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Post Post #775 (ISO) » Sat Jul 01, 2006 2:18 pm

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The lynch Kain, check you was an example, it could go either way. Would you rather be lynched? That can be arranged :D.

Losing a townie now isn't a good idea. It never is, but I'm trying to formulate a plan to catch the last remaining scum, however many there are.


I'm still thinking about it, but my reasoning for only one kill tonight is this:

We have 3 kills:
1.) discrediting
2.) frozen banana
3.) implicating

We had somebody claim the frozen banana, and after his death, they've stopped, so we're down to 2 deaths.
Spectra claimed to be the discreditor, which I find most likely to be a vig role flavorwise seeing as how the town discredits players when we lynch them. He also claimed to have used up all of his kills, so that'll take us down one.
That leaves implicating as the last method of killing left. And thusly one kill per night.

I'm still thinking what we want to do with PBuG, because we do get an extra townie death if he does target scum, but I'm also thinking moreso that he's lying, and I think this method might be a good way to test it. If he confirms everybody as town, then eventually he'll have nobody left to target and we'll lynch him by default, and if he dies, then not only is he confirmed (thus saving us a lynch) but we also have an outed scum.

and since I think I forgot to earlier:
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Post Post #776 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:58 am

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I really want to know the so-called discrepancies that you brought up in the previous post. Can you point them out? Especially the one about PBug not showing a 3rd target. I'm reserving judgement on whether PBug is telling the truth or not for now.
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Post Post #777 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:59 am

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Argh I forgot to ask: what is a vig?
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Post Post #778 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:13 am

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Link to the Wiki.

It's like a SK, but on the town's side.
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Post Post #779 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:29 am

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I believe Michael as the vig, I figured rite/viper/spectrum to be the vig by process of elimination. The only other person I thought could be the vig was Kain, but now that vig is claimed, I'm very sure that Kain is scum.

Even if we could speculate that spectrum is lying, he said that all discreditations were used and therefore any further discrediting will give away spectrum.

Scum must be Y PBuG and Kain.
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Post Post #780 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:53 am

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A flaw in your logic Pablito. If I am scum why am I so viciously attacking Y? There's no reason to be this aggresive towards a scum mate. Ive played scum before and I understand the importance of bickering with your scum mate but not to the point where its a lynch him or you scenario. Shesh!

Are you suggesting one of us is a SK? If so then STATE IT SO your point makes sense...if not what are you trying to say....a four scum group?
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Post Post #781 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:46 am

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I have revealed all three of my targets, what are you talking about? I forgot there was a night 0, and I corrected my mistake later. That's also why I did not hide behind c_d twice (N0 and N2), because (and I don't know if this is normal for a hider) I cannot hide behind the same person twice in a row. If I remember correctly from the last tme I was a hider (Pixar Mafia, methinks), if I hide behind scum they kill me instead of their target, so if I target mafia and we lynch the SK (KAIN), I will be the only death. I will, if you don't lynch me (and I understand why I'm a lynch candidate), target Y, and doing so will tell you who the last scum is.

As I've said, whether I am scum or not, lynching Kain, who I am 95% sure is the SK, will 100% clear the two masons.
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Post Post #782 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:47 am

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Mistake in the above post: "lynching Kain, who I am 95% sure is the SK" should be "lynching the SK, who I am 95% sure is Kain".
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Post Post #783 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:42 pm

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I'm not sure we have the time to test and confirm PBug's role. In addition, tesing it would prove difficult if he's lying.
Y wrote:Kain, on the other hand, has become scummy by doing scummy things (Misleading, straw-manning, false accusations, etc.).
umm... where did misleading and false accusation come from?

Something doesn't hold water. Spectrum, who did rite target for his discredits? It's not blatantly obvious to me even if it does seem so.
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Post Post #784 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:37 pm

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I think I can answer CD's question, but i'd rather hear Spectrum answer it.
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Post Post #785 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:58 pm

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Misleading came from two things:
1. His role. He says that he got a PM with a hint that points directly at me. He says that although some may think that the clue is vague, it must point at me (Thus everybody were trying to lynch me instead of trying to figure out the clue).
2. After I claimed two times that my ability is a one time ability, he kept saying that it is an all time ability. Why did he do so?

To false accuse me of lying about my role. He also accused me based on his "clue" without even trying to analyze it.

He also accused me for trying to show him as an SK with no logic, thus saying I was straw-manning and making me a liar (A logical explanation was given before).
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Post Post #786 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:25 pm

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Y wrote:Misleading came from two things:
1. His role. He says that he got a PM with a hint that points directly at me. He says that although some may think that the clue is vague, it must point at me (Thus everybody were trying to lynch me instead of trying to figure out the clue).
2. After I claimed two times that my ability is a one time ability, he kept saying that it is an all time ability. Why did he do so?

I don't see how admitting a clue is vague and expressing your opinion on it as misleading. From what I observed, people didn't jump on because it pointed to you, but because you had displayed some suspicious activity in the past. Both Pablito and al_ko said so and to be honest, you weren't exactly at the very bottom of my suspicion list either. It looked more like a catalyst.
Y wrote:To false accuse me of lying about my role. He also accused me based on his "clue" without even trying to analyze it.

He also accused me for trying to show him as an SK with no logic, thus saying I was straw-manning and making me a liar (A logical explanation was given before).
If Kain accused you of being a liar and a SK, there's no way we can tell if he's right or wrong. It isn't exactly 'false' until it's tested.
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Post Post #787 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:16 pm

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It is false if you make up your proof.
He said that I'm a liar for not providing logical explanation after I did (Not flawless, but logical). He didn't prove me wrong, he completely ignored my base and said my point is baseless.

About the clue:
He didn't say it is vague and expressed his thoughts, he canceled the option of it being vague (As it might appear to
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Post Post #788 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:16 pm

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Y's ability is one shot, you have not used your ability yet, right Y?

I'm trying to think of a possible plan of action we should take, but keep in mind that this is basing off the fact that I'm assuming we trust me and CD to be masons, and Spectrum to be town. The plan of action could change and I want to have other people voice their opinions on the plan before we take any action on it at all.

We lynch Kain today. If he is town, we know his clue must be true, and most likely points to Y, if he's scum, the Y is not confirmed, but has a good chance of being town.

During the night, PBuG targets Pablito. Pablito roleblocks Y.
If PBuG dies, then Pab is scum, if PBuG lives, then Pab is presumably town. If there is no night kill tomorrow at all, Y was probably blocked and is probably scum (which would also go along with PBuG living from targetting Pab).




I was hoping I'd finish this, but I've become too consumed by a mafia game I'm trying to setup to focus enough on this, but I think this is one of the best possibilities we can get to start out with. Really there are so many possibilities left out there, I think it may be impossible to find any foolproof or virtually foolproof plan to win, but I'm going to try to think of the most likely way we can win as the town. A way that will confirm as many people as possible as quickly as we can. And if anybody can help me do this, it would be greatly beneficial to the town.

And as I'm saying that we should lynch Kain, I'm assuming he'd be against this plan, but I'd like to hear any and all reasons from him for and against this plan, and where he personally stands on this issue.
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Post Post #789 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:42 pm

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the people discredited: slyph N1, Mariyta N2.

So assuming PBug, me, c_d, al are telling truth, we could lynch either Kain or Y. The only question I have about that is: if Kain is scum, is Y necessarily town? But I guess this is moot for now, I'll discuss it later if we decide to follow your plan.
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Post Post #790 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:51 pm

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Y is not necessarily town, I'm trying to find a way to get our players to confirm Y as town with their abilities, but it doesn't help not knowing how many scum are left.
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Post Post #791 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:41 pm

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I used my ability last knight.
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Post Post #792 (ISO) » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:13 am

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You know I'd prefer to go with a Y lynch as I think he's our best choice as my vote indicates but.....
If you and the rest of the town REALLY feel that your plan will be the MOST LOGICAL one for a victory then Im disgruntingly fine with it. Its better I die and then according to his logic stated above you will know who is town and who isn't.
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Post Post #793 (ISO) » Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:24 am

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Ok, that's more for it than I thought, thank you.

What are your thoughts for how the night targets should probably go, and which ones should be left to their own discretion as far as trying to figure out who the town is?
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Post Post #794 (ISO) » Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:20 am

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Y wrote:It is false if you make up your proof.
He said that I'm a liar for not providing logical explanation after I did (Not flawless, but logical). He didn't prove me wrong, he completely ignored my base and said my point is baseless.
And how is this a 'false' accusation? It is more correct to say that he used a 'baseless' accusation to attack a person in order to get that person lynched.

Yes, I make up my proof, but I make them up based off the posts. So it isn't some kind of jumbo mishmash I put together out of thin air.
Y wrote:About the clue:
He didn't say it is vague and expressed his thoughts, he canceled the option of it being vague (As it might appear to
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people) and pointed it at me as if it was a solid fact.

Here's where your wrong. He definitely said it might not point to you. However, he also said that he didn't know who it could point to and the best he could come up with is Y.
Kain wrote:True "alphabet" does not most defeinately point at Y but it is the best conclusion I can come to a this point.
al_ko later came up with the same conclusion.

Here's my thoughts, the masons will be the one of the least likely to be targeted. Why? Because if one of them die, the other gets confirmed, hence it's more harmful than helpful for scum. If PBug is protown, he will not be targetted either because then it would confirm 'alot' of people. So that leaves Pablito, spectrum, Y, and Kain. Pablito is most likey going to die because of his roleblocking ability. Next comes Kain for his unknown and unclear role. Then come the useless townies.

My suggestion is to lynch one of the four. That forces SK and scum to pick one of the 'three' targets left or force a confirmation.
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Post Post #795 (ISO) » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:11 am

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chaotic_diablo wrote:Yes, I make up my proof, but I make them up based off the posts.
That's exactly my point: His so called proof was based on ignoring what I wrote.

*I give a logical explanation.
*Kain accuses me for not giving a logical explanation.

Kain's accusation is based on a false fact, thus making it a "False accusation".

Here's a plan:
Masons are cleared.
It leaves us with 5 other players. I think Spectrum is town too (IIRC, he replaced Viper/Rite. Rite was almost confirmed because of the N0 almost kill), so it leaves us with 4.
Among the four players left, the most probable option is to have three scum.

If we lynch any one of the four and he's town, the other three are probably scum.
During the night they have two options: Killing one of their own or killing one of the most probably town, thus proving they are scum.

The problem is, that if they are all from the same group (I don't think so, but it's a possibility), the town loses tonight.

I'm willing to volunteer if you think this plan will work. Of course I think Kain would be a better lynch because he's probably scum.

It's up to you.
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Post Post #796 (ISO) » Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:13 am

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vote: Kain
this plan is our best option I feel.
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Post Post #797 (ISO) » Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:30 pm

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I don't think the scum are from the same group. It might be a strategy to vote each other to remove suspicion, but this has gone way beyond that. At this point, we have Y wanting to lynch Kain, and vice versa. It's probably too dangerous for them to counter accuse each other now, so it's probably 2 scum groups, or 1 scum + 1 SK or whatever.

I'll go with al_kohec.
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Post Post #798 (ISO) » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:12 pm

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I guess that's a lynch...
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Post Post #799 (ISO) » Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:29 am

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Vote Count

Kain (4): PBuG, Y, pablito, spectrumvoid
Y (1): Kain


The SEC rolls into the room. "Have you guys finally decided on someone?"

Yeah, spectrum answers "Kain, we think kain is an informant."

"No, he shouts back, I got information. ALPHABET!!!,"

"Liar"

"ALPHABET"

Liar"

"ALPHABET"

Liar"

"ALPHABET"

Liar"

"ANNYONG," he slips and turns bright red.

"Well, either way he is gone," the SEC says, "Time for some one on one interrogations."

Kain, Annyong Bluth (Serial Killer) was discredited.

It is now night, get in night choices.
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