Go Play in Traffic! (Game over!)

[StrangerCoug]

Unlocked now

[Andrius]

Thanks Coug.

SC, for how long is Twomz's V/LA?

[CryMeARiver]

Ayyyyye both PR's are alive? Works for me, guilty on Twomz

[Andrius]

Never mind, Coug.

I won't be on much at all from late on the fourth until June 10th. By the 13th or 14th I should be moved in all the way with internet and a computer hooked up.

So its just CMAR, Jacob and I.

[Andrius]

Really, CMAR?
Guilty on Twomz?
Let's vote him then.
I can play follow the Cop.
You first.

[CryMeARiver]

Really, CMAR?
Guilty on Twomz?
Let's vote him then.
I can play follow the Cop.
You first.

I want to entertain the idea of a Jacob SK first - you said you had a case ready?

[Andrius]

Well, if Jacob is SK, the town cannot win.
But you know that already...
RIGHT SCUM_CMAR?!?

*dun dun dun DUN*
I do have a case ready. Let me go grab it.

[Andrius]

First let's hit up Jacob, and the possibility of him being a SK.

JacobSavage

1) Jacob is Scum.

Jacob cannot be scum. A scum faction with a seperate kill is completely absurd.

2) Jacob is Town.

Obv_Best-Case Scenario. We have a Town Vig.

3) Jacob is a Serial Killer.

If Jacob is a Serial Killer, we've lost the game already. Why? Because the fourth scum and Jacob prevent the town from winning. Even if we kill the 4th mafioso/SK today, the surviving anti-town player gets an auto-win. If there is a scum and a SK right now, D5 is just a fight between the scum and the SK, with both sides attempting to use the (doomed) town.

I think Jacob is town. If he's the SK we're

fucked

so I'm willing to play like he's town.

Twomz

1) Twomz is town.

I think he's a VT. Moving along.

Moving along to the best parts:

Since it applies, Chronopie was lying. He didn't have "scumbuddies". If he did they would have won the game already, with 2 scum v. 2 town D5, aka, scum win.

There is only one scum left.

And Chronopie certainly wouldn't have hammered himself if he were the last member of his scumteam.

Case 1: There is only one scum left.

Premise 1: If there were more than one scum, as Chronopie suggested, they would have won already.
Premise 2: Chronopie would not have hammered himself if he were the last member of his scumgroup.

Conclusion: There is only one scum left.

Case 2: If there is a SK, the town is doomed.

Premise 1: There is one scum left. (See Case 1.)
Premise 2: If we lynch scum, SK wins by NKing a townie. If we lynch SK, scum wins by NKing a townie. If we lynch a townie the town is sure to lose to scum/SK without the existance of a SK/fourth scum.

Conclusion: If there is a SK, the town is doomed. Therefore, let's disregard any points made that JacobSavage could be Serial Killer, and lynch the scum.

CryMeARiver

CryMeARiver is scum.

Why? Simple.

Fate bussed and got Starbuck killed D1. Yeah, they bussed their Roleblocker. That's WIFOM. Ani claimed Miller. This scumteam made many gambles this round, so why would the scum be afraid of claiming Cop- especially if StrangerCoug gave it to them as a fakeclaim?

Fate led a wagon against Pittbunny D2, and got him lynched. Pittbunny was town. No Cop would do that on purpose. Why lead one of his pointless wagons against a townie?

And does everyone remember when Fate got replaced instead of modkilled? StrangerCoug wouldn't modkill one of the two remaining scum.

CMAR comes in and bussed Chronopie. He claimed Chronopie investigated as scum. Problem is, CMAR didn't investigate him, he just knew Chronopie was scum. More good scumbuddy-bussing. CMAR didn't even consider the possibility of Miller_Chronopie. CMAR claimed Innocent_kunkstar7 D4. But he did bring up the possible existance of a Godfather. Why worry about a Godfather and not a Miller/Framer?

Now, with Fate bus-killing Starbuck and CMAR bus-killing Chronopie, who would think they were scum? Not many. Toogeloo did. He was NK'd N3.

CMAR claims Cop and everyone falls for him. To be honest, I didn't believe him 100%, but I needed probable-scum_Lowell dead before lylo, so his lynch went through.

CMAR also claimed he investigated Innocent_FakeGod. Really? You target the person who dies? Obv_scum move. If I were Vig I would've killed FakeGod/Lowell. I was surprised with the FakeGod kill, but not upset. It was a good move.

CMAR, I WILL NOT LOSE TO YOU.

[Andrius]

Oh, how could I forget? lol

Vote: CMAR

Even if Jacob is SK, we can't lynch CMAR without Twomz, so I'm comfortable doing this.

[Andrius]

Ayyyyye both PR's are alive? Works for me, guilty on Twomz

And do I need to point out how scummy this is?

[CryMeARiver]

BAHAHAHAHHAHA this is funny
For real? Andrius, Kunkstar was scummy...sigh, I'll explain it all...Everything here is kinda ridiculous though

1) Twomz is town. I think he's a VT. Moving along.

Explain.

Fate bussed and got Starbuck killed D1. Yeah, they bussed their Roleblocker. That's WIFOM. Ani claimed Miller. This scumteam made many gambles this round, so why would the scum be afraid of claiming Cop- especially if StrangerCoug gave it to them as a fakeclaim?

CMAR comes in and bussed Chronopie. He claimed Chronopie investigated as scum. Problem is, CMAR didn't investigate him, he just knew Chronopie was scum. More good scumbuddy-bussing.

Sweet, so now I bussed two of my scumbuddies

No, no, no - didn't happen, but it's impossible to defend myself against this. I can't explain Fate, but Chrono was scummy hence my vote on him. That was an epic replace in bus if I did it. Might I remind you, I hadn't even read the thread at that point and, assuming I'm scum, chrono would have been my only buddy. Why upon replacing into the game and not having read the thread would I heavily bus my own partner with 9 other players still left? This is ridiculous.

Fate led a wagon against Pittbunny D2, and got him lynched. Pittbunny was town. No Cop would do that on purpose. Why lead one of his pointless wagons against a townie?

Haha, because he led a wagon on someone he thought was scum, that makes him more scummy? The late bandwagoners would be the scummy ones. You have your scumreads backwards my friend.

And does everyone remember when Fate got replaced instead of modkilled? StrangerCoug wouldn't modkill one of the two remaining scum.

Did you see what he was even mod-replaced for?! It was ridiculous and the maximum penalty should have been mod forced replacement. He made a joke, it cost him. Next.
Oh, and even if I was playing your game, it works both ways, mod would not want to modkill one of the two power roles in the game.

CMAR didn't even consider the possibility of Miller_Chronopie. CMAR claimed Innocent_kunkstar7 D4. But he did bring up the possible existance of a Godfather. Why worry about a Godfather and not a Miller/Framer?

No, no I didn't. It is ridiculous, and miller ALWAYS claims D1, period. End of story. And they do it, for this exact reason. If there is a miller, there is DEFINITELY a cop, and the cop should not have to waste an investigation. Simple.
Kunk on the other hand was actually scum IMO. Therefore, of course I would entertain the idea of him being scum GF.

Now, with Fate bus-killing Starbuck and CMAR bus-killing Chronopie, who would think they were scum? Not many. Toogeloo did. He was NK'd N3.

Yes no one should think I was scum either since I'm not. Moot point. Toogeloo was the most pro town player in the game at the time. Period. End of story.

CMAR claims Cop and everyone falls for him. To be honest, I didn't believe him 100%, but I needed probable-scum_Lowell dead before lylo, so his lynch went through.

The fact that everyone fell for a town cop with multiple breadcrumbs and with only one other power role in the whole game makes

ME

scummy? No, that makes the town smart. I'm assuming you're trying to make the point that the mod gave me a fake cop claim, which is also ridiculous, because you are saying a mod would give scum a power role claim in a game with one power role. No, it's not a bastard mod game. The mod would definitely just give either only vanilla claims or no fake claims (and from what ani pulled, I'd imagine no fake claims).

CMAR also claimed he investigated Innocent_FakeGod. Really? You target the person who dies? Obv_scum move. If I were Vig I would've killed FakeGod/Lowell.

I was surprised with the FakeGod kill

, but not upset. It was a good move.

Hey look, you made my point in the exact same phrase you tried to make me out to be scum. I'm almost positive EVERYONE was expecting a Lowell vig kill. Therefore if Lowell had died like everyone though, and I got an innocent on FakeGod, things would have been a LOT easier.

[Andrius]

Damn. I lost my post.
I'll redo it later after I cool down. >:|

[JacobSavage]

I am here, post more later

[CryMeARiver]

Fuck, reaction tests don't work with Twomz on V/LA
Innocent on Rice - I TOLD YOU NOT TO FUCKING KILL HIM!!!!!!! HENCE, I AM INVESTIGATING HIM

Jacob, I would rather you shoot Twomz than Rice truly

BAHAHAHAHHAHA this is funny

F

or real?

A

ndrius,

K

unkstar was scummy...sigh, I'll explain it all...

E

verything here is kinda ridiculous though

Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, if people could just listen, just for once

[JacobSavage]

Meh, you need to learn that if you say don't shoot someone, they will shot them.

But Damn, I had an amazing plan if that was real

[Andrius]

I want to entertain the idea of a Jacob SK first - you said you had a case ready?

Even if he is a SK we're fucked.

Case 2: If there is a SK, the town is doomed.

Premise 1: There is one scum left. (See Case 1.)
Premise 2: If we lynch scum, SK wins by NKing a townie. If we lynch SK, scum wins by NKing a townie. If we lynch a townie the town is sure to lose to scum/SK without the existance of a SK/fourth scum.

Conclusion: If there is a SK, the town is doomed. Therefore, let's disregard any points made that JacobSavage could be Serial Killer, and lynch the scum.

Moving on.

So Jacob are you going to post the "more" now or later on?

Fuck, reaction tests don't work with Twomz on V/LA

Maybe you should have waited. Your reaction test is BS. Twomz announced his departure long ago.

Innocent on Rice - I TOLD YOU NOT TO FUCKING KILL HIM!!!!!!! HENCE, I AM INVESTIGATING HIM

You got this N4?

Anyone want to explain why us three are all still alive?

[Andrius]

Explain.

Gut.
Also, how could he submit a NK if he's V/LA?

Sweet, so now I bussed two of my scumbuddies

You bussed one. Fate bussed the other. It was all part of a plan too, probably.

No, no, no - didn't happen, but it's impossible to defend myself against this. I can't explain Fate, but Chrono was scummy hence my vote on him. That was an epic replace in bus if I did it. Might I remind you, I hadn't even read the thread at that point and, assuming I'm scum, chrono would have been my only buddy. Why upon replacing into the game and not having read the thread would I heavily bus my own partner with 9 other players still left? This is ridiculous.

Epic is my middle name. I won Greek Mythos. I believe in Epic.
You'd bus your own buddy if you'd look bad for not doing so.

Haha, because he led a wagon on someone he thought was scum, that makes him more scummy? The late bandwagoners would be the scummy ones. You have your scumreads backwards my friend.

He/you are the "Cop". you don't lynch random people when you're cop.

Did you see what he was even mod-replaced for?! It was ridiculous and the maximum penalty should have been mod forced replacement. He made a joke, it cost him. Next.
Oh, and even if I was playing your game, it works both ways, mod would not want to modkill one of the two power roles in the game.

He was mod-forced to replace. Hello? Did you not read the thread?

No, no I didn't. It is ridiculous, and miller ALWAYS claims D1, period. End of story. And they do it, for this exact reason. If there is a miller, there is DEFINITELY a cop, and the cop should not have to waste an investigation. Simple.
Kunk on the other hand was actually scum IMO. Therefore, of course I would entertain the idea of him being scum GF.

Unless the Miller claim was FAKE. If the Miller claim was FAKE then it doesn't prove a Cop exists.
Kunk was not scum. If you actually READ the thread you'd see he flipped town.

Yes no one should think I was scum either since I'm not.

Moot point. Toogeloo was the most pro town player in the game at the time. Period. End of story.

EVERYONE REPEAT THE BOLDED LINE IN EVERY GAME YOU PLAY IN.
Doesn't that solve everything? No. It solves nothing.

The fact that everyone

fell for

a town cop with multiple breadcrumbs and with only one other power role in the whole game makes ME scummy? No, that makes the town smart. I'm assuming you're trying to make the point that the mod gave me a fake cop claim, which is also ridiculous, because you are saying a mod would give scum a power role claim in a game with one power role. No, it's not a bastard mod game. The mod would definitely just give either only vanilla claims or no fake claims (and from what ani pulled, I'd imagine no fake claims).

Interesting word choice.
How do you know there's only one PR? We don't know that for sure. Hell, someone could have been lying.

Therefore if Lowell had died like everyone though, and I got an innocent on FakeGod, things would have been a LOT easier.

DUH.

[Twomz]

FoS: CMAR

Even if that was a gamble, it would be a horrible idea as town... but a good idea as scum. I'm going to stick to my initial thought that all the town roles are VT and that we have a SK and a mafia left (one of whom is fake claiming cop and the other is fake claiming vig).

If we have 2 scum left, we'll have to no lynch and hope that the two groups cross kill each other. If jacobsavage is a vig instead of a sk, the town wins. If JS is a sk, the town wins. Otherwise lynching CMAR only results in a town win if JS isn't a sk.

I'm not going to throw a vote down until we discuss this some more.

[Andrius]

Twomz is back.

Unvote

, so I can't be ganged.

[Andrius]

HEY GUYS. WE HAVE SCUM TO HUNT.
CMAR SHOULD GET IN HERE.
JACOB SHOULD POST HIS "MORE" NOW.

**prodding CMAR and Jacob**

[Twomz]

Especially since I'm moving into a new apartment later today and I don't know when my internet will be set up .

Do you like Plan B Andrius? Or would you rather stick to lynching the mafiaso (CMAR) and hoping JS is vig instead of sk (either he's the most protown sk ever or he's a vig... I really can't tell very well at this point)?

[JacobSavage]

WHAAA!

Twomz, your case makes little sense, or is that just me. I am working on a diagram, but thats not helping much

[CryMeARiver]

Meh, you need to learn that if you say don't shoot someone, they will shot them.

I'm pretty sure YOU need to learn that if a cop (who NO ONE suspected at the time) says don't shoot someone, DON'T SHOOT them. Do you realize we could have had the game won right now? Sigh

I want to entertain the idea of a Jacob SK first - you said you had a case ready?

Even if he is a SK we're fucked.

Yeah, this was the point where I was trying to stall my fake reaction test (hence why I didn't vote).

Case 2: If there is a SK, the town is doomed.

Premise 1: There is one scum left. (See Case 1.)
Premise 2: If we lynch scum, SK wins by NKing a townie. If we lynch SK, scum wins by NKing a townie. If we lynch a townie the town is sure to lose to scum/SK without the existance of a SK/fourth scum.

Conclusion: If there is a SK, the town is doomed. Therefore, let's disregard any points made that JacobSavage could be Serial Killer, and lynch the scum.

Moving on.

So Jacob are you going to post the "more" now or later on?

Fuck, reaction tests don't work with Twomz on V/LA

Maybe you should have waited. Your reaction test is BS. Twomz announced his departure long ago.

My reaction test might have worked had he not been VLA - Obviously I didn't notice his VLA.

Innocent on Rice - I TOLD YOU NOT TO FUCKING KILL HIM!!!!!!! HENCE, I AM INVESTIGATING HIM

You got this N4?

Well, actually, at first I didn't get any result, so I PM'd the mod making sure scum didn't have ANOTHER roleblocker, and he said he just didn't send the result because Rice was dead, and he is obviously innocent.

Anyone want to explain why us three are all still alive? Either Jacob is scum with a double kill (HIGHLY doubtful), you are scum, or Twomz is scum.

@Andrius: You didn't have any more case on, correct? Just makin sure.

He/you are the "Cop". you don't lynch random people when you're cop.

It wasn't random. He thought Pitt was scummy. Where did anyone say it was random? He lead on someone that wasn't his innocent and that played semi-scummy, and people seemed to agree. The fact that he lead and didn't bandwagon makes him LESS scummy.

He was mod-forced to replace. Hello? Did you not read the thread?

This is just a fucking retarded statement and you are pissing me off. DID YOU NOT EVEN READ MY RESPONSE?!?!? OF COURSE I FUCKING KNOW HE WAS MOD REPLACED! Your point that you made was "The mod didn't want to modkill him because he would be killing one of the last 2 scum and that would provide for a broken endgame. So he just forced replaced him." My response was "The entire thing was a joke, no where NEAR modkill worthy and hardly in my opinion mod replacement worthy. Oh, and even if I was playing your game, it works both ways, mod would not want to modkill one of the two power roles in the game. It would make a broken endgame to modkill the cop, so he mod replaced him." YOU ARE THE ONE NOT FUCKING READING MY RESPONSES.

Kunk was not scum. If you actually READ the thread you'd see he flipped town.

IF YOU FUCKING READ THE THREAD, YOU WOULD FUCKING ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IN THIS STATEMENT:

Kunk on the other hand was actually

scum

IMO. Therefore, of course I would entertain the idea of him being scum GF.

I CLEARLY MEANT TO SAY "SCUMMY" NOT "SCUM" YOU PICKY SCUMASS.

How do you know there's only one PR? We don't know that for sure. Hell, someone could have been lying.

MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, BECAUSE WE MASS CLAIMED AND IF YOU WERE READING THE FUCKING THREAD, YOU WOULD SEE THERE WAS ONLY 1 PR BESIDES ME.

Even if that was a gamble, it would be a horrible idea as town... but a good idea as scum.

Wow, you seriously don't know how to play the game. I NEVER voted you, therefore why would it be a bad idea? The point was to see your reaction, whether it would be defeatist scum or innocent town pushing on me. This is a VERY good idea as town and a BAD idea as scum. How is it a good idea for scum to say "Oh I have a guilty; I'm not voting it; Oh, I was just reaction testing, I really have an inno on the dead?" Therefore your point makes NO sense.

[Andrius]

Do you like Plan B Andrius? Or would you rather stick to lynching the mafiaso (CMAR) and hoping JS is vig instead of sk (either he's the most protown sk ever or he's a vig... I really can't tell very well at this point)?

Plan B is what again?

I am working on a diagram, but thats not helping much

Of what?

I'm considering what happens if we vote for a No Lynch today...

[Twomz]

Plan B is no lynch and let the scum kill each other off for us.