Animals Upick [Game Over]

[PenguinPower]

[Conspire]

~Cosmic

[HoldenGolden]

Why are we in a cycle of putting people to L-1 then backing off when they fakeclaim

Let's break the cycle and escape fate Mr. Emperor Crimson

What do you make of the BS wagon and the reasons coming up to vote for him?

[Blatant Scum]

@Cosmic Penguins: I kinda get townvibes from Bla. The way he was taking things very seriously/at face value and informed everyone that we shouldn't state type of animal while everyone was RVSing around him was maybe townie.

Alrighty, then. Can't break anything with pressuring people.
VOTE: Blatant Scum

That said, why self-vote here, Bla? What's to be gained?

~Cosmic

Reverse psychology.

[Conspire]

Are you saying you did it to try and make us think you're town?

~Cosmic

[Blatant Scum]

Blatant Scum is one of the

Old Greats

. He would single-handedly carry town in heavily scumsided setups back in the day. Those days, scum were garbage, so most games started in LyLo with 4 scum, 5 town setups being the norm.

Without Bla on your team, winrates were fair at 50/50. With him as town, it was 90/10 in town's favour.

~Cosmic

Actually, I should be able to win 2 scum, 3 town in 75% of cases as town.

[Blatant Scum]

Are you saying you did it to try and make us think you're town?

~Cosmic

Or to make you think that I am scum. You will never know.

[HoldenGolden]

Are you saying you did it to try and make us think you're town?

~Cosmic

Or to make you think that I am scum. You will never know.

Is this reverse reverse psychology or just psychology?

I'm not so hot on the brain stuff.

[farside22]

Ill just play in my own little world.
VOTE: dunnstral

*adds birds to scum list*

Nice, I am on the exclusive list.

Wait why is dunny scum for not being that active? Dunny lurks all the time.

~fire

I don't know his playstyle. I don't know the majority of the players here.
@ holden: i think your comparing clover to calvin is 2 separate things. Clover said he was joking about mass claiming when he was called out for the discrepancy when he switch to mass claiming is bad.
I dont believe it was a joke and i dont understand why your defending him and not letting him defend his own actions.
Simply put why was he joking about mass claiming when no one was talking about it and then why did je take it seriously after?

[Conspire]

Are you saying you did it to try and make us think you're town?

~Cosmic

Or to make you think that I am scum. You will never know.

Well, I had a theory you were starting a wagon on yourself to get reads/reactions, but if you claim you're just doing it because you want to create WIFOM as town, I might have to

Rethink

some stuff, Bla.

~Cosmic

[April Ludgate]

@Cosmic Penguins: I kinda get townvibes from Bla. The way he was taking things very seriously/at face value and informed everyone that we shouldn't state type of animal while everyone was RVSing around him was maybe townie.

Alrighty, then. Can't break anything with pressuring people.
VOTE: Blatant Scum

That said, why self-vote here, Bla? What's to be gained?

~Cosmic

I was kind of feeling the same thing, but there’s been a few things, such as the self vote, that I can see him doing as scum specifically to look townie, which will split the general consensus *salutes General Consensus* when regarding his slot.

I’m kind of indifferent. I don’t have anyone better to vote at the moment, so I’m kind of in a holding pattern until someone else jumps out at me.

[HoldenGolden]

@ holden: i think your comparing clover to calvin is 2 separate things. Clover said he was joking about mass claiming when he was called out for the discrepancy when he switch to mass claiming is bad.
I dont believe it was a joke and i dont understand why your defending him and not letting him defend his own actions.
Simply put why was he joking about mass claiming when no one was talking about it and then why did je take it seriously after?

My comparison between them for you specifically (and by extension me asking Votato a similar question) has more to it than simply the contents of the question. I'll explain more once votato answers.

As for the clover's joking statement, I was calling it as I saw it at the time. Had I knew there was more to it in your POV than "this doesn't seem like a joke" then maybe it would of gotten a different response. Maybe, I'm quite impulsive.

What do you make of Clover's cluelessness in his latest posts?

[farside22]

I'm a bit baffled that people have townreads when I'm pretty sure a lot of this was just pure good-hearted nonsense. But hey, maybe I'm more strict in how I give out my townreads

The mod said mass claim day 1 would never work. But we don't know unless we try guys! VOTE: Votato

And what's the reasoning behind claiming that information?

In one post you suggest massclaim, in other you are reluctant to even a partial claim.

The first post was a joke during the time I feel like a lot of the playerlist was messing around. In my experience wolves are more likely to miss things like this than town. Unless my joke wasn't obvious than someone do let me know. VOTE: Blatant scum

Well he did clear it up, which apparently i missed in all this.
It look like his confusion is where he got more serious. That definitely negates my prospective about it.

[votato]

Quick question: should other TPs CC votato?

What role would possibly cc his role

exactly. the reason a massclaim is bad is that town really gains quite little. Scum on the other hand get a lot of info about who to target.

UNVOTE:

does blatant always sound this way? I don't really know what to make of his posts, but i dont see any way they help town.

pedit: ready for day 2? day 1 has hardly started...

Then I'll ask you the question I asked Farside, what do you make of Calvin's focus on mass claiming? Is it innocent fun, scum driven, or etc.?

Hmm... not sure. My instinct is to say that mass-claiming is scum-driven. That said, suggesting it is probably NAI, since a) i've seen someone suggest it in pretty much every game ive been in so far and b) i guess proposing it to gauge reactions is useful from a pro-town perspective. It might be scum driven since calvin actually seems intent on having people claim, rather than just proposing it for reactions. why don't we ask calvin for their motivations?

fine. I'm a town night 1-3 combined janitor-doctor watcher.

What does this

Mean

??

VOTE: blatant scum

ok. if you cant/wont help, why keep you around?

Justification here is

Dodgy

. Are you voting him because you think he's useless or because he's scum?

~Cosmic

uh not exactly sure. From what I gather on the wiki, the janitor would be a scum role. From that plus my role PM I guess my role has something to do with being anti-janitor? I'm not exactly sure how it would work. sorry. i think the watcher ability only activates if im successful, if that helps.

i think being useless is probably correlated with being scum. You all seem to know BS much better than I, and if hes a really good player, then theres probably a method somewhere in the apparent madness. I guess this sort of confusion is why I want to wait before jumping to any conclusions about anyone. ironically, this uncertainty makes me a bit useless, so i guess im confirmed scum.

[Blatant Scum]

You get a PM and don't ask question to mod if you don't understand your role?

[PenguinPower]

uh not exactly sure. From what I gather on the wiki, the janitor would be a scum role. From that plus my role PM I guess my role has something to do with being anti-janitor? I'm not exactly sure how it would work. sorry. i think the watcher ability only activates if im successful, if that helps.

i think being useless is probably correlated with being scum. You all seem to know BS much better than I, and if hes a really good player, then theres probably a method somewhere in the apparent madness. I guess this sort of confusion is why I want to wait before jumping to any conclusions about anyone. ironically, this uncertainty makes me a bit useless, so i guess im confirmed scum.

I don't really like any of this. Pretty sure your Role PM would not leave you "guessing" so much.

[Blatant Scum]

You have a homework, potato. Make either the moderator or your scum PT clarify you your role.

[PenguinPower]

[Blatant Scum]

Also, before you do it: some moderators don't like if you copy past part of your PM to the thread. Don't do it.

@mod

can we copy past part of our PMs?

[PenguinPower]

uh...

[PenguinPower]

I mean - that's a site rule. Not a moderator-specific rule.

[Blatant Scum]

Was it always site rule?

[PenguinPower]

For longer than I've been here.

[April Ludgate]

Just need to paraphrase, nobody cares for a copy/paste anyways.

[Blatant Scum]

Tarnation. So my library of fake role cards was created in vain.