SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[Pine]

actually on the note of lynch-block players, I really don't get Pine being pretty low on rankings. I weakly townread him. Most of his content is NAI and what there is seems to me like a townie who's just chilling waiting for the game to progress.

This guy gets it

[the worst]

Can I not like and like pun at the same time?

This is me and half the playerlist

o/

[the worst]

agree TBG wrt Pine. I'm basically half coasting this phase as well so hard to h8

[Pine]

You're a good duck, tw.

[the worst]

I try my best, great envoy of the Tree Sovereignty. O7

[Pine]

May your nests be warm and dry, ambassador of Duck Nation.

[Punreader]

Pun, I know you scumread me, but I s2g if you shoot me tonight after I reminded you you can shoot... It would be hilarious, true, but also I would hate you.

Actually, that was my plan until just now. I'll have to shoot someone else now.

I get that apparently the thread has something against mechanics, but holy shit you guys, there's one major difference between this and a standard game. How hard is it to keep track of that

one thing

?

This would be one of the reasons that the players using that one mechanic as an excuse to do nothing (namely, PenguinPower and Pine) are pun.

This game is not nearly as different from a normal game of mafia as they are pretending it to be. Their excuses for not generating content due to said mechanic are therefore nothing more than that: just excuses to not be held accountable for content early in the game. This would also be one of the reasons I consider you a punbuddy, since by your own logic, you should recognize that this:

I really don't get Pine being pretty low on rankings. I weakly townread him. Most of his content is NAI and what there is seems to me like a townie who's just chilling waiting for the game to progress.

...Is an invalid reason to townread him. There is no justification for chilling because

the game is already in progress

.

Pretending the game isn't in progress is a pun-oriented narrative because

as you yourself note

, there is only one difference between this game and a normal game. So players in this game should be...treating it as if it were a normal game; the players who thus are stating they aren't doing so are automatically more suspicious.

I trust pun's claim but this play is bad
lean town on pine tentatively

Serious question.
Have you

played

with Pine before?

[Punreader]

Can I not like and like pun at the same time?

Only if in doing so your read on me is a rollercoaster.

[Punreader]

agree TBG wrt Pine. I'm basically half coasting this phase as well so hard to h8

The difference is you're half-coasting but still contributing.

Pine's all coast and no contributing.

[the worst]

Serious question.
Have you played with Pine before?

yes and he's a crafty fucker as both alignments.
at the same time he's ended up with ~the same approach to today that I have and he's very clearly not pushing a malicious agenda. he's optimal for the middle of a reads list imo.

BTW do you think it's likely I've correctly identified who you are?

[the worst]

agree TBG wrt Pine. I'm basically half coasting this phase as well so hard to h8

The difference is you're half-coasting but still contributing.

Pine's all coast and no contributing.

sure fair, he's not a strong townread.

[Punreader]

and he's very clearly not pushing a malicious agenda.

Wrong. Pushing for the votes of me as a zero combined with third party talk/serial killer discussion shows some level of malice. Then, refusing to give stances on players in addition to the zero-vote-push/mechanics-talk shows the agenda.

BTW do you think it's likely I've correctly identified who you are?

If you had then you'd be sheeping me in regards to Pine.

[the worst]

I don't know your track record with reading Pine tbqh

[the worst]

I can comfortably say you'd be lying as little as possible about your role though. if I'm right abt your identity. which gives slight warm fuzzy feelings.

[Pine]

I don't know your track record with reading Pine tbqh

It's frankly terrible.

[MariaR]

Anything to ask me?

[MariaR]

No? Thought not
VOTE: end day
HURRY UP

[Pine]

Sure

VOTE: End day

[Espeonage]

Get ready for regularly scheduled Thursday posting a few hours.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Pun, I know you scumread me, but I s2g if you shoot me tonight after I reminded you you can shoot... It would be hilarious, true, but also I would hate you.

Actually, that was my plan until just now. I'll have to shoot someone else now.

I get that apparently the thread has something against mechanics, but holy shit you guys, there's one major difference between this and a standard game. How hard is it to keep track of that

one thing

?

This would be one of the reasons that the players using that one mechanic as an excuse to do nothing (namely, PenguinPower and Pine) are pun.

This game is not nearly as different from a normal game of mafia as they are pretending it to be. Their excuses for not generating content due to said mechanic are therefore nothing more than that: just excuses to not be held accountable for content early in the game. This would also be one of the reasons I consider you a punbuddy, since by your own logic, you should recognize that this:

I really don't get Pine being pretty low on rankings. I weakly townread him. Most of his content is NAI and what there is seems to me like a townie who's just chilling waiting for the game to progress.

...Is an invalid reason to townread him. There is no justification for chilling because

the game is already in progress

.

Pretending the game isn't in progress is a pun-oriented narrative because

as you yourself note

, there is only one difference between this game and a normal game. So players in this game should be...treating it as if it were a normal game; the players who thus are stating they aren't doing so are automatically more suspicious.

I think you draw a couple of wrong conclusions here. First off, although there's only one mechanical change, that doesn't mean the ramifications of it on the gamestate are simple. It means, among other things, that it's a lot harder to really be engaged in D1 because there aren't traditional wagons/voting. Second off, you assume that I wouldn't give this a pass on a normal D1 anyway. You are correct that by my logic, I think it's AntiTown to not contribute, but I don't think it's necessarily ProScum.

Basically, I don't think Pine's pretending the game's not in progress. I think he's chilling, waiting for more progress before he feels like contributing

[Punreader]

I think you draw a couple of wrong conclusions here. First off, although there's only one mechanical change, that doesn't mean the ramifications of it on the gamestate are simple. It means, among other things, that it's a lot harder to really be engaged in D1 because there aren't traditional wagons/voting.

And yet the moderator is still tracking votes as if there were traditional wagons/voting. If the moderator were not providing that service, this would be more of a valid point, but he

is

.

Additionally, the addition of the rating mechanic actually gives something

better

than traditional wagons/voting.

Players can create rankings lists, should they so choose, which give data points on multiple players rather than just one.

Second off, you assume that I wouldn't give this a pass on a normal D1 anyway. You are correct that by my logic, I think it's AntiTown to not contribute, but I don't think it's necessarily ProScum.

Basically, I don't think Pine's pretending the game's not in progress. I think he's chilling, waiting for more progress before he feels like contributing

The problem with this is that Pine

replaced into

this game. He was not an original player that started with it. As a town replacement, what is your natural inclination? To do nothing?

You replaced into the game. That means that you had to care enough about the game before you were even a player that you wanted to be in it as a player. Because you had that level of investment, because you wanted to be a player in the game, that means once you come into the game, you are going to immediately try to further your wincon.

Pine did not further the town's wincon, in spite of replacing into the game. Where did the energy of being a replacement go? Where did his desire to do something disappear to? If he cared enough about the game before replacing in to offer a replacement, why once he is in the game did he

not

care, or at least is pretending not to care?

It is because he is pun and doing this minimalistic contribution is furthering the pun wincon.

[Pine]

I didn't (and kind of don't) care about the game. I replaced in because it was EP doing the asking, and a bunch of my Foxy brethren were in it.

We're still in the preamble, and I've got my zeroes all planned. What exactly am I supposed to be tryharding here?

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: end day

[PenguinPower]

Additionally, the addition of the rating mechanic actually gives something better than traditional wagons/voting.

Players can create rankings lists, should they so choose, which give data points on multiple players rather than just one.

If rankings lists were compulsory and open I might agree with you. They aren't, so the D1 mechanic is not anywhere close to being better than the traditional wagons/voting.

The fact that the mod is tracking meaningless votes is...meaningless.

[Taly]

If rankings lists were compulsory and open I might agree with you. They aren't, so the D1 mechanic is not anywhere close to being better than the traditional wagons/voting.

The fact that the mod is tracking meaningless votes is...meaningless.

PP

, can you take less time minimizing the progression of this game so far and respond to any of the townreads on

Pun

and suspicion on you?

Because you saying that you're OK with dying as long as you have another claimed-ability die with you makes 0 sense for me to think you're town.

And

Pun's

read on you wasn't specifically meta, I reread and he made a light associative argument with you in 552. I don't know how much water that holds, but you have this trend in your gameplay so far where you disregard an attempt to absolve curiosity and discussion around you.

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You disregard my vote, state votes are meaningless repeatedly, and then vote me when I push you 284

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Your major response to me after that post is 356 where even though I wasn't being very rational, you didn't really give your thoughts on the understood 1v1 between us

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625 you continue to say that Ascetic is usually anti-town, but the alignment of that role varies, and you ignore an opportunity to reread

Pun

because he's meta-reading you, which I've already stated isn't the full case.

I can see your claim and mechanic to be pro-town, but nothing else in your gameplay suggests that to me.

It seems optimal to keep you alive, but if you're wanting to be ranked higher and milk the benefit of your claim, I figured you would be more forthcoming.