Mini 409: Amazing Race Mafia! Who won the million dollars?


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Post Post #775 (ISO) » Sun May 13, 2007 4:02 am

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Here's a thing I just noticed.

Let's assume for one second that I might possibly be right. say Patrick is scum. A Mafia inventor. Which doesn't seem out of reach for such an unbalanced game. as he ahs suggested, he has a night roleblock left.

Say we make Fuldu protect me (logical, get two kill tomorrow) and Patrick blocks him and kills me. To the normal eye, Fuldu is scum who killed me. But with this theory, we have a new idea.

Practically anyone in this game could be scum, as far as I see. But I just happen to have my eye on Patrick all the time.
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Post Post #776 (ISO) » Sun May 13, 2007 4:34 am

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(Shrug) as ever you're unreasonably paranoid. I've pointed out that DeanWinchester coming up as generic " mafia" already hints at mafia with no abilities. Furthermore, giving the mafia an inventor that can roleblock and stop lynches, would seem unfairly skewed against the day SK as well as being regular bastardmoddery. Not to mention that it would be pretty silly for me to stop the lynch of a protown player (HackerHuck). He was clearly an easy target on day 2, so I'm baffled as to why you think I would save him from a lynch if I were scum.
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Post Post #777 (ISO) » Sun May 13, 2007 7:27 am

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Considering that we're in LyLo, there's no reason not to be paranoid, and there's no reason not to think of everything. In any case, if I die tonight, it doesn't mean that Fuldu's scum.
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Post Post #778 (ISO) » Sun May 13, 2007 7:52 am

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You're conveniently ignoring some pretty strong arguments for why I'm not scum.
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Post Post #779 (ISO) » Sun May 13, 2007 8:01 am

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To say nothing of the fact that it's almost always a bad idea to publicly decide beforehand who a doctor's going to protect. Between Patrick and Atticus, I don't know that I feel strongly that one role is definitively more valuable than the other. But I do know that given the choice between definitely (at least so far as my role is concerned; Patrick's RB might play in, as well) losing the one not selected and possibly keeping both alive through the night, I'm going to go with the latter rather than the former, unless someone can strongly convince me that this is one of the rare situations where that's not the right play.
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Post Post #780 (ISO) » Sun May 13, 2007 8:09 am

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The only reason to direct a protection onto Atticus is if his vig role could guarantee us an endgame win, by hammering one, vigging the other suspect. If that isn't possible, his role doesn't really do anything and you should, if you are a doc, not reveal your choice.
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Post Post #781 (ISO) » Sun May 13, 2007 8:21 am

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If it's me and one person and one scum in endgame, we lose. If I kill someone, the votes are erased remember? So thus, me being in endgame does not win the game by simply killing everyone, because I also can't lynch someone and instantly kill the other, because I can't kill during twilight. We woudl go to night, I would die, we lose. So, that makes it pretty clear that it doesn't matter who is protected.

And Patrick, I'm not ignoring cases for why you're town. That case is surprisingly small. All you've done to try and prove your inventor role is to have known that HackerHuck could not be killed the other day.
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Post Post #782 (ISO) » Sun May 13, 2007 8:36 am

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Atticus wrote:And Patrick, I'm not ignoring cases for why you're town. That case is surprisingly small. All you've done to try and prove your inventor role is to have known that HackerHuck could not be killed the other day.
Have you ever seen scum stop someone being lynched? If not, then I don't see how you can dismiss stopping the lynch as minor or small. You also haven't made any kind of argument for why scum with that ability would use it on a protown player rather than, say, a scumbuddy.
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Post Post #783 (ISO) » Sun May 13, 2007 10:40 am

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As I've stated before, you didn't prove yous topped a lynch. You haven't even proved you have an ability.
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Post Post #784 (ISO) » Sun May 13, 2007 10:47 am

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Criminy. It's like talking to a brick wall.
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Post Post #785 (ISO) » Sun May 13, 2007 12:40 pm

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*sigh* I so wanted to beleive that you're town, but I play mafia on the basis that everyone can be scum, and you ahven't proved in anyway that you're not. No one has. 'cept me, I guess.
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Post Post #786 (ISO) » Sun May 13, 2007 1:00 pm

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That's false. There is clear evidence to suggest I'm town. Scum never get the ability to stop lynches. I stopped a lynch. Evidence that I'm town. Your only way round that is an eccentric theory about the mod stopping the town making any lynch on day 2 and only telling scum, which is clearly bastardmodding, and which I don't think has ever happened in a game either.

If I wanted to be equally annoying as you, I could say that you haven't proved that you're town either. You could be a second SK, or mafia who can daykill. That never seems to happen either, but eh, maybe this game is a first. *I do think you are town, I'm just showing that is the kind of medicine you are giving me basically.*
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I actually think the opposite is true.

Why do you think raj is scum? Just the claim, or anything in the thread?
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Post Post #787 (ISO) » Sun May 13, 2007 2:03 pm

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I don't think raj is scum. But if I had to pick one, I would pick him. I beleive TCS's claim, I don't beleive Fuldu's claim, and I beleive raj's claim. Raj's claim jsut seems less plausible than the Local Greeter for Vanilla townie. If I got to kill anyone I wanted, it would be Fuldu, alas, he is a doctor.
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Post Post #788 (ISO) » Sun May 13, 2007 2:19 pm

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Erm. So you'd vote for raj even though you don't think he's scum...
And you've said in one post that you don't believe Fuldu's claim, but you don't want to vote him because he's the doctor. So which is it? Is he the doc or is he lying scum? I'm confused about your thoughts there.
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Post Post #789 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2007 5:10 am

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Not Voting: rajrhcpfreak, Fuldu, The Central Scrutinizer, Patrick, Atticus


With 5 still in the race, it takes 3 to bring on a pit stop!

Deadline currently at 19th of May at 20:00 GMT, I believe.
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Post Post #790 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2007 9:13 am

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I don't want to kill Fuldu because he's claimed doc. I actually don't think any of them are scum, but if I had to pick one, it'd be raj.
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Post Post #791 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2007 10:39 am

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mod
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Also, did you just have me indicate a desire to punch Mirna in the face? Awesome.
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Post Post #792 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2007 10:52 am

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He already has gone mad I think. He doesn't think any of Fuldu, raj, TCS are scum.
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Post Post #793 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2007 11:04 am

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It only takes one of us to vote and that should allow a lynch cause the other 2 suspects will then vote that same player.
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Post Post #794 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2007 11:19 am

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If a deadline has expired, a majority of votes casted will suffice.
If one vote is cast, then that one vote constitutes a majority of the votes casted.

votes casted - majority
5 - 3
4 - 3
3 - 2
2 - 2
1 - 1
0 - 0

Let me know if you need any prods.

Deadline currently stands at 20:00 GMT (please note the time zone and figure it out accordingly) for 19th of May 2007.
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Post Post #795 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2007 12:28 pm

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Why the hell would I vote Patrick? He's unkillable.
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Post Post #796 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2007 12:35 pm

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I am pretty lost at this point, before I had some TCS/Fuldu vibes as HackerHuck was getting too, but now I could see any of those pairings as possible and none of the 3 players look anything like town to me. I'm tempted to just slap down a vote on one of them at random. We have 5 days.
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Post Post #797 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2007 1:55 pm

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*will do some quick analysis tomorrow*
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Post Post #798 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2007 3:06 pm

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Atticus wrote:Why the hell would I vote Patrick? He's unkillable.
Well, I was positing that you'd gone mad.
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Post Post #799 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2007 7:01 am

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I will be voting raj at deadline... Fuldu's posts have been helpful, informative, and useful to the town... raj has yet to vote for a player that didn't turn out to be pro-town. I still doubt Fuldu's claim, but in my mind if there's two scum, it's those two, and if there's one, we benefit more from raj's absence. If anything, it will verify that there even IS such a thing in this game as vanilla town.
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