You are correct that she did initially; however, you are incorrect in that she changed her stance. If you read her posts 498 and 589, you will see that.
I think her earlier read was accurate after rereading yesterday.
Locktown, strong town, weak town, null, then scumreads.
VOTE: Gobble
Why does this warrant a vote on gobbledygook?
He spent the better part of yesterday on me, pisskop, and RS. Upon this day's start, he gave up on me and pisskop to push you in the name of mastina. My issue with this is twofold:
1. Mastina was clear on her progression of your slot. She had you as a null by end of day (as we have demonstrated), so gobble's stated reasoning for voting you is false. It seems he is not masking a role-related reason for voting you, as he denied targeting you in 768.
2. I recall him being more transparent with his votes in past games, so his lack of transparency in voting me yesterday and you today stuck out. I see no legitimate reason for Gobble to naked vote you without providing reasons for swapping from pisskop or me. My guess is he was trying to get a quick vote out to test the waters on your before people started getting more active.
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:42 am
by EspressoPatronum
In post 775, Churros wrote:I don't want to vote Titus yet though, I'm considering who to vote in [Titus, Momo, Pisskop]
I think it would be best to hear from Eyestott re: his information before voting Titus. We know Titus' flavour now, so hopefully Eyestott can help give that some meaning.
You are correct that she did initially; however, you are incorrect in that she changed her stance. If you read her posts 498 and 589, you will see that.
I think her earlier read was accurate after rereading yesterday.
I’m interested in the EP vote on me.
Then there is more to your vote than “carrying out her wishes” (especially as you are expressly not carrying them out). What did you find on your reread that led to you believing I am Mafia?
Adorable’s contribution to the game and response to mastina’s tunnel on her slot.
mastina’s read and case on Adorable
The voting formation surrounding Adorable and Rabid Schnauzer (and you) and resulting reveal of Rabid Schnauzer.
The tone of Momo’s posts
I can expand on each point as necessary, however I am on mobile currently.
Thanks for this. Good point about #3. I was mostly looking to the later VCs to see if scum was resisting any wagons by maintaining the RS lynch, but the RS wagon as an alternative to a scum!Adorable/momo wagon makes sense.
What do you make of the other VCs? Since I was a potential wagon yesterday, I am interested to see what information I can glean from the counterwagons. Assuming you were me and you were confirmed town, what information could you take from the VCs?
@Titus
- same question to you, as I know you like wagonomics.
What part of recent events made you change your vote onto me?
Was it the conclusion of the Greatest Idea IX game?
@gobble
No, it wasn’t. It was the fact that the game stagnated around RS lynch which seemed to indicate town. When no one moved to you, or anyone else, I think it’s scum indicative the other option is scum.
What part of recent events made you change your vote onto me?
Was it the conclusion of the Greatest Idea IX game?
@gobble
No, it wasn’t. It was the fact that the game stagnated around RS lynch which seemed to indicate town. When no one moved to you, or anyone else, I think it’s scum indicative the other option is scum.
But why did you swap to me? Swapping off of RS due to stagnation explains why you swapped off of him, but not why you chose me.
When you say 'other option,' are you referring to RS or me?
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:15 pm
by gobbledygook
I chose you because there’s still something fishy to me about you. I can’t really get over the weird self meta you did that ended up being wrong lol.
I also didn’t like how you later had a self meta comment directed at me. That felt pockety. Plus Titus was on you so I felt safe sheeping her. Maybe this is what it is like to play against you without knowing your alignment
By other option I am saying as the day drew near the end, your wagon sat at 3 votes for a while and no one joined it. Meanwhile people were joining the RS wagon.
I need to relook at it. My vote is probably not in the right place right now, but until Suji does things he did in Skyrim uPick im comfortable keeping it here and getting others to add it. Suji targeting Mastina with an invention or a fruit seems like a pocket attempt too.
Churros remains my top townread.
Pisskop looks pretty bad too and is a good vote.
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:40 pm
by EspressoPatronum
@Gobble
In post 787, gobbledygook wrote:I chose you because there’s still something fishy to me about you. I can’t really get over the weird self meta you did that ended up being wrong lol.
Fair point here. The self-meta being wrong is weird + I have no better explanation than what I've stated earlier.
I also didn’t like how you later had a self meta comment directed at me. That felt pockety.
Interesting. Given your 'behind the scenes' look at my gameplay via mason chat in MM2 + our TM20 chat, I am curious why this pinged you. Do you think my comment was wrong or misplaced? Can you expand on this, please?
Plus Titus was on you so I felt safe sheeping her. Maybe this is what it is like to play against you without knowing your alignment
Why did you feel safe sheeping Titus.
None
of your gameplay thus far indicates that you felt Titus was trustworthy. Why did you change your mind + find her opinion on me sheep-worthy? For your convenience, I have included a selection of your posts regarding Titus.
Spoiler: You evidently did not trust Titus
In post 411, gobbledygook wrote:I find it very strange that Titus would not want to work with me after TvA and even after I caught up and others raised their opinions about me she still left her vote on me.
Her asking to start a wagon on EP seems like she’s trying to test the waters for an EP vote hop.
I am still having trouble parsing this.
Could you point to my interactions with EP that show I have not been sorting him? Out of all the slots in the game, I would say that I have been trying to sort him the most. We were fantastic mason partners in Mainstream Mafia II and we worked well together in Team Mafia 2020.
In post 335, gobbledygook wrote:Scum Core: Die
- Titus
- Rabid Schnauzer
- Egix96
- EspressoPatronum
This scum core is another reason I don't trust you Gobbles.
Your scumcore is my two scumreads, me, and the one other guy voting EP. Your pool is about distancing from EP but shading those who want him dead.
Your interactions might as well be a neon sign of scum with EP and BP. I don't let people have their cake and eat it too.
In post 442, Titus wrote:But you know I am scumhunting. That's the rub. You may not agree with my methods, but you know I am using them. You know this is how I hunt from T v A as well
You expect too much of me. I have the memory of a goldfish. When it comes to things, I can't really remember anything. People get mad at me for asking a lot of questions, some of the time being redundant or already asked questions, but it is because I have a super terrible memory.
I do not really remember the specifics of your scumhunting.
I do remember your tone though. It is much harsher here.
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In post 552, gobbledygook wrote:I do remember thinking that Titus’s comments on being able to do the Adorable wagon could be scum not wanting to commit to a scum buddy.
By other option I am saying as the day drew near the end, your wagon sat at 3 votes for a while and no one joined it. Meanwhile people were joining the RS wagon.
Who is the "other option" specifically? You said it was scum indicative of the "other wagon" ... did you think it was scum indicative of me that nobody joined my wagon, or scum indicative of RS that nobody joined my wagon?
I need to relook at it. My vote is probably not in the right place right now, but until Suji does things he did in Skyrim uPick im comfortable keeping it here and getting others to add it. Suji targeting Mastina with an invention or a fruit seems like a pocket attempt too.
I still find your naked vote on Suji strange. Why not say these things when I asked you initially?
Churros remains my top townread.
Pisskop looks pretty bad too and is a good vote.
Noted. Thank you.
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If Greatest Idea IX had no bearing on your vote on me, why did you post this shortly after voting me? What was your goal here?
I felt safe sheeping her doesn’t mean i townread her.
I said that specifically because Titus seems bus happy from what I remember of her scum meta and i was hoping she was maybe going for that one you. but admittedly I’ve only played with her in two scum games and one of them was MM where she didn’t do much.
I posted it here in case anyone needed meta on you.
I didn’t say those things because I don’t want to clog the thread and I want people to develop their own gameplay for me to look at
I still SR Titus, and because of mastina kill I might also be looking in [Momo, Pisskop].
I do wonder the chances where this was a fearkill vs mastina was widely town read or another reason though.
First things first. I lied yesterday. I don't have a result. I am just a VT. If that gets me lynched today, so be it. I wasn't about to be flash lynched before the scumreads I thought I had caught.
Now, onto today's scumhunting.
Gobble, my meta is not bus happy at all as scum. I protect my "babies" as scum. Why are you putting forth that idea? Are you prepping for a world where you cannot lynch me but want to discredit my reads?
EP, fair question on the wagonomics. I'll do that when it's not 4 am.
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:47 pm
by gobbledygook
I just remember the cult mini game where I pushed GI as scum all day 1 and then the first thing you did Day 2 was vote him immediately.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:05 am
by alimdia
I will catch up tomorrow friends
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:09 am
by momo
In post 790, Titus wrote:I am just a VT. If that gets me lynched today, so be it.
For Titus to claim a role, then say she is lying and that she is a VT in a role madness game when she realizes her lie can be proven false is possibly the most suspicious thing possible.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:20 am
by gobbledygook
Titus, what result did you imply you would have today?
For Titus to claim a role, then say she is lying and that she is a VT in a role madness game when she realizes her lie can be proven false is possibly the most suspicious thing possible.
You said that she was obvtown in your first post. Why is this the conclusion that you jump to?
I have the memory of a goldfish. When it comes to things, I can't really remember anything. People get mad at me for asking a lot of questions, some of the time being redundant or already asked questions, but it is because I have a super terrible memory. 