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Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:21 pm
by the worst
In post 772, Menalque wrote:Incidentally it’s a similar reason why I’ve reconsidered you, or at least out you on the backburner, bc I think I do believe that scum!you probably just lolhammers chem there, assuming my read on him is right
.....this is why you're townreading me now?
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:23 pm
by Menalque
I wouldn’t say I townread you exactly
Idk you’re in the spot where you’re putting out a lot of content and seem engaged and I think that’s more likely to come from town you but my concerns haven’t entirely evaporated
However should chem get hammered and flip town then I think I would probably be townreading you
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:25 pm
by the worst
VOTE: chemist
If this reds, Mena/me is a 1v1 tomorrow until I say otherwise.
If it greens just remember Aaron is town. Aldus is town. Uncrowned and HH are likely town. LAMIST also kinda slightly townish.
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:25 pm
by Menalque
In post 773, the worst wrote:770 is pretty situational stuff and frankly more projection than I'm interested in applying day one. You're bending yourself into a pretzel to townread Chem but I'm finding many of your other reads lacking in nuance. Why?
What is the projection?
And idk what you mean by my reads are lacking in nuance
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:26 pm
by Menalque
If this reds then yeah probably
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:26 pm
by the worst
In post 776, Menalque wrote:I wouldn’t say I townread you exactly
Idk you’re in the spot where you’re putting out a lot of content and seem engaged and I think that’s more likely to come from town you but my concerns haven’t entirely evaporated
However should chem get hammered and flip town then I think I would probably be townreading you
I don't have a grip of who your scumreads are in this world dude
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:26 pm
by Menalque
If it reds then I think the right solution is probably lynch both of us and figure it out from there
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:27 pm
by Menalque
In fact probably just lynch you, me, and uncrowned and that should be GG
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:28 pm
by the worst
lynch you/emps and it should be gg
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:28 pm
by Menalque
In post 780, the worst wrote: In post 776, Menalque wrote:I wouldn’t say I townread you exactly
Idk you’re in the spot where you’re putting out a lot of content and seem engaged and I think that’s more likely to come from town you but my concerns haven’t entirely evaporated
However should chem get hammered and flip town then I think I would probably be townreading you
I don't have a grip of who your scumreads are in this world dude
Yeah that’s bc my SRs have been moving around a lot and my strongest SR talked me out of it
Why is this making you have big concerns?
I don’t think you’ve played with disengaged!me before?
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:28 pm
by Menalque
Why are you trying to avoid being lynched in the case of a red flip?
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:29 pm
by Menalque
And why exactly have you flipped your read on me from nowhere
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:29 pm
by the worst
In post 784, Menalque wrote: In post 780, the worst wrote: In post 776, Menalque wrote:I wouldn’t say I townread you exactly
Idk you’re in the spot where you’re putting out a lot of content and seem engaged and I think that’s more likely to come from town you but my concerns haven’t entirely evaporated
However should chem get hammered and flip town then I think I would probably be townreading you
I don't have a grip of who your scumreads are in this world dude
Yeah that’s bc my SRs have been moving around a lot and my strongest SR talked me out of it
Why is this making you have big concerns?
I don’t think you’ve played with disengaged!me before?
given you're disengaged you're going to extreme lengths to moonlogic town!chemist
that says quite a lot more about your alignment than chemist's unfortunately but this is out of character for your solving style.
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:30 pm
by Menalque
I think you just don’t know how I play mafia as well as you think you do
Or you’re just scum
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:30 pm
by Menalque
Why is it Moon logic?
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:30 pm
by the worst
In post 785, Menalque wrote:
Why are you trying to avoid being lynched in the case of a red flip?
can talk abt this later
because it's a crazy string diagram train of thought that's running off the rails
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:31 pm
by Menalque
In post 766, Menalque wrote:I can’t really explain chem beyond I’ve played with him a bunch since I joined the site and while I don’t think he tends to visibly do much as either alignment I think there are subtle differences in his play and whether he’s actually trying to contribute when he’s around vs just trying to coast and skate by
In post 770, Menalque wrote:Where exactly is the scum motivation for chem to call out his hardest defender (ie me) only to then completely shift on that as soon as I say I think he’s more town bc of it?
Okay, so potentially scum!chem going down anyway managed to set me for the mislynch tomorrow with a bad associative, I can live with that
But even in that scenario scum still has to get another mislynch in 5p and not get caught by 3p
It just doesn’t make sense to me as I think scum odds of winning in micros specifically go way up if they can avoid getting lynched D1 even if that’s not true across all games
What in either of these posts is “moonlogic”?
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:31 pm
by the worst
In post 770, Menalque wrote:Where exactly is the scum motivation for chem to call out his hardest defender (ie me) only to then completely shift on that as soon as I say I think he’s more town bc of it?
Okay, so potentially scum!chem going down anyway managed to set me for the mislynch tomorrow with a bad associative, I can live with that
But even in that scenario scum still has to get another mislynch in 5p and not get caught by 3p
It just doesn’t make sense to me as I think scum odds of winning in micros specifically go way up if they can avoid getting lynched D1 even if that’s not true across all games
this is definitely moonlogic
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:32 pm
by the worst
oh
ok
the pertinent structure of your argument is "chemist is not planning a major endgame scum procedure ergo he must be town", while you're treating all other slots at comparatively surface level
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:32 pm
by Menalque
No it isn’t
Look I can just make assertive statements without explaining them too
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:33 pm
by the worst
it's just a fallacious argument which may be disingenuous, and seems uncharacteristic vs. the rest of your reads. :#
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:33 pm
by the worst
In post 794, Menalque wrote:No it isn’t
Look I can just make assertive statements without explaining them too
YOU CAN TRY
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:34 pm
by Menalque
Well no, that’s not what I’m doing
I have gut vibes or whatever you want to call it that chem is town
Then looking back at his ISO and thinking about it I reached the conclusion that his behaviour doesn’t really make sense coming from scum
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:35 pm
by Menalque
I don’t think there’s anything abnormal about saying that scum lose micros far more if they don’t defend D1 and so you can potentially clear/catch based on who they were defending
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:37 pm
by the worst
how do you feel abt this setup?