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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:58 pm
by Skelda
Also can you spell my name right please? There's an E not an A. Thanks.
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:01 pm
by Skelda
In post 759, Ramcius wrote: In post 757, Skelda wrote: In post 749, Ramcius wrote: In post 747, Skelda wrote:Isn't Pep like a lame lynch? It seems like a classic MS, "We don't want to make a decision so let's just take it out on the easy person." I mean he could be scum, it isn't impossible especially with how nothing is happening, but if he isn't his lynch basically wastes the day except for getting a less active person gone.
So, we should lynch LUV over Pep cause on your gut feeling instead? You know, if Pep flips red, you going on my susp list for this poor defense
That's not what I was saying. I just think that if Pep does flip Town this lynch is a lot more useless than a lot of other Town lynches. You don't necessarily have to agree with my read on Uzi though.
You being vague on defending Pep just makes me want him flip more and more, name better lynches and why we should lynch one of them? Pep isn't most scummy, simply most people agree on his lynch while other people are more scattered trough lynch lists
From your perspective I probably should be a better lynch tbh, but I'm not scum so I recommend against lynching me. I've named LUV and I didn't just say gut, I don't like how the wagon on them stalled and I kind of have reasons from a couple of their posts even though aren't super great. But that's really all you need at this point.
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:27 pm
by Land of Xanth
In post 762, Tywin Lannister wrote:VOTE: Skalda.
The fact that this guy hasn't been voted at all by anyone makes me believe he's scum.
That's NAI. Other people's actions are not indicative of a different person's alignment.
Not that I'm against a Skelda lynch, but that's just bs shade throwing.
That's more reason to vote someone than "nobody voted this dude hurr de hurr"
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:08 pm
by Tywin Lannister
Skald: Why do you TR Vifam and Sly? They seem to be your top reads, correct? Also, who are your SRs (if any) beyond Uzi? It's fine if they're just gut reads, but I'm curious about your thoughts on the rest of the game. You've mentioned 3-4 players pretty much, but there are a lot more.
As far as why I'm voting you, it's mainly the lack of productive posts combined with the extremely odd reads. Trying isn't AI, but the things that pinged me were the strong TRs for Vifam/Sly, the general lack of 'looking' for scum, and you haven't seemed to try to sort anyone into solid reads. You're coasting in the same way I accused Vifam of doing, and I don't consider that a townie trait.
What it boils down to is the read on Vifam, which sets you apart from players like Harp, fuzzy, or really any of the other inactives (half the game), because Vifam hasn't 'done' anything. He's said next to nothing even game related for that matter. Most of what he's posted has been 'I'm confused' kind of stuff. An ISO would show that pretty clearly, so why did you single out Vifam (and sly to a lessor extent) to TR over practically anyone else? There are some generally active players in the game whom seem pretty town to me, and there are many who are null due to almost no activity, but I certainly don't understand why you chose Vifam over others. The Sly read I can see how the 'so blatantly scummy that he's town' thing could be read that way (although why him over others?), and at least he's active. He's asked/answered questions, poked a few people, etc. Vifam hasn't, so that read alone seems way out of left field. It looks fake. Your other posts also look forced to me, which is obviously just my opinion, so it's not something I'm gonna push.
What's really interesting to me is that when I voted you (the only player in the game to do so), multiple players have called it 'bad' and even said I'm scum for it. I'm one vote, and I haven't asked others to sheep a wagon on you, so why would these random players get so upset? Why should they care, unless they hard TR you, and if so, why?
Would you consider your current play to be pro-town? What do you think of the reactions that were given out by players like LoX and Vifam for me voting you? What do you think of the pep wagon, and if you don't like it (you're not on it), what do you think of those pushing for it?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:10 pm
by Tywin Lannister
In post 777, Land of Xanth wrote: In post 762, Tywin Lannister wrote:VOTE: Skalda.
The fact that this guy hasn't been voted at all by anyone makes me believe he's scum.
That's NAI. Other people's actions are not indicative of a different person's alignment.
Not that I'm against a Skelda lynch, but that's just bs shade throwing.
That's more reason to vote someone than "nobody voted this dude hurr de hurr"
You and vifam's reaction to my single vote on Skald is very interesting. I wonder why you both reacted so strongly to a single vote? Do you TR Skald, and if so, why? What makes you so upset about a single vote on a very inactive player?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:20 pm
by Land of Xanth
Um...We don't TR them...
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:29 pm
by Tywin Lannister
LoX: also, that's not shade throwing. It's a fact. Nobody has voted him before me. Facts are not shade throwing. Also, my opinion of why scum vote, how they vote, and what wagons they join/don't join isn't shade throwing.
If pep flipped town, would you assume there are scum on the wagon, or would it be an all-townie affair? I'm curious as to why you'd ignore how fast a wagon grows, why it grows, and the reasons/lack of any for people joining the wagon. Do you TR everyone on the pep wagon? If not, then do you think scum are bussing on D1? I'm not even against the pep wagon, but I'm gonna demand accountability from those who join any wagon without reasons, and I'm suspicious of anyone who does that in the first place. You're not one of them obviously, but you get my point I'm sure.
Pedit: okay, then why get upset that I voted the guy? You can't say to those not voting 'use your vote, you can change it anytime, etc etc' and then call me scum for using mine on someone you don't TR. That makes no sense, and Skalda (sorry I spelled your name wrong) is talking now, isn't he? Vifam even posted a few things in his defense. So did you two. Interesting how that works. Vifam is a big null to me, but attacking me over voting Skalda looks pretty bad to me. Skalda's TR of Vifam looks bad to me. You two I had as a TR the entire game, but the attack on me voting Skalda looks bad to me.
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:37 pm
by D3f3nd3r
In post 672, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:@Mod
, I noticed in Timeshift Mafia II, InflatablePie was a 2-shot Roleblocker that was not Timeshift modified. He submitted his block on Night 2 (meaning it would resolve on Night 3) and was lynched Day 3, but his roleblock still resolved despite the fact he was dead.
I assume this was not an error? If a player submits an action N1 and that player gets lynched D2, assuming their action was not timeshifted, will their action still succeed N2 (barring interference from other roles) even though the player is now lynched?
This is correct. The same thing happened with Wake88's N1 action to track a player on N2, but he was lynched D2 so it didn't matter.
Vote count is being made.
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:40 pm
by D3f3nd3r
VC 1.10 (1/25/17)
CommKnight [L-9]
Land of Xanth [L-9]
TTTT [L-9]
Ramcius [L-8]
CommKnight
Pepchoninga [L-4]
ssbm_Kyouko, Land of Xanth, Ramcius, PeregrineV, Vifam
SlySly [L-7]
Lil Uzi Vert, James3
Havingfitz [L-8]
TTTT
Vifam [L-9]
Nero Cain [L-8]
Havingfitz
PeregrineV [L-9]
Skelda [L-8]
Tywin Lannister
TheFuzzylogic99 [L-9]
James3 [L-8]
SlySly
Zekromaster [L-9]
ssbm_Kyouko [L-9]
Tywin Lannister [L-9]
Lil Uzi Vert [L-7]
Skelda, Nero Cain
No Lynch [L-9]
Not Voting [3]
Pepchoninga, TheFuzzyLogic99, Zekromaster
Deadline is on 1/30 at 5:30pm EST, in
(expired on 2017-01-30 17:30:00).
With 17 alive, it is nine to lynch.
V/LAs:
PeregrineV will be on V/LA from Friday to Monday.
Your moderator will be on V/LA from tomorrow to Sunday. No guarantees that vote counts will happen, but Radja will be asked to help.
Narna has been replaced by Nero Cain...Nero is getting his Role PM literally now.
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:47 pm
by Nero Cain
yeah, I had waited to post.
I'm not reading two other games to learn about the mechanics here so otherwise I'll just scumhunt like normal.
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:47 pm
by CommKnight
In post 762, Tywin Lannister wrote:VOTE: Skalda.
The fact that this guy hasn't been voted at all by anyone makes me believe he's scum.
[Snipped]
You mean besides when I built something on him and no one else really followed my vote?
Anyway, no one is accepting my Ramcius choice (as much as I'd love to see him and James flip scum in a row). Between Tywin's case, Xanth's reaction and my earlier read on Skelda.
UNVOTE: Ramcius
VOTE: Skelda
@Tywin, may I refer you to
291
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:50 pm
by CommKnight
Speaking of my earlier case on Skelda... may I refer to post
309. I didn't like Xanth's reaction back then either. Tywin is correct. Xanth's lack of attention to Skelda at all really is concerning.
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:45 pm
by Tywin Lannister
@mod: pepto looks to have site flaked. I just noticed in another game that he got replaced for not responding to a prod. Just an FYI.
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:51 pm
by Tywin Lannister
@comm: my bad. I forgot about you making a case on Skald. So I stand corrected about me being the only one to vote there. Still, you are a TR so I don't see any issues with my general statement.
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:53 pm
by D3f3nd3r
In post 787, Tywin Lannister wrote:@mod: pepto looks to have site flaked. I just noticed in another game that he got replaced for not responding to a prod. Just an FYI.
I see posts by him about 30 hours ago in another game. He'll be replaced if he doesn't pick up this prod though.
Also, prodding James3.
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:33 pm
by James3
I've been kind of busy IRL. Could someone summarize briefly why the biggest wagon is on Pep, rather thank SlySly?
Did he claim scum too, or are people just being bad?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:34 pm
by James3
In post 790, James3 wrote:I've been kind of busy IRL. Could someone summarize briefly why the biggest wagon is on Pep, rather than SlySly?
Did he claim scum too, or are people just being bad?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:02 pm
by Skelda
In post 778, Tywin Lannister wrote:Skald: Why do you TR Vifam and Sly? They seem to be your top reads, correct? Also, who are your SRs (if any) beyond Uzi? It's fine if they're just gut reads, but I'm curious about your thoughts on the rest of the game. You've mentioned 3-4 players pretty much, but there are a lot more.
As far as why I'm voting you, it's mainly the lack of productive posts combined with the extremely odd reads. Trying isn't AI, but the things that pinged me were the strong TRs for Vifam/Sly, the general lack of 'looking' for scum, and you haven't seemed to try to sort anyone into solid reads. You're coasting in the same way I accused Vifam of doing, and I don't consider that a townie trait.
What it boils down to is the read on Vifam, which sets you apart from players like Harp, fuzzy, or really any of the other inactives (half the game), because Vifam hasn't 'done' anything. He's said next to nothing even game related for that matter. Most of what he's posted has been 'I'm confused' kind of stuff. An ISO would show that pretty clearly, so why did you single out Vifam (and sly to a lessor extent) to TR over practically anyone else? There are some generally active players in the game whom seem pretty town to me, and there are many who are null due to almost no activity, but I certainly don't understand why you chose Vifam over others. The Sly read I can see how the 'so blatantly scummy that he's town' thing could be read that way (although why him over others?), and at least he's active. He's asked/answered questions, poked a few people, etc. Vifam hasn't, so that read alone seems way out of left field. It looks fake. Your other posts also look forced to me, which is obviously just my opinion, so it's not something I'm gonna push.
What's really interesting to me is that when I voted you (the only player in the game to do so), multiple players have called it 'bad' and even said I'm scum for it. I'm one vote, and I haven't asked others to sheep a wagon on you, so why would these random players get so upset? Why should they care, unless they hard TR you, and if so, why?
Would you consider your current play to be pro-town? What do you think of the reactions that were given out by players like LoX and Vifam for me voting you? What do you think of the pep wagon, and if you don't like it (you're not on it), what do you think of those pushing for it?
That isn't my name so I'm not sure who you're talking to.
But for real I'll answer this tomorrow.
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:02 pm
by Pepchoninga
Ughg, irl problems, kinda unable to get to playing.
Sorry for the constant prodding. Put me on V/LA until the end of the week, I'll be sure to not make it happen again. Will still try and catch up soon.
If you can summarize events and give me something to look at it would be great.
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:42 pm
by Ramcius
In post 776, Skelda wrote: In post 759, Ramcius wrote: In post 757, Skelda wrote: In post 749, Ramcius wrote: In post 747, Skelda wrote:Isn't Pep like a lame lynch? It seems like a classic MS, "We don't want to make a decision so let's just take it out on the easy person." I mean he could be scum, it isn't impossible especially with how nothing is happening, but if he isn't his lynch basically wastes the day except for getting a less active person gone.
So, we should lynch LUV over Pep cause on your gut feeling instead? You know, if Pep flips red, you going on my susp list for this poor defense
That's not what I was saying. I just think that if Pep does flip Town this lynch is a lot more useless than a lot of other Town lynches. You don't necessarily have to agree with my read on Uzi though.
You being vague on defending Pep just makes me want him flip more and more, name better lynches and why we should lynch one of them? Pep isn't most scummy, simply most people agree on his lynch while other people are more scattered trough lynch lists
From your perspective I probably should be a better lynch tbh, but I'm not scum so I recommend against lynching me. I've named LUV and I didn't just say gut, I don't like how the wagon on them stalled and
I kind of have reasons from a couple of their posts even though aren't super great
. But that's really all you need at this point.
You say Pep lynch lame, but you want LUV, cause you kinda have reasons from couple posts? And with you posting stuff like this i want you lynch more and more
VOTE: Skelda
i don't think we will get anything from Pep before game ends, so i'm ok with this for now
Also
LoX, care to answer?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:48 pm
by Land of Xanth
In post 779, Tywin Lannister wrote: In post 777, Land of Xanth wrote: In post 762, Tywin Lannister wrote:VOTE: Skalda.
The fact that this guy hasn't been voted at all by anyone makes me believe he's scum.
That's NAI. Other people's actions are not indicative of a different person's alignment.
Not that I'm against a Skelda lynch, but that's just bs shade throwing.
That's more reason to vote someone than "nobody voted this dude hurr de hurr"
You and vifam's reaction to my single vote on Skald is very interesting. I wonder why you both reacted so strongly to a single vote? Do you TR Skald, and if so, why? What makes you so upset about a single vote on a very inactive player?
If you had actually read my post, you'd have seen that my beef was not your vote, but the bullshit that vote was based on.
As I've said numerous times, idc if Skelda is lynched. That doesn't give people the right to bullshit in order to do so, though.
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:49 pm
by Land of Xanth
Pay attention or shut up and vote park me.
Either way, I don't care.
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:45 pm
by Ramcius
you know, it's not a bad idea, after your wish us all to decide lynch target i find you lacking in efforts to do so, and now you call bs on Tywin, but you let slide other people in tread for doing much worse?
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:58 am
by havingfitz
VOTE: Pepchoinga
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:01 am
by Ramcius
why vote him? He's V/LA pretty much till deadline, your voting pattern is weird, first empty slot, now person that just announced V/LA