Vino wrote:hasdgfas wrote:I'm also not sure how wanting a nameclaim is rolefishing(since it's so blatant) and why that's voteworthy
Name claiming was fine. If you remember, I supported it. He pushed for full claims on three people to support a weak conspiracy theory. I wasn't in danger of being lynched and he forced a claim anyway. I suppose role fishing is a weak term for what he did.
Also if you think "withholding info from the town" is bad then why don't you go ahead and claim now? Oh -- because withholding information from the town isn't always a bad thing, that's why.
The way I see it Tar did a lot of damage to the town, and specifically to my potential to help town with my role. I don't think he should be let off the hook for it. I also don't think he should be allowed to direct town's actions anymore like he's been doing.
Wait, so your case for me being scum was because my theories yesterday turned out to be wrong? Being wrong =/= being scum.
Okay, so that's not explicitly your case against me, but that's what it boils down to. I pushed for massclaim because I judged that the threat of outing power roles was OUTWEIGHED by the possibility of breaking the setup (since 2x Cop and a Vig were dead and a protective role outed and all remaining power roles would be midlevel roles at best and some power roles - i.e, unconfirmed Masons - could give us a better idea of where to hunt scum); I made that quite clear yesterday. (Hell, massclaim is still a good idea, especially since Delathi flipped power.)
(Also, at risk of WIFOM, pushing massclaim and similar tends to come from vanilla Tar. Scum-Tar tends not to publicize his conclusions about the setup in all but the most extreme situations.)
Moreover, be clearer: Do you think I am scum, or not? If yes, do you have any reasoning other than "he was rolefishing"?
I won't ask you to claim last night's target until massclaim ends (possibly not at all if I'm dead first).
Thoughts from more thorough read:
- SerialClergyman is almost certainly not a member of the Discontinued faction, given how much he fought with Korlash yesterday.
- Korlash chainsawed like crazy yesterday (defending Percy by attacking SC); by way of contrast, on Day 1 Korlash spent much less of his time trying to rebut his suspect's case (on me). Buddy tell for Percy, albeit a weak one (Chainsaw's only really reliable when the player being defended flips scum, and WIFOM is involved even then).
- Korlash mentioned Percy more than just about any other player who wasn't either attacking Korlash or being attacked by Korlash. Pretty good buddying tell for Percy.
- My intuition found both Percy and Korlash town yesterday unless they were multiscum in the same faction. Korlash flipped scum, and I generally trust my intuition.
- Most important posts in the game, courtesy of Korlash:
Korlash wrote:Lets see... the spock count is up to what, four? Five?
TSS wrote:I'm going to vote: roflcopter because I suspect the vino wagon is designed to set Fishy up for a 1-2 mislynch.
Yeah a random bandwagon is designed for something. So exactly explain to me how this works? A town starts a wagon on another town and then a bunch of other town join it and somehow it's a setup for something? And I'm assuming you are calling both Fishy and Vino town here, because, logically, only town start bandwagons in the RVS and only on other towns.
Korlash wrote:Percy wrote:Your original post seems to suggest that you thought the others joining in were town as well, at that time. You mentioned this to disprove the theory that the scum were jumping on to hasten a bad wagon started by another townie - you basically said that the scum didn't jump on.
I can understand your confusion but you misunderstand me. I was trying to disprove it was a setup by the scum, I was not trying to say scum didn't jump on. Remember I had my wagons confused and thought the vino wagon was up to 8, thusly "a bunch of town" had to already be on it. As I was confused about the wagon my wording was justly misleading.
i can continue explaining it if necessary but like I said, I was mistaken about the wagon which seems like a point both you and TSS are missing.
Take a good look, people.
Korlash was probably telling the truth about getting the Vino and Lamont wagons mixed up (his original comment doesn't make much sense otherwise, especially since he was himself scum and voting Vino). Moreover, his certainty that the large early wagon (Lamont's) was town-driven looks like a slip, especially since he clearly already wasn't paying too much attention to the wagons (I'm decidedly reminded of how Kmdscum claimed in Medieval that an early zwetschenwasser wagon was strongly scum-driven; all four scum, including Kmd himself, had been on the wagon).
Now, take a look at the Lamont wagon at the time:
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Lamont_Cranston (8): Tarhalindur, Flameaxe, Percy, SerialClergyman, Slicey, SensFan, Mufasa, Empking
Vino (4): Fishythefish, Korlash, roflcopter, populartajo
Empking (2): Hasdgfas, Lamont_Cranston
roflcopter (2): Vino, The Silent Speaker
Hasdgfas (1): Qwints
Flameaxe (1): Timeater
Korlash (1): Delathi
SerialClergyman (1): ZazieR
Timeater (1): Tzeentch
SensFan (1): Head_Honcho
Note Voting (3): Santos, Sironigous, xRECKONERx
With 25 alive, it's 13 to lynch.
Lamont flipped town (so the "bandwagon on another town" is correct); in addition, Flameaxe (Kise) and Mufasa have both flipped town, and Serial Clergyman is all-but-cleared of being Discontinued scum (so Korlash probably assumed SC was town).
Now, if we accept this interpretation... Korlash claims that the bandwagon was a "bandwagon started by town on another town". I started that bandwagon, so... by this logic I am unlikely to be Discontinued scum.
Players I am taking a closer look at:
- Percy (trying to tell if interactions with Korlash are result of being scumbuddies or of Korlash buddying to town).
- hasdgfas (intuition says he's Discontinued; was extremely noncomittal during D2 at any rate)
SensFan still needs to respond to the case against him.
