penguin-Magenta

Not a snowball's chance in Hell, vraxa'nah.

P. S. Vraxa'nah means motherfucker.

So, I wonder if just not caring about this game much anymore means my paranoia is relieved.

I'm back to thinking Stalin is my bet the farm town read.

Not a real big fan of this foxhound lynch but don't have a great alternative. I'm voting nacho but even that's not a lynch I believe in enough to push it.

I have no clue who scum is and still don't think town deserves to win this.

Town would need a miracle for that, and I don't see anyone stepping up.

Also, can we please not call others idiots? Thanks.

In post 7696, magenta_thegreat wrote:Nacho's putting alot of effort in this game, despite the fact that his time is pretty limited and he seems to be pretty motivated this game, from early on despite all kinds of suspicions of various strengths thrown at him, and not at all like the "work" he's put into that NY game. I don't see him playing up his town-meta to anyone specific nor do I see him spending time trying to win anyones favor. I see him spending time trying to break through the current game state regardless to how futile it is and being the calming presence when everyone else could give a fuck, or is pretty overwhelmed as to what to do, or frustrated with the current game-state. I think he's tried to pull me into a conversation with him several times throughout the game because I'm not being very interactive with him, despite having such a weak read on his slot and seemingly not doing anything to make that stronger in any way shape or form. I don't think Scumcho would do that

Nacho fooled the ever living hell out of you in nyempire and you have no paranoia?

I'm fucking well confTown and vraxrai to anyone who thinks otherwise

townread on Nacho bugs me. She pointed out how in NY169, Nacho was playing to specific people which is something I elaborated on in-depth in the dead QT after scumreading him in thread. I think it was mostly me and Pieguyn pushing the angle that Nacho was appealing specifically to certain players.

But here, I am scumreading him pretty hard and she hasn't really engaged any of my points. I even made a case about how he is scum. It just feels weird that in NY169, Mara townread Nacho, I go bit by bit through her reasoning and point out why I disagree and that he is scum. Here I scumread him, and she still townreads him without wondering why I am scumreading him.

On the other hand, Penguin too townread Nacho and brushed aside the read without spending a lot of time trying to refine it which isn't how I would expect Penguin to read Nacho after being fooled by him in Wicked.

, I see you online and I am eagerly awaiting your updated thoughts. My current thoughts are that Nacho/AP/Fox are three of the scum and those I feel decently confident about and I'd love it if you be awesome and work with me and help me lynch Fox today since there is a larger wagon on them. I will help you lynch Nacho tomorrow. Oh, also as for why you are town, I think I elaborated on it before - your read on me felt genuine and you were using similar reasoning to what helped you catch me in AoT in that I as town do tend to defend easier lynches like PV a lot. I also liked your catchup walls which I pointed out when I responded to them. I think that a lynch of the Fox and The Hound is a fantastic way to move forward. A lot of their recent plays, I just can't see coming from town. A quick summary:

1) DV's response to me suspecting him was the most ridiculously scummy thing in this game. He immediately casts doubt onto his townread of me. Then does a massive "re-evaluation" where he goes back through my initial posts, justifies his townread and then goes through more posts to beautifully show how his read has morphed into a scumread. All this happens right after I push him. It is bullshit. It is a presentation that is made to look good and like a thoughtful townie going back to consider every possibility. It feels extremely unnatural and faked. The timing of it doesn't feel genuine either.

2) DV has accused me of not taking a leadership role this game day. This is bullshit because a) I have been trying my best to get their slot lynched and b) My alignment couldn't have changed from D1/D2 where he claims that I was trying to lead the town.

1) DV's response to me suspecting him was the most ridiculously scummy thing in this game. He immediately casts doubt onto his townread of me. Then does a massive "re-evaluation" where he goes back through my initial posts, justifies his townread and then goes through more posts to beautifully show how his read has morphed into a scumread. All this happens right after I push him. It is bullshit. It is a presentation that is made to look good and like a thoughtful townie going back to consider every possibility. It feels extremely unnatural and faked. The timing of it doesn't feel genuine either.

"DV is scum for doing exactly what he would do if he wasn't scum!!!"

Hey Tammy you should stop giving up and help me out here

Magenta, Nacho (despite what DV thinks honestly) and CF are all scum, I will lynch any of them, someone please just lead me in one of those directions

-Ceph

That's not what I said. I said DV's effort to look town felt unnatural and contrived.

Also, I am scumreading Magenta and Nacho as well. Magenta's vote on you feels like a bus vote to make your wagon look bad but I'll take whatever.

In post 7652, CarbonFiber wrote:Oh, and also Muffin's flow bussing theory about Cephrir and AP re-inforces my belief in Fox/AP team besides all of their rubbish about how I am AP's buddy.

I remember this existence of this theory. I don't hold any weight in meta arguments because I don't research other players' metas to create town/scum models of them.

In post 7653, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:UNVOTE:

Can I interest anyone in

VOTE: CarbonFiber

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???

??????

I don't like how eager he's been to get a lynch on 3 different players in rapid succession and you shouldn't either.

Which 3 people?

In post 7659, AngryPidgeon wrote:Well I backtracked away from it because I dont particularly feel like mislynching myself. JSU backed away from it because they either have an innocent result on me or are committed to faking one regardless.

Why would you even consider that this was the argument I was making? I was referring to the whole 1v1 scenario from the previous day where Katsuki CC'ed your night action, indicated zero acknowledgement of being roleblocked (and I'm pretty sure he stated that he KNEW his action succeeded), and JSU proceeding to defend you with his 'investigative action that can only track town.'

I don't know how you guys moved the idea of a wagon away from you (because despite me saying I wanted to read up but I've been continuing to neglect this game so I can stay on top of the games I caught up in elsewhere), but if it's just 'OMG I DON'T KNOW WHY KATS WOULD DO THAT AND LIE' after rushing that lynch through in your little 1v1 CC spat, then you should be getting lynched. The only reason you should even be considered town right now is if people believe in a role that interferes with Kats' role that doesn't directly cause it to fail (something like a bus driver).

If you're not town (I don't think you're town) or a godfather with a night action, then JSU should be getting lynched as well.

In post 7663, AngryPidgeon wrote:RG claimed to be roleblocked. Stalin claimed to be roleblocked (and is pretty confirmed town + has a role that can be sort of verified blocked.) I get an innocent result on Stalin. JSU has CONFIRMED MY ACTION and CONFIRMED MY CLAIM. Your belief that JSU is town and I somehow am not is so mindblowingly bad I cant believe it. I had to either believe that there are (3?) Mafia Roleblockers in the game and blocked all of Stalin, RG, and Katsuki for Katsuki to somehow be telling the truth in this situation...or Katsuki was just making shit up. I KNOW my role succeeded. Katsuki was lying. You can go ahead and rectify that in your headspace somehow, but you are explicitly ignoring that I can, would, and DID do exactly what I did as town. If you think JSU is town then Katsuki is STILL confirmed roleblocked as is Stalin. So this sort of takes me back around to RG who are also claiming to have been blocked on N2. Right. Thats not suspicious at all.

Like seriously, for you to continue this argument of me 'lying about being roleblocked' despite your 'confirmed town-beliffery read' indicating that they were inclined to believe I was roleblocked because they received a similar message about their 'role failing' despite me explicitly claiming that first requires ridiculousness of a whole new level.

And Beli considering I'm scum for this is weird (I actually don't know if he's been considering me, and I interpreted PV's post as his for some reason) and he's either really detached towards this game and doesn't give a fuck to realize what the fuck is happening with this argument, or he's scum with you/JSU with your 'let's confirm each other as town' circlejerk and their slot was just following along with me being roleblocked earlier.

In post 7666, The Fox and the Hound wrote:We have not claimed. Claiming makes our role a lot worse.

I don't mind you claiming. But I did target you last night (and I'm not going to say what happened).

In post 7680, AngryPidgeon wrote:Did RG claim that their role fails on certain flavor? I vaguely recall some spec about that, but I cant remember. How likely is it that Katsuki was redirected to them that Day?

My role doesn't fail on certain flavor that I'm aware of. I do remember saying something along these lines. And I'm fairly certain Katsuki's roleblock didn't redirect to me.

In post 7681, AngryPidgeon wrote:I've been doing a silly side project (fun quiz/survey to come?) trying to map personality types to mastin's 5 'town roles' she posted in MD a while back. I have you down as a probable analyzer. Maybe you are more of a planner? You seem to direct for that. You need to be ESTJ for me to feel happy about the state of my project, sorry

I believe I fall under E - extremely problematic.

In post 7689, CarbonFiber wrote:Brian, trust me, if you get even two other people to vote AP, I'll join you on that wagon. But right now, we need to consider viable alternatives.

Town's being retarded. My other alternatives are Nacho and JSU (confbiased and I haven't read anything I promised I was going to read; and from what I've read, nothing's telling me it would be worthwhile to look at when AP is right there, being scum, right along with JSU and possibly Nacho).

I really need a ;tldr. Preferably on why people refuse to lynch AP and how this wagon ended up on the Fox. I'd also appreciate any knowledge explaining why some people are okay with lynching Nacho.

I also feel adamantly opposed to a Fox lynch right now just because AP/JSU want it to go through.

In post 7707, Titan wrote:So, I wonder if just not caring about this game much anymore means my paranoia is relieved.

I feel like this is a completely fair argument for you to make. And I do feel bad for the townies that have bothered to make a conscious effort at winning this game. Especially since my contributions thus far have been terrible.

But if AP's scum and he gets away for some shit argument this game, then town never deserved to win anyways.

In post 7711, CarbonFiber wrote:1) DV's response to me suspecting him was the most ridiculously scummy thing in this game. He immediately casts doubt onto his townread of me. Then does a massive "re-evaluation" where he goes back through my initial posts, justifies his townread and then goes through more posts to beautifully show how his read has morphed into a scumread. All this happens right after I push him. It is bullshit. It is a presentation that is made to look good and like a thoughtful townie going back to consider every possibility. It feels extremely unnatural and faked. The timing of it doesn't feel genuine either.

2) DV has accused me of not taking a leadership role this game day. This is bullshit because a) I have been trying my best to get their slot lynched and b) My alignment couldn't have changed from D1/D2 where he claims that I was trying to lead the town.

I can neither confrim or deny any of this, don't know if it's indicative of scum, but think you're town anyways. I might still end up voting that slot, though (I just find it extremely unfair to them that I've been ignoring their slot's posting for most of this game).

In post 7712, The Fox and the Hound wrote:Magenta, Nacho (despite what DV thinks honestly) and CF are all scum, I will lynch any of them, someone please just lead me in one of those directions

Why are JSU/AP not mentioned as possible scumreads?

Like, anyone that doesn't think they could be scum (and scum together) really should be stating why in thread.

*There also might be a random 'f' in this post. I have no idea where it is.

In post 7714, Red Gyarados wrote:Town's being retarded.

I apologize for this statement. I don't mean to insult anybody's intelligence. I just don't understand why AP is still alive, acknowledge that there are reasons for you to believe AP could be town, but that I haven't seen any good reasoning for why you would think this way.

I also have 3 days left, so I might read all those pages after all (unlikely, but I even surprise myself and might end up doing it).

I can't be bothered arguing anymore.

I ask with everything I have for us to lynch CF. If it gets closer to deadline and a CF lynch is obviously not happening then I'll settle for some other not-us lynch (Ceph can choose if this ends up being the case as I've probably embarrassed him enough with my antics), but I can dream.

In post 7710, Belisarius wrote:I'm fucking well confTown and vraxrai to anyone who thinks otherwise

hi who are you and why aren't you in the playerlist

oh we still haven't lynched a scum

fwiw i think cf and hf are both superb lynches!

In post 7714, Red Gyarados wrote:I also feel adamantly opposed to a Fox lynch right now just because AP/JSU want it to go through.

Actually AP doesn't. Check out his chainsaw in 7663.

In post 7714, Red Gyarados wrote:I might still end up voting that slot, though (I just find it extremely unfair to them that I've been ignoring their slot's posting for most of this game).

Then do it. It'll feel awesome when we force through a scum lynch. Then I'll help you lynch Nacho. By then, people will wake up and see AP as scum so we'll lynch him too. Then we'll find the final scum.

In post 7717, The Fox and the Hound wrote:I can't be bothered arguing anymore.

I ask with everything I have for us to lynch CF. If it gets closer to deadline and a CF lynch is obviously not happening then I'll settle for some other not-us lynch (Ceph can choose if this ends up being the case as I've probably embarrassed him enough with my antics), but I can dream.

More bullshit from Fox. It looks as though plenty of people want to lynch me and DV paints it like a scumread he is sure about but no one is listening to poor DV! (After several people expressed wanting to lynch me). It feels like fake fatalism, fake self-victimization, and fake sincerity.

, quit lurking, I see you online.

Why am I a superb lynch Tammy? And who is HF?