Mod Notes – XnadrojX is V/LA until tuesday.
"No u"
With 13 Alive, It Takes 7 to Lynch.
Day 1 Ends In (expired on 2016-10-26 14:14:38).
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:28 am
by Something_Smart
Transcend wanted examples for my newbtown/newbscum thing. So based on my experience, newbscum tends to be very interesting in their appearance. This can manifest itself in different ways, but what Xnadroj is doing fits none of them.
Here are a few examples of newbscum that I've seen:
Something_Smart in Newbie 1663:
I basically tried to control the game here as much as I could. I set down, based on weak reasons, who I would and wouldn't be willing to lynch, and I experienced a ton of snap read changes without having good progressions.
Dewy in Newbie 1670:
Dewy played up her newb status by asking a lot of questions and also, like me, laid down a lot of reads with long but superficial analysis. Look also at Garrett in this game, who made some awkward posts and then defended himself at the expense of all else.
AlpacaAlpaca in Mini 1792:
Granted, I wasn't in this game. But I followed along and I once again see the trend of putting down a lot of reads and giving a lot of explanation but the explanation isn't very deep and they seem more interested in explaining what they think than in interpreting what people are saying.
What I've described is a standard newbscum situation: they know how to fake reads and how to back them up with evidence, but they're giving too much and not taking in enough. This is very different from what Dongempire described. When Xnadroj posts, he doesn't seem to have any goal in mind besides working out this huge puzzle. Experienced scum might play that way, but specifically among the two archetypes "newbscum" and "newbtown", he fits the "newbtown" one much better.
(I could attempt to describe newbtown, but it's a lot more nebulous and is closely connected with the concept of obvtown, a concept for which a definition would be self-contradictory. However I can still give some of the best examples I've experienced: Ilikebugs in New York 194, JaeReed in Newbie 1706, and Maverick1102 in Micro 615.)
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:36 am
by Infinity 324
^^
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:43 pm
by Transcend
Eh
I don't really care to read previous games
Can you quote examples from Jordan that make him newb town
Alpaca's tunnel doesn't feel right on me, I get it that I owned him but his tunnel on me feels flat and I think he kept the charade going on for a bit too long.
Math and Dunn might be TVT but I put both of them in the third tier because of uncertainty
Jordan had a towny opening but his progression through the game has been meh.
SS is a tonal townread and I had the same reads as him at one point.
I liked Infinity's catch up.
Can you like, explain Gamma and Creature, I don't reallu understand why are they your top townreads and scumreads respectively
The reads are based on one quick read through and gut right now.
For your slot the way you argued with jarjar feels townie. You dont have to be useful to be a townread. You have to be useful to have an influence in the votes.
@Infinity: Whats so odd about them? Which ones exactly?
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:46 pm
by MathBlade
Just got home will catch up after dinner.
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:06 pm
by MathBlade
In post 768, Manuel87 wrote:Okay i have read everything probably doing some isos tomorrow.
For now:
Mathblade: top townread
JarJar, Infinity, Dong: town
Trancend, ironavp, Creature: Null
scumlean: XnadrojX, Something_Smart
scum: Gamma Emerald, Zachstralkita
Off to bed now.
Why? I don't see how this makes sense. It omits people for one thing. It makes me feel like you want to be my buddy rather than genuine reads.
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:08 pm
by MathBlade
VOTE: Manuel87
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:19 pm
by Manuel87
In post 780, Manuel87 wrote:
The reads are based on one quick read through and gut right now.
Feel free to ask me about the reads you dont like.
I started doing Isos still reading you (MathBalde) town.
Might change my mind about Zach. First impression was he had done nothing all game and just posted offtopic stuff. But after reading his Iso he had about 10% useful posts.
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:20 pm
by iraonavp
MathBlade wrote:
In post 768, Manuel87 wrote:Okay i have read everything probably doing some isos tomorrow.
For now:
Mathblade: top townread
JarJar, Infinity, Dong: town
Trancend, ironavp, Creature: Null
scumlean: XnadrojX, Something_Smart
scum: Gamma Emerald, Zachstralkita
Off to bed now.
Why? I don't see how this makes sense. It omits people for one thing. It makes me feel like you want to be my buddy rather than genuine reads.
That's rather unwholesome.
It sounds like you want to fake the town-aligned tell of questioning someone's town-aligned read on you.
In post 780, Manuel87 wrote:
The reads are based on one quick read through and gut right now.
Feel free to ask me about the reads you dont like.
I started doing Isos still reading you (MathBalde) town.
Might change my mind about Zach. First impression was he had done nothing all game and just posted offtopic stuff. But after reading his Iso he had about 10% useful posts.
Yeah, Zachstralia always posts offtopic stuff a lot...
Still, it seems like that's his way of playing the game and there are hidden messages if you understand what they mean. He's not jumping across the place, and is just relaxed pushing his reads.
In post 768, Manuel87 wrote:Okay i have read everything probably doing some isos tomorrow.
For now:
Mathblade: top townread
JarJar, Infinity, Dong: town
Trancend, ironavp, Creature: Null
scumlean: XnadrojX, Something_Smart
scum: Gamma Emerald, Zachstralkita
Off to bed now.
Why? I don't see how this makes sense. It omits people for one thing. It makes me feel like you want to be my buddy rather than genuine reads.
That's rather unwholesome.
It sounds like you want to fake the town-aligned tell of questioning someone's town-aligned read on you.
....That is ridiculous. Furthermore Manuel's response completely ignored the fact Dunnstral is not in the list and didn't ask who was missing. For having read everything omitting a player is pretty key.
Instead of focusing on the main problems (e.g. Manuel omitting players) You instead attack me for prodding Manuel. I was wanting to see if he noticed the mistake. Never did.
@Manuel read on dunn?
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:29 pm
by iraonavp
How is it aligned to forget to add a player on the list?
How is it aligned to have you at the top of the list?
Actually, you are the one who is ridiculous.
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:33 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 768, Manuel87 wrote:Okay i have read everything probably doing some isos tomorrow.
For now:
Mathblade: top townread
JarJar, Infinity, Dong: town
Trancend, ironavp, Creature: Null
scumlean: XnadrojX, Something_Smart
scum: Gamma Emerald, Zachstralkita
It is aligned because it either shows made up reads or a reason to not read them or a minimal impact.
Because no one understands me except a few players when I am town. To see that big a townread at the start when most people consider me crazy I find suspect.
The reads are based on one quick read through and gut right now.
For your slot the way you argued with jarjar feels townie. You dont have to be useful to be a townread. You have to be useful to have an influence in the votes.
@Infinity: Whats so odd about them? Which ones exactly?
Transcend as null, mathblade as top town, and zach as top scum I find odd.
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:00 pm
by Manuel87
In post 791, MathBlade wrote:It is aligned because it either shows made up reads or a reason to not read them or a minimal impact.
Because no one understands me except a few players when I am town. To see that big a townread at the start when most people consider me crazy I find suspect.
Going to bed now will post more tomorrow.
Reading you town doesnt mean i think you arent crazy.
But you feel genuine in your posts and i liked that one v
In post 693, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think Creature can be, but I don't really think he is lynchbait anymore.
So what did you mean by "These 2 can go together"?
Lynchbait means they're an easy target for the lynch. That doesn't preclude them from being scum.
In 377 you used it as an argument in favor of him being town.
LOL Wow...completely scum trying to look like they are interacting with each other. *blinks*
Excuse me while I try to invent a way to wash off the scumminess of this post from my body...Grosssssssss........
a lot because i agree and had a good laugh at the same time.
In post 792, Infinity 324 wrote:
Transcend as null, mathblade as top town, and zach as top scum I find odd.
Funny i started with Maths and Zachs Isos.
So like i said im rethinking my Zach read as the first impression was he did nothing but offtopic spam the whole game but after reading his iso i found some scumhunting and i feel better about him but still have a slight scumlean on him . One reason being the selfvote.
As for Math i just explained.
Transcend was pushed a lot early because of a different game he won as scum. He was talking a lot but nothing struck me as very towny or really scummy thus having the null for now.
In post 768, Manuel87 wrote:Okay i have read everything probably doing some isos tomorrow.
For now:
Mathblade: top townread
JarJar, Infinity, Dong: town
Trancend, ironavp, Creature: Null
scumlean: XnadrojX, Something_Smart
scum: Gamma Emerald, Zachstralkita
Off to bed now.
Why? I don't see how this makes sense. It omits people for one thing. It makes me feel like you want to be my buddy rather than genuine reads.
That's rather unwholesome.
It sounds like you want to fake the town-aligned tell of questioning someone's town-aligned read on you.
....That is ridiculous. Furthermore Manuel's response completely ignored the fact Dunnstral is not in the list and didn't ask who was missing. For having read everything omitting a player is pretty key.
Instead of focusing on the main problems (e.g. Manuel omitting players) You instead attack me for prodding Manuel. I was wanting to see if he noticed the mistake. Never did.
@Manuel read on dunn?
Hang this.
VOTE: MathBlade
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:47 pm
by Transcend
gun to head other scum are creature and jarjardrinks
jordan might be a mislynch, ira's just annpying and i don't remember the other person in my scum pool but obviously if i can't remember who they are then it's not that important