Open 719: Stack The Deck! (D4)

[Mathdino]

someone point out a town upside to Town!TW claiming Goon?

wait wtf are you trying to say here

[Wisdom]

someone point out a town upside to Town!TW claiming Goon?

hes at L-1 with intent

[the worst]

I'm still learning your meta too dude. You don't have to read me perfectly but I am surprised to be your target here

Probably should have tried to clear you there. Sorry.

[UglyDuck]

someone point out a town upside to Town!TW claiming Goon?

hes at L-1 with intent

so he claims to be a bad guy? This is like the defn of a game to fake claim early on in. Why would he do that?

[Wisdom]

lul

[Wisdom]

he didnt claim goon, he claimed goon cop. a town PR.

[Mathdino]

btw if anyone was wondering

really the primary version of this setup that isn't townsided is the one where the mafia literally either pick nothing or pick daytalk (assuming they can actually get something out of it)

when i ran this setup it was lost because people were like "oh yeah that makes sense for there to be 4 PRs seems legit"

even with the benefit of WIFOM (MAYBE SCUM MIXED THINGS UP), this setup becomes breakable with too many power roles

so expect goons and not many PRs

[snip]

I stand corrected. I do think it's pretty -EV to select Rolecop just to add another TPR that needs to be rolecopped/killed but that might be because I generally think MS PR play is hilariously obvious.

Scum tends to lose the more they pick I think. Not a 100% rule but it's definitely a trend.

Innocent Child is good when played well.

Also this setup is for some reason sometimes run as 12p and sometimes as 13p. Dunno how much that affects the balance.

BS my friend

you don't need meta knowledge of me to know that i can't be a goon

sure i can be a traitor, but i can't be a goon

[UglyDuck]

someone point out a town upside to Town!TW claiming Goon?

wait wtf are you trying to say here

I am trying to say.. that with all the other options available to him.. why would skum claim to be skum? - or does the term Goon mean something differnt on this forum?

[UglyDuck]

he didnt claim goon, he claimed goon cop. a town PR.

kay yeah then... take everything I said about TW and erase it from memory then. Acting under false assumptions on my part. mb.

[Mathdino]

did uglyduck just dumbtell or scumslip

like i'm fairly sure that if TW flips goon, uglyduck just scumslipped that knowledge

but if TW flips traitor, i think uglyduck is cleared?

[the worst]

Ive never felt WKed before. Nice feel.

[Wisdom]

hes trying to play dumb

[Wisdom]

theres no way you read "i am goon cop" followed by a result and think it says "i am goon"

[UglyDuck]

Lynch the worst --> shoot Espeonage --> lynch UglyDuck --> shoot/lynch MariaR
this wins the game 90% of the time
track/roleblock/cop wisdom or me if there's actually another PR out there

alternatively if you guys wanna be cowards about it
Lynch UglyDuck --> shoot Espeonage --> lynch the worst (after his result) --> shoot/lynch MariaR

This is skum promoting false positives prior to any flips.

[MariaR]

the slot self resolves I don't rly see I need to lynch him even if the claim is eh there's no cc plus if he's really town we get some results given mafia can't really keep him alive

[UglyDuck]

hes trying to play dumb

yeah... I came back for the first time this week to open with playing dumb...

[Mathdino]

i mean people make the "playing dumb" accusation but how often does it actually happen

i don't feel like it's within duck's skumrange tbh

THAT SAID if he's traitor, then he just scumslipped knowing the worst is a goon

[MariaR]

The pool of (Judge/Worst/Wisdom/Math) wins us the game 100% of the time

[Nauci]

scum don't get to choose which of them get which modifications

oh

that should get clarified in the rules

[Wisdom]

THAT SAID if he's traitor, then he just scumslipped knowing the worst is a goon

if hes scum he knows "goon cop" is a role
no way he thinks his buddy claimed goon

[Mathdino]

the slot self resolves I don't rly see I need to lynch him even if the claim is eh there's no cc plus if he's really town we get some results given mafia can't really keep him alive

maria, scum will never kill him

1. He's everyone's top suspect, and his claim was terrible.

2. His results don't mean shit, he'll probably never get a guilty (especially not by checking me/Wisdom) and his innocents mean absolutely nothing.

3. Mafia are going to be looking for the vig since that gives us 4 kills instead of 3. They won't care about Goon Cop.

4. If scum only picked 1 mod, then scum already knew there would be no CC.

[Wisdom]

The pool of (Judge/Worst/Wisdom/Math) wins us the game 100% of the time

how is ugly out of this

[Mathdino]

because maria has sub-random reads, like i said

like consistently. subrandom reads.

anyway nauci townslipped motherfuckers

[Nauci]

Lynch the worst --> shoot Espeonage --> lynch UglyDuck --> shoot/lynch MariaR
this wins the game 90% of the time
track/roleblock/cop wisdom or me if there's actually another PR out there

alternatively if you guys wanna be cowards about it
Lynch UglyDuck --> shoot Espeonage --> lynch the worst (after his result) --> shoot/lynch MariaR

I'm not really understanding your "shoot espeonage" thing

Are you saying he could be scum, or is this like a policy lynch for VT claiming?

[Mathdino]

THAT SAID if he's traitor, then he just scumslipped knowing the worst is a goon

if hes scum he knows "goon cop" is a role
no way he thinks his buddy claimed goon

if he's traitor, why would he know goon cop is a role?

Edit: @Nauci: Policy lynch for VT claiming, having subrandom reads this game, for being suspected by my townreads, and for shooting 2 townies last time this setup ran.