Ok, so Umbrage has posted this about his role:
Umbrage wrote:I am confirmed town, because
town cannot kill me
without vig mumbo-jumbo.
Umbrage wrote:what's the worst that could happen? You lynch me?
Scum kill me? Uh-uh. I'm going to attract Docs and JKs like crazy. And even if I don't, scum won't chance the WIFOM.
Face it, I'm going to be around for a long long time and there's nothing you can do about it.
I think the less I claim about my role the better.
I've got nothing to gain.
Think about it, guys. If I'm Survivor,
I want to get rid of the mafia because they're the only ones that can kill me.
If I'm SK, ditto. You can trust me, you have to trust me.
This really, really does not read like posts made by a player with town teammates. "I've got nothing to gain" and "they're the only ones that can kill me" are blatant third-party statements, or less likely, a scumbag with mild lynch protection bluffing.
There is absolutely no harm in running Umbrage up to the full number of votes. (Besides it taking a day or two of game time.) If he is telling the truth about being an unlynchable townie, it will do nothing. If he's an L+X scum/SK/Survivor, he dies. If he's an SK/Survivor with some lynch protection and some NK protection, we learn that one day of running him up causes no problems, and we should do the same thing tomorrow--run him up to the full number of votes right away. I doubt any 3rd party role or scum would be given two full lynch protections--that would be viciously overpowered in endgame.
Let's run the guy up to full votes today and tomorrow, and otherwise let scum/vig/SK take care of him.
DGB isn't confirmed town by the egg thing unless the setup is shittily balanced. Envision a setup where all townies are either roled (doublevoter etc) or goofy-roled (omelet-passer) and scum are just scum with scum-useful roles like roleblocker. It'd be way too easy to sniff out the bad guys in that setup. "Dave Counter? Yeah, he's town. Egg passer? Yeah she's town. Roleblocker? Let's axe him." We're aware of two goofy roles (one or more could be useful, I suppose, but they look just plain goofy.) You've gotta figure some scum will have goofy roles, so don't jump to the conclusion that role=town.
VP Baltar
doesn't sound quite the same as he did when he was town with me in another game. IGMEOY.
scooby
got run up to L-1 and picked Lucronis out as the scum on his wagon, called him scum later, and then didn't include Lucronis in his top six scum suspects to start D2. Does not compute. @scooby, 6 of your initial list of 7 suspects were people voting you, and the 7th was pops, who was town. That's not really scumhunting, that's OMGUS.
Porochaz
sounds more like he did in my town game with him than when we caught him as scum.
Same with
Amrun
. She's on her toes, rather than on her heels like she was in her scumgame. She might be a super-prodigy capable of improving correcting her mistakes that quickly, but I'll go with the more likely thought that she's town.
Gurgi
's main contribution seems to be "DGB and EK look like they might be scum together" which IS had already abandoned by the time Gurgi posted to proxy-suck-up to IS. 1) No way Gurgi and IS are scum together, 2) Gurgi looks lazybad, even lazier than he was in the game we were in together when he was the final scum.
I don't know how to read
Tripod
. I have no idea what a town Tripod would look like, and scum Tripod looked just like this for the brief time it was around. Not looking forward to reading town-Tripod-games, but considering I missed two weeks of the game, I suppose I can suck it up and quit being a pussy.
@EK
, who is a scumbag that you have identified as a scumbag for reasons unrelated to their interactions with you? I understand your IS focus and your Umbrage focus--they fucked with you in ways you found sketchy. Give me a few more, please, but preferably for reasons other than "they fucked with EK and lost".
Lucronis
reads farside as town way too fast, and strikes out with an early inconsistency:
Lucronis wrote:I think umbrage has a
good read on scooby
and am tempted to vote.
...
Not a fan of Lord G's jumping on the scooby "wagon"
either, seems to me like an attempt to get attention on someone other than himself.
and this gave me the heebie-jeebies for total lack of sincerity:
Lucronis wrote:My vote is staying on gurgi as i feel IS's case is wrong not necessarily scummy.
Lucronis wrote:Still prefer gurgi but we can get his partner first
I do have to say, suspecting Gurgi is not a bad thing, but the circuitous route Lucronis has taken, plus a few of these niggling inconsistencies, don't sit well with me.
@Spyrex
, please make an explicit case on DGB. Thus far, I'm not buying what you're selling.
DGB
and scooby both pointed out the Umbrage-Kison link in order to drive home the idea that Umbrage was a likely Kison nightkiller. DGB defended scooby, and scooby found DGB scummy until the egg business, at which point he was "willing to give her a pass". Unusual convergences noted--could be coincidence, but pinged the radar.
@DGB
, what exactly moved scooby from your scum category into your certain town category?
@vollkan
, is IS really your #1 suspect? If so, please make a more explicit, thorough case. If not, who's your top suspect and why?
Going to finish this tomorrow, hopefully. Girlfriend deserves a few minutes of my Sunday night!
vote: Umbrage