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"I said 'whoah, hold up, I've found some things'" isn't an accurate quote

you asked a question of cyrus but I didn't read anything as "we need to stop for a second and figure some things out"

Do you think we need to pause the cyrus wagon?

p-edit: I guess that answers my question

Obviously, it's a paraphrase, not a quote. I didn't want to release the pressure on Cyrus before he'd answered me. Also, my other suspects Drew and LUV had disappeared from the thread the same time I returned in earnest, so I didn't really have anywhere else useful to put my vote.

But nor did I expect anyone to put him in position to get quickhammered (or say they were doing so) before I got my answer.

My meta dive made me sceptical of my own case, but I saw other things that concern me. I'm no longer convinced he's scum, but do want to keep interrogating him.

Ok I can dig that

I still think he's likely scum but I'm interested in why you've changed your mind

But when I said explain, Karnage, I wanted you to explain why you thought putting Cyrus to L-1 was a good town move when you hadn't really taken a position on him prior to that. What made you think he has to die?

In post 777, Karnage wrote:Ok I can dig that

I still think he's likely scum but I'm interested in why you've changed your mind

Yeah, I wrote up a pretty big post explaining it then deleted it as I decided making a case against my own read would reduce my leverage to extract useful answers from Cyrus.

In post 778, The Fonz wrote:But when I said explain, Karnage, I wanted you to explain why you thought putting Cyrus to L-1 was a good town move when you hadn't really taken a position on him prior to that. What made you think he has to die?

Because I think there's a really strong chance he's scum.

I liked what Almost had to say about the "name" stuff and cyrus's posts the last couple of pages looks a lot like scum flailing.

Are we expecting people to ask permission before putting somebody at L-1 now?

Fonz, fonz, you found the thing. The thing that didn't fit. The thing that doesn't make any sense at all if he's town. You found it, you had it, you were holding it. You're still holding it. You know it's still there, and you know it won't ever stop being exactly what you first saw - not town.

It's not the time to indulge your last second butterflies. Yes, I know Cyrus is engaged, and I too wish that all scum were disengaged, useless, lurkaderps that never posted shit. Yes, I know at the relaxing of his wagon, Menalque has quit his promised reread (cue him returning to quote this post and yell that he's been busy and I'm scum for not giving him more time). Yes, I want to string him up by his neck until he's fucking dead as a doornail too. But that's not the point, Fonz. The point is Cyrus. Under the gun he can probably produce a pretty decent essay on why his reads have evolved. And if you gave me a game, and a list of reads I supposedly had at different points, I could produce an essay on how those reads evolved too, especially if I had a reputation as using moon logic. But this isn't English class Fonz, he's not going to get a new role PM if he gives you an A+ essay.

I was fine to let you quiz a scumread and see if you can get info on Roster's alignment that way, I'm not going to stop you from doing your thing and evolving your game, but when you start getting cold feet on a scum lynch we gotta tune back to reality.

In post 780, Karnage wrote:

In post 778, The Fonz wrote:But when I said explain, Karnage, I wanted you to explain why you thought putting Cyrus to L-1 was a good town move when you hadn't really taken a position on him prior to that. What made you think he has to die?

Because I think there's a really strong chance he's scum.

I liked what Almost had to say about the "name" stuff and cyrus's posts the last couple of pages looks a lot like scum flailing.

Are we expecting people to ask permission before putting somebody at L-1 now?

Nope, but I would expect an explanation if you haven't expressed particular suspicion before. You've asked a lot of questions this game but it's unclear to me what you've done with the answers.

I think this whole thing on Cyrus is crazy, because in essence it’s a tone read on someone for whom English clearly isn’t the first language and who makes a lot of typos which make the posts hard to understand.

Don’t blame me when it flips town.

Will you congratulate me when he flips scum?

In post 783, rosterfoster wrote:I think this whole thing on Cyrus is crazy, because in essence it’s a tone read on someone for whom English clearly isn’t the first language and who makes a lot of typos which make the posts hard to understand.

Don’t blame me when it flips town.

I'm basically certain English IS his first. He's from Canada.

In post 767, The Fonz wrote:

In post 766, Gamma Emerald wrote:For the unfamiliar or those who may have forgotten: scum thrive on possible scenarios, while town generally aims to find what is probable. Cyrus spouting "what if" question is firmly in the zone of throwing out possibilities. In addition the questions he asks are rather bad anyway. Like if you were the vig, I don't see you self voting?

He's claimed regular amnesiac.

Eh true but it's a retrospect thing

still think greyICE is scum

think Cyrus is more likely town than scum

In post 787, Menalque wrote:VOTE: karnage

How's that re read going?

it's not yet, I'm playing one game an evening and it's not this one's turn yet

at fonz hey my whole scum read on roster is this fits differently then he acted in my 1st game with me. which he was town, so this makes me think scum however i haven't been able to lay my finger on it yet . at gamma when asked my role i wasn't at l1 yet. then when i seen i could be put to l1 i figerd i calme no cc shows im not lieing.

In post 791, cyrus62 wrote:at fonz hey my whole scum read on roster is this fits differently then he acted in his 1st game with me. which he was town, so this makes me think scum however i haven't been able to lay my finger on it yet . at gamma when asked my role i wasn't at l1 yet. then when i seen i could be put to l1 i figerd i calme no cc shows im not lieing.

fixd

No counter claim? The whole f’n town are amnesiacs

What???

Isn’t that the whole theme? We are all amnesiacs because we’ve forgotten everything?

Excluding scum and 3p of course

No I'm reacting to cyrus' post

Cyrus, if you think Roster is scum, why did you ask him to stop defending you?

In post 797, The Fonz wrote:Cyrus, if you think Roster is scum, why did you ask him to stop defending you?

BINGO

Roster has been trying to keep pressure off Cyrus all game, and using the obvious argument about his play style. Even trying to AtE with me, referring to the one game we all three were in.

Making connections is iffy on D1, but big chance Roster is scum if Cyrus flips scum.

Don’t think Cyrus is scum

I think scum!cyrus is trying to be devious but does it badly and sounds scummy

This just sounds like cyrus being scummy

Like where is the scum motivation? Almost the entire wagon seems to be basing it off surface level reads, which means some people are being disingenuous bc they know that not going any deeper is the best way to get the mislynch through

That’s where the scum is, and that’s why Karnage and greyice are scummy