Mini 1262 - Game Over (Over!)

[Nachomamma8]

As I said, I have a lot of reading to do. I ISOed sleepykrew and liked him as a Trianglebuddy.
Uphill's next on account of you voting for him.

No reason to switch votes in the middle of a reread. Why do you like SK as a trianglebuddy? Why are you thinking that he's scummier than Pine?

[Force of Nature]

Uphill might be scum. I'll read more later.
Sleepy counterwagoned pretty hard for triangle without really showing a lot of evidence of thinking about Triangle.

I don't really see Pine as being scum. His posts are clear and thoughtful, and he presents cases with evidence and logical reasoning. This post also feels very town to me:

Reck, at this point, I'm 95% likely to be a mislynch at some point, whether it is D1 or later. Making that lynch not a waste is more important than preventing it.

I'm also not a loss for Town. I've said my piece and don't have an important role. So don't sweat it.

The only thing that bothers me about him is his statement about having a "crystal-clear" idea of who the scum are, but that seems more like a poor choice of words than anything else.

Also, I claim vanilla townie.

ehhhh why'd scum Triangle say that if Pine is town.

@Uphill: That's because triangle is scum and Soda is the counterwagon boom it's done he's town

I don't understand this reasoning. Uphill brings up a good point - you've weighed in on pretty much everything so far and yet you glossed over the bandwagon on Soda, stating simply that he's town without actually giving any reasoning to support that.

Hm.

[Pine]

ehhhh why'd scum Triangle say that if Pine is town.

WIFOM.

@Uphill: That's because triangle is scum and Soda is the counterwagon boom it's done he's town

I don't understand this reasoning. Uphill brings up a good point - you've weighed in on pretty much everything so far and yet you glossed over the bandwagon on Soda, stating simply that he's town without actually giving any reasoning to support that.

Hm.

Also WIFOM.

[Force of Nature]

I hate it when people just say "WIFOM" instead of trying to figure out what's going on in scums' heads.
Obviously we have to guess whether scum were intentionally misleading us, but that doesn't mean what they wrote doesn't help us read off their buddies.

[Pine]

Triangle was making use of WIFOM, which by definition can't really be followed. The best bet way to win the WIFOM game is not to play it.

Also, I note that you aren't following your own advice and trying to deduce what Triangle's motive were, which would be a futile but Towny thing to do. Rather, you simply propagated the WIFOM without drawing meaningful conclusions.

I'm fully on board now, Reck.

Unvote
Vote: FoN

[Force of Nature]

I thought 601 felt odd if you're town and 386 looked like a scumlink to Uphill.
WIFOM by definition can't be followed? I now respect you a little less than I did before.

[Force of Nature]

Like seriously, you don't think you're sufficiently superior to Triangle, who has played 2 games, to try and follow what she was trying to accomplish with her posts?
386 isn't even wifom, it just looks like scum talking about a buddy. When scum says "X has a good point" X is usually either town going wrong or a buddy they want to give points to. I'm not sure how WIFOM factors into it at all.

[Uphill]

I agree that the scum probably weren't bussing Triangle when the Pine lynch was so very, very plausible. I'd rather lynch someone who was on the Pine wagon yesterday than Soda or Pine. I'd be okay with lynching Sleepy or Force but actually I think wierdalex is the scummiest. I say that cause of this:

OH MY GOD PINE'S SCUM. Basically, what Uphill said.

Here he screams in all caps that Pine is scum, but for all his apparent certainty this is all he ever says about Pine. I would think someone this certain about one of the wagons would be trying a lot harder to get that one lynched, rather than just waiting and letting the other one happen. Speaking of Triangle, weirdalex says that Reck really stretched his point about Triangle early on, which wouldn't be that bad except that it is the only thing he

ever

says about Triangle. Triangle had focus on her for basically the entire day, I don't see a good reason for alex to not state a read on her, and the Reck-stretching-his-point thing seems like a passive defense that still lets him fence-sit.

VOTE: wierdalexv

Vote: Uphill

Comes into the game, makes an aggressive attack against implosion for "completely ignoring the guy he's voting". Gives half-assed reads on a few other people, backs down after a quick exchange with implosion. Goes on a short lurker hunt without pursuing anyone else, then finally, near deadline, makes a left-field vote on pine without much of a reason, disappears. Has an absolute minimal interaction with Triangle who was the LYNCH OF THE DAY, which is made especially weird considering the lurker hunt he was making earlier. He never really explains the reason why he unvotes implosion, and the switch from kondi to Pine is pretty damn opportunistic, as shown by the fact that there's nothing leading up to it and no follow up AT ALL.

Even after I switched my Pine read, he still wasn't very high up on my scumlist, he was definitely behind implosion, reck, and kondi/alex. None of my scummier reads were happening though and the deadline was coming down, so I'm really not sure what else you'd expect me to do there.

I don't know why you say I had minimal interaction with Triangle, I clearly stated I had a town read on her and I explained why I read her town, that seems like anything but minimal to me. I honestly didn't notice she was lurking until you pointed it out just now, but it wouldn't have mattered anyways because I had a town read on her and I'm certainly not going to pursue a lurker lynch on a town read. (like say, furc)

I unvoted implosion cause I was honestly pissed off about mattman and kondi lurking, and by the time I was over that it was really too late to try to get an implosion wagon going, especially with my first attempt giving me an idea of how successful I would be.

[SodaSpirit17]

Ugh I started to hate pine towards the beginning of the day, because he wasn't bothering to scumhunt. Now he's trying so uh, I'll keep my eye on him.

Would like to hear from Yates, but Uproar has done good.

I had a really bad feeling about implosion, but I never really pursued trying to lynch him thankfully.

But my main concern is FoN atm, because he said that the Pine wagon was more town driven. I know it was possible for Triangle to have been bussed, but uh, I think he could have tried to make his buddy look good by getting an easy possible mislynch in. His d1 playstyle was also really weird, I've played with him before and I don't know, he was more 'serious'. Of course maybe that was cause he was basically confirmed town in the game we played in but I really don't know. I think our lynch should be between Pine and FoN so.

VOTE: FoN

[Nachomamma8]

ehhhh why'd scum Triangle say that if Pine is town.

Scum call townies town all the time. Don't forget that scum triangle also did this:

I don't like his certainty that Pine is town, especially when it's this early in the game.

I don't really think that scum would attack another person because they are calling their scumpartner town. Literally the only things that can be accomplished from this are: A) Someone with a town read on a strong member of the scumteam and no scumreads is lynched. B) Person with town read on a strong member of the scumteam reevaluates read. Townread is either lost or townread is reevaluated and scumbuddy is lynched.

[xRECKONERx]

Pine is town, let's move on.

[Nachomamma8]

Even after I switched my Pine read, he still wasn't very high up on my scumlist, he was definitely behind implosion, reck, and kondi/alex. None of my scummier reads were happening though and the deadline was coming down, so I'm really not sure what else you'd expect me to do there.

Um, you never followed up on any of those reads when you stopped voting them, how was I supposed to know he was on your scumlist? How was ANYONE supposed to know? Your ISO #10 didn't even imply why you were deciding to change votes. It was far more of a "hey, this is a scumslip, lynch now" kind of post. If this was a deadline compromise kind of post, you should have mentioned that you were voting Pine over triangle for X reason, and that you still thought implosion, reck, and alex were all scummy.

I don't know why you say I had minimal interaction with Triangle, I clearly stated I had a town read on her and I explained why I read her town, that seems like anything but minimal to me. I honestly didn't notice she was lurking until you pointed it out just now, but it wouldn't have mattered anyways because I had a town read on her and I'm certainly not going to pursue a lurker lynch on a town read. (like say, furc)

This is what you said about triangle:

My read on Triangle:

Reckoner: Neither you nor FoN said Furcolow is definitely 100% scum, and even though your reasoning for accusing him was, in my opinion, weak, you still gave reasoning to support what you were saying.

Except what you implied regarding your thoughts about Furcolow wasn't as strong as he was saying.

Reck: To me, Grimm sounded more certain that Pine was town than you were of Furcolow being scum. I was also not entirely sure how serious you were being about attacking him over ellipses and decided you were being half-serious, half-not, whereas Grimm sounded entirely serious.

Same as above. Genuine response, no hint of nervousness, calm and transparent, yadda yadda yadda.

You gave reasons for Soda being town, then posted a bunch of Triangle quotes that don't mean shit on their own and said "she's town too". You never mentioned her again. This is the definition of "minimal".

I unvoted implosion cause I was honestly pissed off about mattman and kondi lurking, and by the time I was over that it was really too late to try to get an implosion wagon going, especially with my first attempt giving me an idea of how successful I would be.

I'm assuming that implosion did scummy things after you switched votes. Why didn't you comment on them?

[SodaSpirit17]

That's what I'm thinking right now, but I'm pretty sure one dude tried to save Triangle, maybe two.

[Nachomamma8]

Soda, why is Pine on your scumlist?

[SodaSpirit17]

I didn't like his willingness to change his vote at the beginning of today. He was like we get obvscum today and the rest later. However, he's looking better now. So I wouldn't really suspect him as scum atm.

[Nachomamma8]

TOWN:
Alex
Soda
Reck
Pine
Yates
Furc

Scum:
Uphill
SK

Leftovers:
FoN
Grimmjow

[Furcolow]

Yo, Implosion, remember when reck said:

Reck might be scum.

Oh, that's right, you died and flipped town doctor
and I made a case on you
and triangle said using elipses is something that didn't make me scum
would scum do that to their buddy d1?
no siree bob

[Force of Nature]

Also FoN's #750 is just planting the seeds of "oh hey look how easy I can jump to any of the following five wagons today" so he doesn't look scummy in doing so

Are you kidding me?
Even if I wasn't the type of player who reorients entirely on a regular basis to go after somebody I've previously barely mentioned / called town, that would be dumb. But I am.

[SleepyKrew]

Tiiiiiiiiiiired

[xRECKONERx]

Yo, Implosion, remember when reck said:

Reck might be scum.

Oh, that's right, you died and flipped town doctor
and I made a case on you
and triangle said using elipses is something that didn't make me scum
would scum do that to their buddy d1?
no siree bob

I can't even process this bumfucknowhere backwoods cousinfuckery of a post

[Nachomamma8]

FoN, the next post you make is a good post. Otherwise, I'm going to vote you.

[Uphill]

Um, you never followed up on any of those reads when you stopped voting them, how was I supposed to know he was on your scumlist? How was ANYONE supposed to know?

Because I said they were all in my scumlist in my very first post, and then never moved them?

Your ISO #10 didn't even imply why you were deciding to change votes. It was far more of a "hey, this is a scumslip, lynch now" kind of post.

I'll concede I should have been more clear that it was a deadline vote, but how are you concluding that I said "hey, this is a scumslip, lynch now" on Pine? I specifically said that I thought I might have been hasty in calling him town, why are you making it out to be more aggressive than that?

If this was a deadline compromise kind of post, you should have mentioned that you were voting Pine over triangle for X reason, and that you still thought implosion, reck, and alex were all scummy.

And become king of fluff posting? No thank you. I'd already made it clear what I thought on all these things. I'm not going to repeat myself into oblivion.

This is what you said about triangle:

My read on Triangle:

Reckoner: Neither you nor FoN said Furcolow is definitely 100% scum, and even though your reasoning for accusing him was, in my opinion, weak, you still gave reasoning to support what you were saying.

Except what you implied regarding your thoughts about Furcolow wasn't as strong as he was saying.

Reck: To me, Grimm sounded more certain that Pine was town than you were of Furcolow being scum. I was also not entirely sure how serious you were being about attacking him over ellipses and decided you were being half-serious, half-not, whereas Grimm sounded entirely serious.

Same as above. Genuine response, no hint of nervousness, calm and transparent, yadda yadda yadda.

You gave reasons for Soda being town, then posted a bunch of Triangle quotes that don't mean shit on their own and said "she's town too". You never mentioned her again. This is the definition of "minimal".

Uh, no, I definitely did not just say "she's town too", I said the reasons I read her as town were the same as the reasons I read Soda as town, those are completely different. I still don't see what more I could have done.

I'm assuming that implosion did scummy things after you switched votes. Why didn't you comment on them?

Why would you assume that? My case on implosion at the end of the day was the same as when I replaced in.

[Force of Nature]

I can't even process this bumfucknowhere backwoods cousinfuckery of a post

Hahaha, I think Furc is arguing that he's town because Triangle said ellipses weren't a scumtell.
Which is silly, but at least parsable. I still think Furc's town.

Nacho, I'll make my next post nice and pretty for you. My reads are getting toward something like
Town:
FoN
Nacho
Furc
Reck
Pine
Yates

Dubious:
Soda
Grimm
Alex
Uphill
Skrew

[xRECKONERx]

Dubious:SodaGrimmAlexUphillSkrew

YA DON'T SAY

ALL THE LURKERS PLUS SKREW ARE YOUR SCUMREADS?

HOW FASCINATING
HOW BIZARRE

[Nachomamma8]

Because I said they were all in my scumlist in my very first post, and then never moved them?

See, reads are supposed to evolve when you play this game. You should be making an effort to see if your reads are correct or not. You should NOT make a scumlist in your first post and then ignore all of your townreads from then on and tunnel through your scumlist. Surely you realize that one reads post is not good enough?

I'll concede I should have been more clear that it was a deadline vote, but how are you concluding that I said "hey, this is a scumslip, lynch now" on Pine? I specifically said that I thought I might have been hasty in calling him town, why are you making it out to be more aggressive than that?

I read the paragraph before your vote.

And become king of fluff posting? No thank you. I'd already made it clear what I thought on all these things. I'm not going to repeat myself into oblivion.

Following up on your scumreads is not fluff.

Uh, no, I definitely did not just say "she's town too", I said the reasons I read her as town were the same as the reasons I read Soda as town, those are completely different. I still don't see what more I could have done.

You don't see what more you could have done? Maybe given actual reasons? Maybe paid attention to her instead of just filing her into the town-category?

Why would you assume that? My case on implosion at the end of the day was the same as when I replaced in.

Well...

He's just completely fucking ignoring the guy he's voting. No way in hell does town EVER do that.

I figured you'd be able to come up with more than what you posted initially, considering you had a hell of a lot more pages to work with. And you wouldn't want to be King of Fluff by just posting the same thing over and over again, right?