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I want to hear a little more from you than that FourTrouble. I don't think anyone's getting off with unexplained votes at this point. Not with two townies biting the dust last night. We need to be more precautious than that.

↑ VP Baltar wrote:What does an encoder do btw? I don't know if I"m familiar with the role. Anyone know?

I think they send messages to players at night, but I don't know for sure.

did anyone receive a message at night? I know I've heard of the role, but I can't place my finger on it or find it in the wiki.

↑ VP Baltar wrote:did anyone receive a message at night? I know I've heard of the role, but I can't place my finger on it or find it in the wiki.

I didn't.

Honestly, I didn't support the peregrine lynch at the time. I did not really have a scum read on him towards the end. I thought he was at first but people convinced me other wise and the longer it went on I kind of got a town feeling.

Therefore i'm kind of starting over with my analysis for myself at the moment. since i was obviously so wrong.

levi's probably town imo.

Town:
VP
Nacho
Leviathan
FourTrouble
RestFermata

Lynch pool:
Iecerint
Human Destroyer
Empking


Basically, I think Iec was doing his damnedest to save PV even as PV continued to tie his own rope. I think Iec also was trying to keep the door open yesterday so DDD and I wouldn't appear too confirmed townie, which is a really bad thing for scum when two forceful players get confirmed town. Fortunately, I think nacho might be able to step up into that role and we can ride this thing to victory.

That's basically the way I see it without a full reread of the game right now, which I plan to do maybe like Wednesday. Nacho, I'd like to hear your thoughts on that list. You too Rest. Everyone else can comment too of course, but those are the two I'm primarily interested in hearing from right now.

VP, you think Iecerint and/or HD could be scum with Empking? I don't think that makes too much sense. Iece/HD makes sense together, if Empking is scum I doubt either Iece/HD is though.

btw reason for my vote on HD is same as D1, with the added fact that HD's 211 looks informed in retrospect, and the quality of reasoning behind HD's vote on Empking is crap.

I have to admit though, rereading Iecerint he definitely looks a lot more scummy with PV's flip. This post, for example:

↑ Iecerint wrote:

↑ FourTrouble wrote:IF SK is town (which is more likely than not), doesn't that make it a safe wagon for scum to hide on?

Are you suggesting that everyone on the SK wagon is town?

This is framing his actions in a scummy light. It doesn't even have much of anything to do with what Peregrine has posted.

Iecerint more sensitive to things that could cast PV as scummy because he knows PV was scum? Am I wrong in thinking Iecerint was overreacting here?

Upon rereading things, I'd be very happy lynching Iecerint.

I didn't think Peregrine was scummy D1, and my actions D1 reflect that. I can understand people finding this suspicious in hindsight, but that's all it was.

VP, attacking you and DDD is a dumb dumb scum-move, especially if I know that Peregrine is about to flip scum. You are both high-gravitas players. I would not have done that as scum. I did it because I was trying to figure out the Jason nightkill, which made no sense to me.

Also, consider whether you're reading RestFermata as town merely because I think he is scum. My guess is that you are getting a relational town-read on him because of my read on him.

Iece, how does the question I asked PV in 37 portray him as scum?

@ FT, this is the whole quote pyramid:

↑ FourTrouble wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:@Four- You're voting EmpKing for getting on Kerrigan wagon, which is a wagon she herself is on.Somehow that bugs me.

IF SK is town (which is more likely than not), doesn't that make it a safe wagon for scum to hide on? Are you suggesting that everyone on the SK wagon is town?

Peregrine's comment obviously (IMO) does not entail that everyone on the SK wagon is town. The point (as I read it) was that you were treating the self-wagon unnaturally -- hence, he found it suspicious.

It looked like you were using craplogic to reframe Pere's point against you (i.e., that your early vote was weak) in terms of his making an irrational/weird/scummy/at-any-rate-voteable inference. It took our subsequent back-and-forth for me to reject this and decide that you were probably town.

I still don't see how the question I asked frames PV in a scummy light? I didn't vote him or give any indication that I thought he was scum, so what specifically made you think I was trying to frame PV as scum?

I read the last sentence ("Are you saying...?") as being asked with a tone of incredulity.

Like, LOL LOOK @ U MAKIN THESE CRAAAAZY CLAIMS ROFL.

Whereas really he never made that claim from what I could tell. Hence, I interpreted this as a scum->town interaction, because you were apparently misrepresenting his post to discredit it.

You might have actually meant the question literally, which I guess might explain why you're having a hard time understanding why I would read it that way.

↑ FourTrouble wrote:I still don't see how the question I asked frames PV in a scummy light? I didn't vote him or give any indication that I thought he was scum, so what specifically made you think I was trying to frame PV as scum?

its true. you didn't do that. but couldn't it be a possibility that you already knew he was scum and didn't want to bus him? PV WAS scum. maybe you weren't trying to frame him, but there could have been something going on between you two.

what's your scum list levi? In fact, I'd like to hear where everyone stands at this point.

Well, my reads look like this

town

VP
Iecrerant
leviathan

nulls meaning i don't know cause they could go both ways
nacho
rest
empking

scum
human destroyer
four trouble

Levi, why is HD scum and Iece town?

↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:Thanks?

I find it pretty funny that people don't find you scum as well.

And yeah it's really sad chkflip is being so stupid because he's really obviously town.

Are we really saying that DDD vengekilled chkflip?

↑ Iecerint wrote:Chkflp probably would've been my pick if he were still alive due to his having hammered D1 to unlynch Pere, but he's not. My two main gut scum reads of players still alive are RestFermata and HumanDestroyer (latter is mostly relational). Town on VP/Nacho/levi/FT, null on EmpKing.

HumanDestroyer gets townpoints for voting PereV out of the gate after someone else had already voted me going into D2. RestFermata was in favor of the PereV wagon prior to being opposed to it and then voting MsMarangal.

Vote: RestFermata

Give me more than gut reads, please. I don't care about reads that are completely intuition at this point.

↑ VP Baltar wrote:Hi, Nacho. You ready to bust some serious scum brains today? PS, you better not be tricksy scum or I'll find out. TIA

Actually, yes. I am very ready to destroy the scumteam today.
even if that scumteam includes you
it probably doesn't, but constant vigilance

↑ Human Destroyer wrote:Explanation after I answer this question.

Hello why are you treating the people who suspect you awkwardly?

↑ VP Baltar wrote:What does an encoder do btw? I don't know if I"m familiar with the role. Anyone know?

Enables daytalk.

↑ VP Baltar wrote:Nacho, I'd like to hear your thoughts on that list.

I'm going to go through the game tomorrow when I'm finishing up a term paper. I'll have a much clearer idea then because I have been very out of touch with mafia lately. Iecerint/HD are the two big suspicions for me though, with HD over Iece.

Nacho, thoughts on Levi? His reads don't seem consistent with his previous analysis, and his defense of PV + Iece is not something we should overlook just because his crappy posting is null.

↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:

↑ VP Baltar wrote:What does an encoder do btw? I don't know if I"m familiar with the role. Anyone know?

Enables daytalk.

That's an Encryptor isn't it?


My reads, scum: lev, Iece
Town: VP, Nacho