Open 576.1: The Enemy of my Enemy is my...Enemy? (Game Over)

[beastcharizard]

It's not a matter of if I "believe" you or not. The fact is, only one of those two can be scum.

Only 1 of the rest of the game can be scum. What are you even talking about?

[Heartless]

I don't need your sass, Mr. Charizard.

There's only one scum in the game, and therefore only one theory will make sense. It's weird to vote someone and then start negging on someone else.

[2birds1stone]

If you go search through MathDino's ISO for droog, you see they're pretty chummy. There's also this (bolded line mine for emphasis):

This is strong.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: droog

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 3.03:

Riddleton - droog
2birds - Riddleton
droog - Heartless, 2birds

Not Voting - beast, dragon, guille, riabi

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch and 4 to no-lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2014-12-25 23:31:48) or by 9:30 PM on December 25th, 2014.

[droog]

which was a direct response to

would lynch NJAC just to remove a non-contributor who will never be night killed

[droog]

which explains exactly why dino called me njac
did you even read anti?

[Antihero]

i haven't made a post here since tuesday, man

so...no

[droog]

[guille2015]

I slightly FoS birds for the notion of having a report. I find it unlikely, if not unrealistic, that the last WW would investigate since there's no point.

I can actually see it both ways. I can see scum targeting 2bird to create WIFOM if he reveals the investigation which is what town would do. But 2Bird could claim this to generate the above reaction.

For the moment this is WIFOM. I think 2Bird would know that this ploy is very dangerous, if he were to survive for some reason till LyLo, he'd get lynch because of this.

The only reason for Scum to target 2bird like this is either for the giggles or to create WIFOM and suspicion on an half confirmed Player. I wanted to wait for droog to give his mind so as to see if he "expected" or pushed this angle, which he didn't. The ones that pushed it are Dragon and Riddleton.

Riddleton is pushing rather hard on it, but dragon finds suspecions and questions it, but doesn't consider 2birds for scum. Quite a dilemma there. Thoughts on this?

[droog]

it sounds like a non-issue to me
birds is confirmed right?

[guille2015]

I don't think Math will be so blatant in his association.

I feel that Mathdino was setting me up as his buddy if he were Lynched or Killed. Which means that he can systematically fake an association. I wouldn't go entirely off of Math's post to find his buddy.

[guille2015]

it sounds like a non-issue to me
birds is confirmed right?

He could still be the werewolf. But this is unlikely because for that to happened it would require several consecutive risky Gambits that are unlikely to yield a good result. He was also cleared as town for his posting and town-read by many including Mastin and Myself.

So, not confirmed but town.

[Heartless]

which explains exactly why dino called me njac
did you even read anti?

That can be explained by you replacing into the NJAC slot.

I don't think Math will be so blatant in his association.

What's this based on?

[guille2015]

What's this based on?

I Might be biased, but when I read through Math's ISO I thought that He was prepping me up to be his buddy. Like his defense for me and then a bit of suspicion later, while still defending me from fink. Although, I might be giving him too much credit here, but that's how I see it. When I play scum I try to not generate associate tells with my buddies, and I actively try to manufacture associative tells on other players.

[dragonspawn]

I'm leaning between riddle and droog right now. While the remaining scum could be elsewhere my gut is saying one of them.

also we haven't heard from riabi much like today. I would like to hear from him.

[Heartless]

^^^^^^^^
i think THIS is in the blindspot tth

this post is just pinging in so many ways

[droog]

it sounds like a non-issue to me
birds is confirmed right?

He could still be the werewolf. But this is unlikely because for that to happened it would require several consecutive risky Gambits that are unlikely to yield a good result. He was also cleared as town for his posting and town-read by many including Mastin and Myself.

So, not confirmed but town.

yeah i just dont see him as werewolf
the only way that makes sense is if
he lied about having the report after dino died
which would go horribly wrong if his report target failed

[droog]

I don't think Math will be so blatant in his association.

I feel that Mathdino was setting me up as his buddy if he were Lynched or Killed. Which means that he can systematically fake an association. I wouldn't go entirely off of Math's post to find his buddy.

what posts gave you this impression?

meh maybe i was wrong about trawling through dino
it seems like we're all getting different results looking through that

[Riabi]

I'm leaning between riddle and droog right now. While the remaining scum could be elsewhere my gut is saying one of them.

also we haven't heard from riabi much like today. I would like to hear from him.

I'm still here...

I gotta say, I read this post, and I thought to myself, "This post feels really off, but I don't know why." Then I saw this post:

^^^^^^^^
i think THIS is in the blindspot tth

this post is just pinging in so many ways

So, it would appear I'm not the only one.

[Heartless]

^^^^^^^^
i think THIS is in the blindspot tth

this post is just pinging in so many ways

Alright, I'll get to this. Sometime.

[Heartless]

When Egg confronted about his dragon townread, this is what MathDino had to say:

Your posts look pretty townish, but I don't like your stance on dragonspawn. It looks sketchy if dragon is scum. It's like you are calling him town, but trying not to do it blatantly. You said you were going to re-read him though, so if you haven't already just let me know when you do and what comes up.

HEY GUYS. DRAGONSPAWN IS TOWN

. You know, like he was in all of my townpools.

That doesn't feel like the response MathDino would give if Egg was actually spot on.

[Heartless]

which was a direct response to

would lynch NJAC just to remove a non-contributor who will never be night killed

This isn't analogous to the Astinus point I just made. MathDino is categorically stating that you shouldn't be lynched, which scum have a lot of motive to do. Also, GreyICE wasn't directly speaking to MathDino and, therefore, didn't

require

an answer.

[Heartless]

I Might be biased, but when I read through Math's ISO I thought that He was prepping me up to be his buddy. Like his defense for me and then a bit of suspicion later, while still defending me from fink. Although, I might be giving him too much credit here, but that's how I see it. When I play scum I try to not generate associate tells with my buddies, and I actively try to manufacture associative tells on other players.

Nihil sapientiae odiosius acumine nimio.

There are so many things that says droog is scum:

*

Both the Goblin nightkill and the mastin investigation make sense with what we know droog's reads were. You can say what you want about what you think Pine's input was, but there's something to be said for actually

being here

the whole game. I bet the wolf who was already here had the most sway.

*

The associatives between droog and MathDino are there. You don't have to look far to find the chumminess I was talking about earlier: Post 184 and Post 191. The townread on droog is never explained beyond "gut" (Post 350) and MathDino is sure to qualify it as his "weakest" read (Post 354) even though he's adamant about not wanting to lynch the slot (Post 246). It's a non-sequitur and unsupported read in the middle of an otherwise reasoned set of reads, and that sticks out.

*

There's the matter of droog being a naysayer on the Egg wagon but not actually doing anything about it.

*

Overall, droog's ISO isn't anything to write home about. The current reads are in absolute disarray and the resulting vote doesn't make much sense. He presented associatives with our slot, Riddleton's slot, and beastcharizard's slot. Surprisingly, the one with the least support and vaguest outlining, Riddleton's slot, ends up with the vote (Post 746). The stronger cases lie elsewhere, but Riddleton gets the vote because "Sorry bro It's makes sense associatively"?

[droog]

which was a direct response to

would lynch NJAC just to remove a non-contributor who will never be night killed

This isn't analogous to the Astinus point I just made.

MathDino is categorically stating that you shouldn't be lynched, which scum have a lot of motive to do.

Also, GreyICE wasn't directly speaking to MathDino and, therefore, didn't

require

an answer.

i dont disagree with the bolded
i dont know why dino did it -- except to get towncred for 'dont lynch him he's a sub'

but come on you're digging a bit deep
id barely been in when dino said that

which makes more sense
dino hard buddying saying he's not going to lynch his partner after his partner's been in for ~10 short posts
dino responding to grey's vote on njac by saying njac doesnt exist anymore and i have to look very scummy to be worth lynching

[droog]

heck iirc he said he wasnt lynching me
before committing to a read on me