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In post 774, morph the cat wrote:However, I didn't like the 624 reasons for the vote, and made a note to bring that up with Cabd when we synch our reads. In the Wayne games I've read, I've found him to be plenty abrasive as town.

In post 752, waynegg wrote:

In post 718, BROseidon wrote:

In post 713, waynegg wrote:Outside perspective... BRO ~ what do you think of the intro on that post you quoted right there?

I don't like the phrase, but it would indicate that he's nervous about me pointing out mastin's waffling. Makes a good associative tell, but doesn't seem scum motivated unless mastin is scum.

I'm talking about these and liespotting

In post 338, thezmon221 wrote:Huh that's weird.

Ffery, what caused that? I

personally

don't see anything in my post that would change your stance,

personally

.

In post 683, thezmon221 wrote:

Honestly

, apart from his rage against BRO, in Post 350, I haven't seen much value in his posts. Not to mention, he harps on BRO in said post for commentating, but does the same himself, except for that post.

In post 696, thezmon221 wrote:Let's be honest here[/b]: When isn't this the case? I don't know if I have played a game with mastin as town where he

hasn't

waffled. It certainly was the case last Xeno game and he flipped town.

In post 764, mastin2 wrote:That's called my weekend V/LA, BRO. Check my sig. It's been there for months.

In post 767, morph the cat wrote:And I'm perplexed that I'm your strongest scum read because I am not used to town-you getting my alignment this wrong.

In post 780, pieguyn wrote:

@BROs:

can you plz explain why you seem to like jumping on wagons? first Varsoon, and then wayne.

In post 781, BROseidon wrote:

In post 767, morph the cat wrote:And I'm perplexed that I'm your strongest scum read because I am not used to town-you getting my alignment this wrong.

Why aren't you considering the possibility that mastin's scum?

In post 779, pieguyn wrote:if you answered it sry i'm tired as hell so i probably missed it

wondering, the vote was in 622 and he gave a specific reason immediately in 624. how is it you don't find too much trouble with the vote, even though you don't like the reason that was given at practically the same time?

In post 756, waynegg wrote:

Liars overemphasize their truthfulness.

“To tell you the truth…” “Honestly…” “I swear to you…” Oh, if only it were so! When people use these bolstering statements to emphasize their honesty, there’s a good chance they are hiding something. Learning to baseline someone’s normal behavior is important in situations such as this: You want to listen for normal or harmless use of such phrases. There’s no need to add them if you really are telling the truth, so be on guard.

If this were his normal behavior, he wouldn't have abruptly stopped saying it after I hit on it. Because it would be his normal behavior.

In post 784, morph the cat wrote:

In post 781, BROseidon wrote:

In post 767, morph the cat wrote:And I'm perplexed that I'm your strongest scum read because I am not used to town-you getting my alignment this wrong.

Why aren't you considering the possibility that mastin's scum?

Why aren't you reading my posts?

In post 785, pieguyn wrote:I was thinking, you've jumped onto two wagons now citing nothing but meta. your jump on wayne was citing meta about being abrasive and it seems so similar to your jump on Varsoon citing meta about vote position because of this. also, both wagons seemed like points where there'd be a possibility of some big breakthrough happening. I was starting to full-out attack Varsoon when you jumped on him and your vote on wayne was near the start of the whole thing with him. I just wanna know if you have some sort of idea behind this or not?

In post 754, zMuffinMan wrote:honestly, i think that's more of a habit than a tell

In post 757, waynegg wrote:

In post 754, zMuffinMan wrote:

honestly,

i think that's more of a habit than a tell

And you of all people should know, after Xenogears, to let someone answer their own questions and their own heat.

In post 786, morph the cat wrote:He put a vote down on someone I was thinking was scum. VOTES on someone I think are scum are good. REASONS can be bad even if the vote itself fits my purposes, which are to find town to work with and find scum to lynch.

In post 775, borkjerfkin wrote:just pagetoppin' for the hell of it

In post 716, morph the cat wrote:

In post 710, mastin2 wrote:

In post 694, BROseidon wrote:So you don't like going after strong players that you scumread early because you're afraid that you might mislynch them.

Yes?

I don't see why you think this is strange. I'll make notes of strong players that I scumread, and point it out. But I'm not going to push them. Not strongly. Because I'm not a scumhunting god. I'm a decently-mediocre player, even upper-mediocre. My reads are right more often than they are wrong, but they ARE wrong, and wrong a ton. What if I were wrong on that strong player being scum? Then I've just sabotaged us both, and given the scum a MASSIVE edge.

It's better to take things more casually. And work with them, hash it out so to speak. Let them see it, let them have a chance to talk me out of it, basically, prod about it and get more info on them before I make a final decision.

It's not the kind of player I want to commit to on D1, if that makes sense.

I've replied to you. I don't see much work with or hash out happening here, Mastin. And I see a whole lot of oooooh but I might be.

You wouldn't be distancing would you?

In post 767, morph the cat wrote:

In post 764, mastin2 wrote:

In post 716, morph the cat wrote:I've replied to you. I don't see much work with or hash out happening here, Mastin. And I see a whole lot of oooooh but I might be. You wouldn't be distancing would you?

Honestly, I kinda suck at reaching out to you. It's there, but it's sorta subtle I guess. Probably too much. But I'm not sure what else I can do, other than blatantly spending a lot of time on you and forcing it through. But I don't want to force it through. I want things to flow organically. And I'm doing as much as I can to make things go that smoothly, yet they're apparently not strong enough.

(Also. I can't be distancing unless we're both scum. )

You can be distancing from my flip, which is what I meant.

Your

I could be wrong

message gives me that vibe.

I am trying. I'm trying to figure things out. I'm trying to talk to you. But this is the best I can do.

What do you want to talk about?

In post 723, morph the cat wrote:Since his vote is on us, I'm assuming that means he thinks we're not strong players.

I can definitely understand how you'd interpret it that way, but it's not. You seem to be assuming that my vote on you is an attempt to lynch you. It's not. Quite the opposite, I fully expect the lynch to not be on you. My vote's not on you to pressure you. It's to make a statement about my reads, essentially.

In that...I'm desperate. I really, really don't have anywhere better to go. I don't. I simply don't. I wish I did, but I'm not seeing it. It's not a vote saying that I want you dead. It's a vote saying that I've literally got nothing else I can think of to do. Granted, I maybe shoulda used the bold tags rather than the vote tags to emphasize that. But my scumread on you was just strong enough to warrant the vote tags. In that I DO think you're scum, and decently-strongly, too. But...I'm far from certain on it. I'm not confident in it at all. I would prefer to go elsewhere, even. I just...literally, cannot think of anywhere better for me to go.

And I'm perplexed that I'm your strongest scum read

because I am not used to town-you getting my alignment this wrong

. I don't guess I'll ever be objective about how my play impacts game state, especially in the first few pages of a game. But, my behaviors are always, always, ALWAYS shaped by my motivations and there's a very straight-line relationship between my motivations and my role. I can talk about how Cabd and I partner as town vs how we partner as scum if you want. I'm pretty close to an expert on at least my side of that partnership and what I think I bring to the table. I know where my strengths as a town player lie. I know where (what passes for) my strengths as a scum player lie.

In post 791, pieguyn wrote:So the fact that someone was pushing on one of your scumreads for "bad reasons" wasn't setting off any alarms?

In post 791, pieguyn wrote:@BROs: is it a coincidence that you used meta after there were already some votes placed? I don't see why you couldn't be using meta right away even if someone has no votes on them.

In post 767, morph the cat wrote:And I'm perplexed that I'm your strongest scum read because I am not used to town-you getting my alignment this wrong

In post 796, BROseidon wrote:

In post 767, morph the cat wrote:And I'm perplexed that I'm your strongest scum read because I am not used to town-you getting my alignment this wrong

This sentence reads that you think mastin is town.

Why would you be confused if you think mastin's scum?

In post 798, morph the cat wrote:No, it does not read that I think mastin is town. It reads that I'm talking to him as though he could be town. And I'm listening to the echoes that come back in the conversation from being talked to as a potential teammate.

I'm really surprised you've never noticed this about my game before. I routinely suspend overt suspicion when interacting with players I'm not townreading, and I think about what their responses suggest about their alignment.